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Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV

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Re: Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV 

Post#1231 » by popper » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:04 am

montestewart wrote:^
Yeah, it wasn't like there was a shortage of game and arable land in New Orleans, and definitely no shortage of guns, and as the picture below shows, the streets were filled with fish. People are so lame.

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Great picture monte and humorous as well but I guess you missed the point (or maybe not). In retrospect, perhaps you are right, there is nothing they could have done for themselves. Not evacuate as advised, not store food and water as advised and most important, surrender to the all-knowing benevolence of our dear leaders.
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Re: Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV 

Post#1232 » by montestewart » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:14 am

Just a little light reading regarding the Katrina evacuation. It's rarely as simple as it's sold to be. Ghettos are not all the same, but they generally have a few things in common, physical, economic, and political isolation among them.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=4860776
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854973/
http://www.homeland1.com/evacuation/art ... -and-Rita/
http://www.sc.edu/katrinacrisis/elder.shtml

I have a friend who was in New Orleans through the hurricane. He had a business that he wanted to secure from looters, and since it was on relatively high ground and was fairly easily secured (and he was well armed and had food and water), he elected to do so. Afterwards, the city's buses were surrounded by water, and his 30 foot truck turned out to be the largest civilian transport in the city, and he and his truck were "deputized" by the National Guard to transport people to the Superdome. (What a mistake that turned out to be.) He confirmed a lot of ignorant people wondering when the government was going to come and save them, but more than that, he confirmed the poorest, most isolated, and most vulnerable people in the city apparently abandoned by city, state, and federal authorities, and by their better off neighbors. Maybe a wake up call for them, but maybe also a sad statement about the society they hoped they were a part of.

PS: I just love that picture.
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Re: Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV 

Post#1233 » by montestewart » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:23 am

Popper, if you're preparing for a post-apocalyptic scenario, one book I highly recommend (if you don't already have it) is Henley's Book of Formulas. A big fat reference for making everything from developing fluid to gunpowder to medicine to fertilizer. Tools and skills are important, but a few reference books can't hurt.
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Re: Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV 

Post#1234 » by popper » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:34 am

montestewart wrote:Popper, if you're preparing for a post-apocalyptic scenario, one book I highly recommend (if you don't already have it) is Henley's Book of Formulas. A big fat reference for making everything from developing fluid to gunpowder to medicine to fertilizer. Tools and skills are important, but a few reference books can't hurt.


Thanks Monte. I will get that book. I made gunpowder, napom, pipebo*bs, etc. as a young lad but there is much to learn from the experts. Very interesting story about your friend in New Orleans. My wife and kids couldn't survive 15 minutes in a crisis situation and that worries me. My health is not great and I'm pre-planning my funeral right now (can you believe a simple cremation is $3600) so I hope I can at least collect some decent survival resources before I take the gas pipe.
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Re: Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV 

Post#1235 » by popper » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:55 am

I forget who said it but one of my favorites quotes is "life is comedy to those who think and tragedy to those who feel".

I can't help but laugh at the comedy which is the human condition. Ignorance, stupidity, greed and cruelty rule the day and the millennium. The U.S. will end up just like every other failed civilization throughout history. Broke and devoid of any commitment to objective truth. At least the Spartans went down with a fight.
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Re: Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV 

Post#1236 » by montestewart » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:12 am

popper wrote:I forget who said it but one of my favorites quotes is "life is comedy to those who think and tragedy to those who feel".

I can't help but laugh at the comedy which is the human condition. Ignorance, stupidity, greed and cruelty rule the day and the millennium. The U.S. will end up just like every other failed civilization throughout history. Broke and devoid of any commitment to objective truth. At least the Spartans went down with a fight.

Popper, it's best for your equilibrium to both think and feel.

I'm somewhat lucky in that my mother's second marriage gave me a stepfather that taught me to use tools, fix things (cars and such), and understand physical and mechanical principles (he was an engineer and also taught math and science). He even taught me about guns and taught me to drive when I was twelve. I'm further lucky to have a wife that, growing up in a sexist world, was basically forced to teach herself all those things, because what man would teach her. She owned an auto repair shop for years, does plumbing, electrical, can pour concrete, work wood, and pretty much figure out how to make, repair, refinish, or destroy anything, as the case calls for. I worked with an organic farming collective for many years, and we had our own urban garden for many years as well, so maybe between us we have more skills and experience to enable us to adjust to drastic changes. And we have a lot of plastic and duct tape. Lots of duct tape. We even have a little gold.

I really don't want to have to rely on any of that stuff. I don't want to be standing in the forest as the sun goes down, reading a worn copy of Stalking the Wild Asparagus to see if those berries are OK to eat.

