How to determine rebound rate for pre-1969 players.

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Re: How to determine rebound rate for pre-1969 players. 

Post#16 » by Rod700 » Wed Sep 5, 2012 6:56 pm

Would anyone mind using the method of the OP to fill in the rebound rate for Wilt? See link below. Drtg and Ortg would be great too, if anyone is able. I just don't have the time to do it myself and was wondering if anyone else had done it or is thinking about doing it. Thank you sincerely for posting if you do. :D

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Re: How to determine rebound rate for pre-1969 players. 

Post#17 » by fpliii » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:18 pm

Great work, OP. Two questions:

1) What are you guys doing to account for players who played for multiple teams in a given season, for whom complete numbers are not available for each team on which they played? Ex:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MLH/1955.html

2) What about calculations for the playoffs? I'm considering calculating a weighted average (for the teams faced in the postseason) of opposition TRB in my spreadsheets to replace league average, which seems fine.
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Re: How to determine rebound rate for pre-1969 players. 

Post#18 » by fpliii » Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:08 pm

I put together spreadsheets with the calculations for each team in the regular season and playoffs from 54-55 through 69-70. As a bonus, I filled out the assist numbers from 54-55 through 63-64 (regular season only, B-R already has playoff numbers) since those were also missing. Here are the links:

Regular Seasons: http://www2.zippyshare.com/v/2729139/file.html

Playoffs: http://www2.zippyshare.com/v/41530911/file.html

For a few of the earlier regular seasons, certain players have missing lines (I presume this is due entirely to trades). For those team seasons, I've used the team rebounds (times 0.878 through 67-68), team FGA, from the B-R totals. For team minutes, I just calculated 5*(nGames*48+nOT*5), going through the gamelogs.

In case anybody is interested, here are the top 10s for missing years:

Season AST% (54-55 through 63-64):

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1955:

McGuire(NYK) 39.95
Davies(ROC) 36.73
Cousy(BOS) 36.20
Phillip(FTW) 35.90
Seymour(SYR) 29.57
King(SYR) 28.93
Martin(MNL) 25.86
George(PHW) 25.54
McMahon(ROC) 24.65
Harrison(MLH) 21.95

1956:

Cousy(BOS) 36.72
McGuire(NYK) 34.60
Phillip(FTW) 32.02
King(SYR) 20.09
Gola(PHW) 26.22
Seymour(SYR) 26.13
Noble(FTW) 25.32
Stokes(ROC) 25.28
George(PHW) 25.26
Martin(MNL) 25.16

1957:

Cousy(BOS) 33.39
McMahon(STL) 24.92
George(PHW) 21.89
Stokes(ROC) 21.14
Braun(NYK) 19.00
Martin(STL) 18.68
Mencel(MNL) 17.70
Regan(ROC) 17.56
Beck(PHW) 17.28
Costello(PHW) 17.08

1958:

Cousy(BOS) 31.18
McGuire(DET) 27.98
Stokes(CIN) 25.42
Braun(NYK) 24.15
Gola(PHW) 23.34
Devlin(MNL) 21.27
McMahon(STL) 21.09
King(CIN) 20.91
Guerin(NYK) 19.56
Wilfong(STL) 18.22

1959:

Cousy(BOS) 32.38
McGuire(DET) 31.03
Braun(NYK) 26.34
Rodgers(PHW) 24.38
Guerin(NYK) 21.90
Hundley(MNL) 19.22
Costello(PHW) 19.08
McMahon(STL) 18.59
Martin(STL) 18.37
McCarthy(CIN) 18.24

1960:

Cousy(BOS) 33.63
McGuire(DET) 32.77
Guerin(NYK) 29.96
Martin(STL) 25.51
Noble(DET) 23.46
Braun(NYK) 23.32
Rodgers(PHW) 23.09
Costello(SYR) 23.02
Hundley(MNL) 21.90
McCarthy(STL) 19.20

1961:

Robertson(CIN) 32.37
Cousy(BOS) 31.19
Rodgers(PHW) 27.36
Costello(SYR) 24.73
Guerin(NYK) 23.97
Shue(DET) 21.87
Noble(DET) 21.79
Hundley(LAL) 21.56
McCarthy(STL) 20.24
Hagan(STL) 20.03

1962:

