Where are all the league-adjusted stats?

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Where are all the league-adjusted stats? 

Post#1 » by wigglestrue » Mon Mar 3, 2014 3:11 am

For a long time now, baseball nerds have relied on stats like ERA+ and OPS+, and now WAR. Where are , or better yet what are the basketball equivalents? Basketball-reference.com only has, e.g., the all-time league leaders for Defensive and Offensive Ratings...the raw kind. We should have long had league-adjusted versions of those, right? How about league-adjusted...shooting percentages, rebounds, assists? I'm not wrong to think that advanced stats for basketball have only been adjusted for pace? Or, mostly only? What if any adjust for leagues now? I'm dying to know.
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Re: Where are all the league-adjusted stats? 

Post#2 » by colts18 » Tue Mar 4, 2014 8:15 pm

PER and Win Share (Win share/48 minutes) are league adjusted.
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Re: Where are all the league-adjusted stats? 

Post#3 » by wigglestrue » Tue Mar 4, 2014 10:06 pm

colts18 wrote:PER and Win Share (Win share/48 minutes) are league adjusted.


Didn't realize Win Shares were...how so?
I knew about PER...I just despise PER, lol.
Still curious, though: How is PER league-adjusted?
How fine is the adjustment?
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Re: Where are all the league-adjusted stats? 

Post#4 » by wigglestrue » Tue Mar 4, 2014 10:12 pm

Or do I mean era-standardized? Or both? Or are they the same thing?
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Re: Where are all the league-adjusted stats? 

Post#5 » by Colbinii » Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:24 am

wigglestrue wrote:
colts18 wrote:PER and Win Share (Win share/48 minutes) are league adjusted.


Didn't realize Win Shares were...how so?
I knew about PER...I just despise PER, lol.
Still curious, though: How is PER league-adjusted?
How fine is the adjustment?


PER is league-adjusted because 15 is average.
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Re: Where are all the league-adjusted stats? 

Post#6 » by wigglestrue » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:51 pm

Colbinii wrote:
wigglestrue wrote:
colts18 wrote:PER and Win Share (Win share/48 minutes) are league adjusted.


Didn't realize Win Shares were...how so?
I knew about PER...I just despise PER, lol.
Still curious, though: How is PER league-adjusted?
How fine is the adjustment?


PER is league-adjusted because 15 is average.


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Look, I know PER is league-adjusted. PER is also a pile of manure as a measure of overall basketball excellence, compared to what OPS+ is for batting excellence or WAR is for overall baseball excellence. PER is ****ing AWFUL in that context. How well does PER correlate to winning? How well do other hoops metrics correlate to winning? Which ones correlate as well as OPS+ or even raw OPS does to winning baseball games? I'm assuming all you beautiful basketball nerds are obsessed with that coefficient stuff, right? And so, out of those, the ones which aren't half-assed crap like PER, which are league-adjusted? Ooh, and pace-adjusted. Both. All-around measures, measures for only offense, or only defense, or even only passing, rebounding, shooting. We don't know what the league-adjusted FG% would be for the 50's and 60's. People look at Russell's raw FG% and don't realize what the equivalent would be if he finished 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th in the league in the 90's or 00's. Baseballreference had a one-click way to adjust a pitching-dominated season in the 60's into its equivalent during a juiced-season, or better yet an all-time-average season. That's also what I mean by league-adjusted.
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Re: Where are all the league-adjusted stats? 

Post#7 » by wigglestrue » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:30 pm

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