PS: My wife made a coffin for a friend of ours. He died on Monday night and we delivered a coffin to the funeral home Friday morning. We had no need to economize on his funeral, but it was my impression that we could have gotten it for much cheaper. Here's a start:
http://www.dfsmemorials.com
Our ethos is to de-mystify the costs and services surrounding funeral services. Our network consists of local independent family-owned funeral providers throughout the US and Canada. We aim to offer complete visibility in the service's offered and in the price. A Simple Cremation is just that – the price quoted by each funeral provider in each area is exactly what you can expect to pay. Our providers have been carefully selected for the DFS network because they can fulfill our service promise.

At least on its face, this network seems to be calling out the funeral industry and trying to capture the business of people that truly want a simple, inexpensive funeral. There must be others out there. A prudent consumer and an honest merchant are a perfect match.
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Re: Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV 

Post#1237 » by hands11 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 6:30 am

popper wrote:Regarding food. i have been a vegetable gardener for many years. I usually grow much of what my family needs plus I give away 50-200 lbs of crops to my neighbors each season. I used to can but too lazy nowadays. The grocery store veggies are tasteless in my opinion and probably not very nutritious.

I used to hunt / fish for meat. Not because I needed to but because I prefer the taste of wild game and fish. Goose, duck, rabbit, quail, dove, squirrel, deer, eel, crab, rockfish, etc.

I once had a staff meeting with about fifteen young professionals sitting around the conference table. I asked, "raise your hand if you hunt", no reaction, "raise your hand if you fish", no reaction, "raise your hand if you farm", no reaction. I asked them what they would do if the power went out and 7-11 and the grocery store closed for some extended period of time. They shrugged and said, "I guess we would starve".

Isn't this mentality indicative of what happened during Katrina? Weren't the residents of New Orleans expecting someone else or the govt. to save their as*es?


Let me know if you need any help farming. I would love to learn some stuff and I like getting my hands dirty. I worked construction for a good bit while going through school. Now I just sit behind computer 5 days a week figuring out **** that doesn't really move me anymore.

Life takes funny little twists. If thing happened just a little differently then they did, I would be farming 600 archers in Florida.
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Re: Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV 

Post#1238 » by popper » Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:05 pm

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popper wrote:Regarding food. i have been a vegetable gardener for many years. I usually grow much of what my family needs plus I give away 50-200 lbs of crops to my neighbors each season. I used to can but too lazy nowadays. The grocery store veggies are tasteless in my opinion and probably not very nutritious.

I used to hunt / fish for meat. Not because I needed to but because I prefer the taste of wild game and fish. Goose, duck, rabbit, quail, dove, squirrel, deer, eel, crab, rockfish, etc.

I once had a staff meeting with about fifteen young professionals sitting around the conference table. I asked, "raise your hand if you hunt", no reaction, "raise your hand if you fish", no reaction, "raise your hand if you farm", no reaction. I asked them what they would do if the power went out and 7-11 and the grocery store closed for some extended period of time. They shrugged and said, "I guess we would starve".

Isn't this mentality indicative of what happened during Katrina? Weren't the residents of New Orleans expecting someone else or the govt. to save their as*es?


Let me know if you need any help farming. I would love to learn some stuff and I like getting my hands dirty. I worked construction for a good bit while going through school. Now I just sit behind computer 5 days a week figuring out **** that doesn't really move me anymore.

Life takes funny little twists. If thing happened just a little differently then they did, I would be farming 600 archers in Florida.


I'd be happy to have you Hands. The best time to learn/get started is Spring. A couple of half days on the weekend leading up to planting is all it takes. You can then come over anytime you want to harvest all the way through October. You'll end up with at least 100 lbs of organic veggies. Let me know what you like. This year I grew: pickling cucumbers, tomatoes, jalepenos, cayenne pepper, pole beans, bell peppers, basil, thyme, parsley, onions, chives, kholrabi, and lots of lettuce (I'm forgetting some stuff, I'm sure).
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Re: Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV 

Post#1239 » by popper » Sun Sep 23, 2012 1:52 pm

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popper wrote:I forget who said it but one of my favorites quotes is "life is comedy to those who think and tragedy to those who feel".

I can't help but laugh at the comedy which is the human condition. Ignorance, stupidity, greed and cruelty rule the day and the millennium. The U.S. will end up just like every other failed civilization throughout history. Broke and devoid of any commitment to objective truth. At least the Spartans went down with a fight.

Popper, it's best for your equilibrium to both think and feel.