Cousy(BOS) 35.36
Robertson(CIN) 34.62
Rodgers(PHW) 26.78
Costello(SYR) 24.38
Hundley(LAL) 24.35
Leonard(CHP) 21.13
Shue(DET) 20.63
West(LAL) 19.87
Jones,K(BOS) 19.49
Hagan(STL) 19.15

1963:

Cousy(BOS) 33.72
Rodgers(SFW) 30.14
Robertson(CIN) 30.06
West(LAL) 21.92
Green(CHZ) 21.21
Wilkens(STL) 19.93
Costello(SYR) 19.75
Guerin(NYK) 19.16
Hagan(STL) 19.14
Vaughn(STL) 19.13

1964:

Robertson(CIN) 35.95
Rodgers(SFW) 26.28
West(LAL) 23.34
Guerin(TOT) 22.15
Neumann(SYR) 20.53
Egan(TOT) 20.46
Jones,K(BOS) 20.43
Wilkens(STL) 19.41
Chamberlain(SFW) 18.72
Greer(PHI) 17.98


Season TRB% (54-55 through 69-70):

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1955:

Share(MLH) 20.67
Felix(NYK) 19.20
Pettit(MLH) 19.04
Gallatin(NYK) 18.55
Johnston(PHW) 17.88
Schayes(SYR) 17.22
Risen(ROC) 16.89
Lovellette(MNL) 16.73
Kerr(SYR) 15.20
Foust(FTW) 14.82

1956:

Stokes(ROC) 20.31
Lovellette(MNL) 18.46
Pettit(STL) 18.44
Share(STL) 17.35
Felix(NYK) 16.78
Loscutoff(BOS) 16.78
Schayes(SYR) 16.36
Foust(FTW) 15.82
Johnston(PHW) 15.33
Risen(BOS) 14.78

1957:

Russell(BOS) 21.92
Stokes(ROC) 20.41
Pettit(STL) 18.51
Dukes(MNL) 18.11
Share(STL) 17.06
Foust(FTW) 16.59
Kerr(SYR) 16.36
Gallatin(NYK) 16.21
Lovellette(MNL) 15.92
Felix(NYK) 15.72

1958:

Russell(BOS) 21.32
Pettit(STL) 18.27
Stokes(CIN) 18.12
Dukes(DET) 17.08
Felix(NYK) 16.55
Kerr(SYR) 15.94
Foust(MNL) 15.68
Share(STL) 15.60
Gallatin(DET) 14.71
Schayes(SYR) 13.82

1959:

Russell(BOS) 19.05
Dukes(DET) 16.81
Pettit(STL) 16.57
Share(STL) 15.45
Embry(CIN) 15.44
Lovellette(STL) 15.24
Kerr(SYR) 15.14
Baylor(MNL) 14.87
Felix(NYK) 14.59
Schayes(SYR) 14.59

1960:

Chamberlain(PHW) 20.28
Russell(BOS) 19.01
Pettit(STL) 17.82
Embry(CIN) 16.93
Dukes(DET) 16.31
Lovellette(STL) 15.61
Sears(NYK) 15.37
Naulls(NYK) 15.08
Baylor(MNL) 14.87
Kerr(SYR) 14.63

1961:

Dukes(DET) 21.71
Chamberlain(PHW) 20.68
Pettit(STL) 18.65
Russell(BOS) 18.64
Green(NYK) 18.49
Baylor(LAL) 17.35
Embry(CIN) 15.12
Naulls(NYK) 13.96
Kerr(SYR) 13.48
Felix(LAL) 13.41

1962:

Chamberlain(PHW) 19.96
Russell(BOS) 18.92
Bellamy(CHP) 17.71
Pettit(STL) 17.46
Dukes(DET) 16.60
Baylor(LAL) 16.46
Scott(DET) 16.25
Kerr(SYR) 16.03
Green(NYK) 15.17
Tyra(CHP) 15.00

1963:

Chamberlain(SFW) 20.58
Russell(BOS) 19.93
Bellamy(CHZ) 17.36
Kerr(SYR) 16.70
Pettit(STL) 16.61
Green(NYK) 16.50
Hardnett(CHZ) 15.93
Embry(CIN) 15.10
Beaty(STL) 14.94
Baylor(LAL) 14.35

1964:

Russell(BOS) 20.85
Chamberlain(SFW) 19.84
Lucas(CIN) 17.27
Thurmond(SFW) 16.45
Bellamy(BAL) 16.35
Pettit(STL) 16.26
Green(NYK) 15.87
Scott(DET) 15.41
Bridges(STL) 15.28
Johnson(BAL) 15.24

1965:

Russell(BOS) 20.51
Chamberlain(TOT) 20.25
Lucas(CIN) 18.97
Thurmond(SFW) 17.14
Reed(NYK) 16.43
Jackson(PHI) 15.55
Bridges(STL) 15.35
Pettit(STL) 15.05
Bellamy(BAL) 14.82
Wiley(LAL) 14.62

1966:

Russell(BOS) 20.57
Chamberlain(PHI) 20.42
Lucas(CIN) 19.31
Thurmond(SFW) 17.34
Bellamy(TOT) 15.87
Green(BAL) 15.79
Bridges(STL) 15.06
Beaty(STL) 14.99
Strawder(DET) 14.86
Reed(NYK) 14.85

1967:

Chamberlain(PHI) 21.28
Russell(BOS) 20.74
Thurmond(SFW) 18.81
Lucas(CIN) 18.19
Reed(NYK) 17.16
Bridges(STL) 16.80
Imhoff(LAL) 16.04
Bellamy(NYK) 15.08
Strawder(DET) 14.80
Baylor(LAL) 13.43

1968:

Chamberlain(PHI) 20.11
Russell(BOS) 19.78
Thurmond(SFW) 19.46
Lucas(CIN) 18.86
Counts(LAL) 17.17
Imhoff(LAL) 16.97
Reed(NYK) 16.35
Lee(SFW) 16.31
Silas(STL) 15.70
Bellamy(NYK) 15.64

1969:

Chamberlain(LAL) 20.35
Unseld(BAL) 20.07
Lucas(CIN) 19.52
Russell(BOS) 18.59
Thurmond(SFW) 17.70
Silas(ATL) 17.42
Reed(NYK) 17.31
Bridges(ATL) 16.74
Lee(SFW) 16.24
Boerwinkle(CHI) 16.22

1970:

Boerwinkle(CHI) 19.86
Unseld(BAL) 18.25
Moore(DET) 17.92
Reed(NYK) 17.43
Thurmond(SFW) 17.21
Green(CIN) 17.14
Lucas(SFW) 17.06
Bridges(ATL) 16.98
Abdul-Aziz(MIL) 16.75
Johnson(BAL) 16.03


Playoffs TRB% (54-55 through 69-70):

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1955:

Schayes(SYR) 18.20
Mikkelsen(MNL) 17.05
Brannum(BOS) 16.67
Foust(FTW) 16.19
Kerr(SYR) 15.24
Lovellette(MNL) 14.84
Meineke(FTW) 14.84
Houbregs(FTW) 14.58
Pllard(MNL) 13.86
Yardley(FTW) 11.81

1956:

Foust(FTW) 19.85
Yardley(FTW) 15.46
Share(STL) 15.35
Johnston(PHW) 15.28
Schayes(SYR) 15.07
Pettit(STL) 14.89
Houbregs(FTW) 13.95
Kerr(SYR) 13.43
Graboski(PHW) 12.74
Gola(PHW) 11.90

1957:

Russell(BOS) 22.58
Dukes(MNL) 17.87
Kerr(SYR) 17.81
Schayes(SYR) 17.50
Pettit(STL) 16.71
Share(STL) 16.04
Hagan(STL) 15.02
Risen(BOS) 14.44
Loscutoff(BOS) 12.13
Coleman(STL) 12.03

1958:

Russell(BOS) 22.00
Pettit(STL) 16.52
Gallatin(DET) 15.02
Johnston(PHW) 14.00
Share(STL) 13.41
Dukes(DET) 13.25
Risen(BOS) 13.04
Graboski(PHW) 12.48
Heinsohn(BOS) 12.05
Sauldsberry(PHW) 11.51

1959:

Russell(BOS) 20.62
Conley(BOS) 16.02
Ellis(MNL) 14.77
Krebs(MNL) 14.64
Foust(MNL) 13.63
Kerr(SYR) 13.44
Schayes(SYR) 12.95
Hopkins(SYR) 11.48
Baylor(MNL) 11.36
Jones,S(BOS) 11.00