I'm somewhat lucky in that my mother's second marriage gave me a stepfather that taught me to use tools, fix things (cars and such), and understand physical and mechanical principles (he was an engineer and also taught math and science). He even taught me about guns and taught me to drive when I was twelve. I'm further lucky to have a wife that, growing up in a sexist world, was basically forced to teach herself all those things, because what man would teach her. She owned an auto repair shop for years, does plumbing, electrical, can pour concrete, work wood, and pretty much figure out how to make, repair, refinish, or destroy anything, as the case calls for. I worked with an organic farming collective for many years, and we had our own urban garden for many years as well, so maybe between us we have more skills and experience to enable us to adjust to drastic changes. And we have a lot of plastic and duct tape. Lots of duct tape. We even have a little gold.

I really don't want to have to rely on any of that stuff. I don't want to be standing in the forest as the sun goes down, reading a worn copy of Stalking the Wild Asparagus to see if those berries are OK to eat.

PS: My wife made a coffin for a friend of ours. He died on Monday night and we delivered a coffin to the funeral home Friday morning. We had no need to economize on his funeral, but it was my impression that we could have gotten it for much cheaper. Here's a start:
http://www.dfsmemorials.com
Our ethos is to de-mystify the costs and services surrounding funeral services. Our network consists of local independent family-owned funeral providers throughout the US and Canada. We aim to offer complete visibility in the service's offered and in the price. A Simple Cremation is just that – the price quoted by each funeral provider in each area is exactly what you can expect to pay. Our providers have been carefully selected for the DFS network because they can fulfill our service promise.

At least on its face, this network seems to be calling out the funeral industry and trying to capture the business of people that truly want a simple, inexpensive funeral. There must be others out there. A prudent consumer and an honest merchant are a perfect match.


Plastic and duct tape - a survivalist's best friend without question. Hell, I could probably piece together a crude coffin with it if I had to.
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Post#1240 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:53 pm

Just this summer learned that the reason all the plants in my backyard were dying was because slugs were coming out at night and eating them all. My mom told me to dig a hole and put a cup of beer in it -- I drowned about thirty slugs that way, yuck.

We're pretty good at growing basil and oregano and stuff, but would need to grow about ten times as much to use it every day. In three years I think we've harvested about ten tomatoes. This year we tried squash but they all died. Back yard doesn't get much sunlight, and we don't know the hell what we're doing. Bought a blueberry bush and got a few blueberries a week from it, I consider that a success.
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Re: Political Roundtable Pulsar of Annihilation part IV 

Post#1241 » by popper » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:01 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Just this summer learned that the reason all the plants in my backyard were dying was because slugs were coming out at night and eating them all. My mom told me to dig a hole and put a cup of beer in it -- I drowned about thirty slugs that way, yuck.

We're pretty good at growing basil and oregano and stuff, but would need to grow about ten times as much to use it every day. In three years I think we've harvested about ten tomatoes. This year we tried squash but they all died. Back yard doesn't get much sunlight, and we don't know the hell what we're doing. Bought a blueberry bush and got a few blueberries a week from it, I consider that a success.


Zonk - It's really tough without enough sunlight. You might try some lettuces as they tend to not need as much sun. Also, try working in some composted manure into the soil this fall for next summer's crop.
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Post#1242 » by Nivek » Mon Sep 24, 2012 1:26 pm

For 4-5 years, I planted a backyard garden. Tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers, some other stuff. Tomatoes did best. I harvested so many that I'd eat them for breakfast, give them away, etc. LOVED the heirloom tomatoes we grew.

Best year was the first one -- my next door neighbor (whose property is slightly uphill from mine) had just put in a new lawn and he was watering a lot. The runoff from his lawn went right into my garden. :D I'd have given his family some of the produce, but they don't eat many veggies over there. Not unless you count cheese.
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Post#1243 » by hands11 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:39 pm

So we finally found our common ground. Gardening ? :lol:

I always grow tomatoes on my balcony. This year I didn't buy new ones since they grow out of the soil from dropped tomatoes from last year. Only, I didn't get a good crop from that. Not sure why.

Usually I shoot for the cherry tomatoes. You usually get a ton and you can pick and eat right from the plant.
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Post#1244 » by montestewart » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:22 pm

hands11 wrote:So we finally found our common ground. Gardening ? :lol:

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Post#1245 » by hands11 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:44 pm

montestewart wrote:
hands11 wrote:So we finally found our common ground. Gardening ? :lol:

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Common ground, at last.


Hey Pops

You know anything about this ? I think it is oregano.
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Post#1246 » by popper » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:03 pm

hands11 wrote:
montestewart wrote:
hands11 wrote:So we finally found our common ground. Gardening ? :lol:

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Common ground, at last.


Hey Pops

You know anything about this ? I think it is oregano.


Looks like the devils weed to me but how would I know? Finding something in common is important but I had no idea it would come to this.
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Post#1247 » by hands11 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:11 pm

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Nahh. I think this is Devils Weed.

I think that other stuff is Oregano
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Post#1248 » by popper » Tue Sep 25, 2012 12:37 pm

Health Premiums Up $3,000; Obama Vowed $2,500 Cut

By JOHN MERLINE, INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Posted 09/24/2012 06:43 PM ET


During his first run for president, Barack Obama made one very specific promise to voters: He would cut health insurance premiums for families by $2,500, and do so in his first term.

But it turns out that family premiums have increased by more than $3,000 since Obama's vow, according to the latest annual Kaiser Family Foundation employee health benefits survey.

Premiums for employer-provided family coverage rose $3,065 — 24% — from 2008 to 2012, the Kaiser survey found. Even if you start counting in 2009, premiums have climbed $2,370.

What's more, premiums climbed faster in Obama's four years than they did in the previous four under President Bush, the survey data show.

There's no question about what Obama was promising the country, since he repeated it constantly during his 2008 campaign.

http://news.investors.com/092412-626848 ... 0-cut.aspx
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Post#1249 » by Wizardspride » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:13 pm

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2 ... rmountable

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.co ... l-race/?hp

Obama's Lead Is Starting to Look Insurmountable



Nate Silver has an epic post today about late September polls from past years and how well they predict the eventual winner of a presidential race. Here are the highlights:

Obama is currently up by 3.7 percent. No candidate in the past 50 years has lost a lead that big.
No candidate with more than 47 percent of the vote in late September has ever lost. Obama is currently at 48.3 percent.

Big changes in the final month aren't impossible, but they've gotten rarer in the past 20 years.

It's not true that undecided voters tend to break for the challenger in the last few weeks of a race.

Read the whole thing for more. At the moment, though, the race is pretty clearly Obama's to lose. And Sam Wang agrees: his latest electoral vote forecast has Obama winning 347-191. Given all this, I'll make two predictions of my own:


The mudslinging from the Romney campaign is going to get really, really nasty and desperate over the next few weeks.

The smart money is shortly going to start deserting Romney and focusing downballot instead. The conservative base never liked Romney all that much to begin with, and I don't think it will take much for them to abandon him.

President Donald Trump referred to African countries, Haiti and El Salvador as "shithole" nations during a meeting Thursday and asked why the U.S. can't have more immigrants from Norway.
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Post#1250 » by hands11 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:57 pm

The mudslinging from the Romney campaign is going to get really, really nasty and desperate over the next few weeks.

The smart money is shortly going to start deserting Romney and focusing downballot instead. The conservative base never liked Romney all that much to begin with, and I don't think it will take much for them to abandon him.

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I posted about that with in the last couple of weeks. Actually right before he came out and attacked Obama over the embassy stuff. Then right on que, he jumped the gun on that one. But is that really anything different then they have been doing since he got in office. Probably not. They have been on his rss the entire time just like they were with Clinton.

Rs don't take losing election well at all.

The debates are less useful when there is an incumbent now that there is early voting. People can already do mail in ballets in lots of states. Next week starts early voting. Its harder to rig elections when people have longer to vote. And you can't change people minds when they have already voted.

But it was always a long shot for the Rs given the current make up of that party. Add who they put up as candidates this year and it was even tougher. Only one that really stood a chance in my book was Huntsman.

My prediction was a blow out. After that, I predicted the Rs would have to do some serious soul searching to figure out where do they go from there. I don't think the problem is in the candidates. Its in the policy and make up on their base. The ideas and demographics just don't add up anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if things get worse before they get better. I think the party will fracture into two groups. Tea Party and Religious fundamentalist will got even further to the right while the establishment tries to reform a more moderate base. And with that as their options, say hello to President Hillary Clinton.

To bad. I'm actually not totally against all of their ideas. I actually liked the idea of getting ride of the mortgage deduction and child credits. Only now would be a really tough time to do that kind of stuff. To bad they blow a hole in the deficit. If we were down closer to 50% debt to GDP it would be easier to implement this kind of stuff. It would also be easier to low taxes for everyone.

I guess that is my fundamental difference with how they went about it. Dems want lower taxes as well. Rs like to make it like they don't. Only real difference I see is this. Dems wanted to debt paid down ( like we were doing ) and then tax cuts once we could afford them. Rs wanted to starve the beast and then try to do it when people backs are against the wall so they could break apart SS, Medicare and Medicaid. I think plan A is much better. Had Bush not give up the surplus to get elected along with his other off budget stuff, we could be at like 25-30% debt to GDP. Our options would be vastly different.

Crazy how different things turn out when you hit that fork in the road and you take a right instead of taking a left. Before you know it you are way off course. And for every hour you drive the wrong way, you have to drive an hour in the right direction just to get back to that fork again. And you will never make up for the lost time. That is lost.

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