1960:

Russell(BOS) 20.14
Chamberlain(PHW) 19.74
Pettit(STL) 16.06
Lovellette(STL) 14.84
Conley(BOS) 14.79
Foust(STL) 13.89
Baylor(MNL) 13.22
Krebs(MNL 12.71
Hagan(STL) 10.62
Heinsohn(BOS) 10.21

1961:

Russell(BOS) 22.25
Chamberlain(PHW) 18.24
Halbrook(SYR) 17.84
Kerr(SYR) 17.43
Ferry(DET) 15.08
Pettit(STL) 14.99
Sanders(BOS) 13.37
Dukes(DET) 12.89
Cable(SYR) 12.19
Howell(DET) 11.94

1962:

Chamberlain(PHW) 21.78
Russell(BOS) 19.67
Baylor(LAL) 16.82
Dukes(DET) 16.40
Kerr(SYR) 15.79
Scott(DET) 14.95
Hawkins(LAL) 13.57
Krebs(LAL) 13.02
Shaffer(SYR) 12.04
LaRusso(LAL) 10.69

1963:

Russell(BOS) 19.95
Bridges(STL) 17.78
Embry(CIN) 17.28
Kerr(SYR) 17.19
Wiley(LAL) 15.54
Pettit(STL) 15.12
Reed(CIN) 14.16
Baylor(LAL) 14.03
Hawkins(CIN) 12.90
Ellis(LAL) 12.54

1964:

Russell(BOS) 23.60
Chamberlain(SFW) 21.39
Pettit(STL) 16.54
Bridges(STL) 16.44
Kerr(PHI) 15.52
Thurmond(SFW) 14.27
Embry(CIN) 14.05
Hawkins(CIN) 14.01
Lucas(CIN) 13.89
Baylor(LAL) 19.57

1965:

Chamberlain(PHI) 24.32
Russell(BOS) 19.96
Lucas(CIN) 18.58
Wiley(LAL) 17.72
Bellamy(BAL) 14.79
Beaty(STL) 14.49
Ellis(LAL) 13.96
Howell(BAL) 12.54
Johnson(BAL) 12.31
Hightower(BAL) 12.16

1966:

Chamberlain(PHI) 24.45
Russell(BOS) 22.02
Lucas(CIN) 18.89
Bridges(STL) 16.44
Baylor(LAL) 14.66
Beaty(STL) 14.55
Imhoff(LAL) 14.53
Ellis(LAL) 13.61
Boozer(LAL) 12.05
Nelson(BOS) 11.27

1967:

Chamberlain(PHI) 23.49
Russell(BOS) 22.17
Bridges(STL) 19.10
Thurmond(SFW) 17.92
Lucas(CIN) 17.31
Bellamy(NYK) 16.25
Dierking(CIN) 14.16
Jackson(PHI) 12.51
Howell(BOS) 11.96
Beaty(STL) 11.67

1968:

Chamberlain(PHI) 21.29
Russell(BOS) 20.56
Counts(LAL) 19.08
Bridges(STL) 16.30
Imhoff(LAL) 16.26
Washington(CHI) 16.18
Beaty(STL) 15.49
Bellamy(NYK) 15.22
Baylor(LAL) 15.11
Lee(SFW) 14.87

1969:

Chamberlain(LAL) 22.39
Unseld(BAL) 19.78
Russell(BOS) 19.04
Imhoff(PHI) 18.54
Kimball(SDR) 18.05
Bridges(ATL) 17.40
Thurmond(SFW) 16.42
DeBusschere(NYK) 15.49
Silas(ATL) 15.41
Reed(NYK) 14.41

1970:

Unseld(BAL) 27.02
Chamberlain(LAL) 21.93
Abdul-Jabbar(MIL) 18.97
Boerwinkle(CHI) 17.66
Bridges(ATL) 17.50
Bellamy(ATL) 16.47
Counts(LAL) 16.32
Reed(NYK) 15.49
Silas(PHO) 15.33
Fox(PHO) 14.53


There very well may be errors (some data was entered manually, and I may have missed some years when a player was traded mid-season for the leaderboards), so let me know if you find any.

Enjoy! :D

EDIT: Fixed the links. I think the team labels are incorrect for a few of the later seasons, I'll fix them when I have a chance.
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