Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII

[FAH1223]

I hope we don't take Bennett. I'd rather have any of the other bigs

[hands11]

I don't think you can get away with a solid defensive center with a guy like D-Will or Bennett as a starting 4. They literally have to be elite to make up for the deficiencies both of those players have defensively.

Hate all you want, but Bennett managed to post a Defensive Rating of 89.3 as a freshman, which is pretty damn good. Steven Adams' DRtg last year was 87, so slightly better than Bennett's. Yet Adams is seen as an elite defensive big man, but Bennett is perceived as very bad on defense. Makes NO sense. Larry Sanders posted a DRtg of 90.8 his junior year of college. Again, these stats have their flaws, but they're still worth noting.

From the chatter here, you'd think Bennett couldn't defend the hoop from a kindergartener with a kickball.

Do they also have Cheese Doodles ? I think he would likely do better chasing them down if they did.

[stevemcqueen1]

In the Irish stretch 4 section, my preference is Ryan Kelly. Like Murphy, he's rebounding deficient, but he's a very underrated defensive player, and his 9'2 standing reach gives him an advantage over most PF's. He's going to slide because of rebounding, injuries, and his near 15 body fat %. Kelly's not a great athlete, but he looks quicker than Murphy. Getting healthy and in shape could make Kelly a major bargain.

I think the team already has a rebounding deficiency. Beal and Wall are great rebounders for their position. Okafor and Booker are physical rebounders that can eat the defensive glass. Nene is maybe average. Every one else is a subpar rebounder for their position.

If we're looking for a role playing big, I'd rather get one with size that specializes in defense and rebounding rather than distance shooting.

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I've never seen Carmichael play, don't have a lot to say about him. But his numbers look good.

I did watch Iverson a couple times and was impressed. He doesn't seem to have much upside and I don't think he's as good as Dieng or Withey, but he has a place in the NBA and I wouldn't mind him in the second round at all. He's got an NBA body and he's tough and he does rebound. He's a classic bruiser who can wear opposing bigs out for stretches and give you six hard fouls.

[rockymac52]

I just wrote that I believe the Cleveland Cavaliers will likely take Nerlens Noel at No. 1. However, what happens to Noel if he doesn't go to Cleveland? Will he slide down the draft board? I don't think so. Sources close to the Orlando Magic told ESPN.com on Saturday that if the Cavs pass on Kentucky big man Nerlens Noel, the Magic are leaning strongly toward selecting him with the No. 2 pick in the draft.

-Chad Ford.

Damn you Orlando. Mclemore wants to play in Orlando!

CLE is very likely to trade that pick to Chicago.

?? Are you talking about the 1st overall pick? If so, where'd you hear that?

[Knighthonor]

How does MKG fit the Wizards? Makes no sense.

[stevemcqueen1]

If we can get MKG with our pick from this crummy draft I would be amazed. If we had it I would trade the #1 pick in this draft for him.

He can't shoot.

Yeah, he's a bad shooter. That's why I didn't totally buy into him last year. I don't think you put a poor shooter on the floor with Wall at the SF spot. You need a 3 ball shooter and floor spacer or else you're going to run into some of the problems that Chicago, Indiana, and Miami have run into. Especially in the postseason.

I like MKG a lot for most NBA teams. He's just not a great fit for us.

Gotta build a team. Can't aimlessly amass talent.

[hands11]

Interesting non-Deng commentary from http://www.grantland.com:

No matter what roles Wall or Beal played (both came off the bench for a few games), the Wizards posted a point differential of plus-4.84, the equivalent of a 55-win team over a full season. And though a 25-game stretch isn’t something Washington can hang its hat on, it’s certainly an encouraging sign. That trio, combined with Nene and Emeka Okafor, also combined to form the league's most effective five-man unit that played at least 140 minutes together, per NBA.com.

Unlike some of the more desperate teams, Washington doesn’t necessarily need to hit a home run at the top of the draft, but to break through from mid-standings irrelevance, the Wizards probably have to avoid coming up empty. If the team can get an impact player with the third pick while also finding a competent backup point guard with one of its second-round picks, the Wizards have the opportunity to completely change the course of their franchise. No pressure, right?

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... -nba-draft

This just made me realize something. I knew this before, but I guess this is the first time I'm really analyzing the potential implications...

So we have this lineup of Wall/Beal/Webster/Nene/Okafor that has been VERY VERY good. But, if we draft Porter (as most suspect), and re-sign Webster (as most suspect), how are the minutes divided? We've talked about this plenty before, and it's clear that there's a way to divide the minutes between Webster/Porter/Ariza, with all 3 players getting 20-26 MPG. But most of those scenarios involved Ariza/Porter sliding to be a small ball 4 at times, but mainly, for Webster to get most of his minutes as the backup SG.

Now, that works out, and makes sense, BUT, what does it mean for that killer starting lineup that we already have with Webster at the 3? Do we just abandon it? Do we only run with that group for 5-10 minutes per game tops? I'm concerned we'll just abandon that 5 man lineup for the most part, with Ariza/Porter subbing in there for Webster. That lineup should be pretty good too, although I don't think it will be AS GOOD as it was with Webster there instead spacing the floor and shooting lights out from the corner 3.

Worth considering...

I think drafting Porter is NOT the best move.

Draft Olynyk and Karasev instead.

Karasev will exceed all expectations. He might be better than Porter. Karasev won't disrupt continuity by running off Webster or contract year Ariza, because Karasev won't start immediately.

Olynyk is by FAR the most efficient post scorer. He will be a playoff scorer who brings Brad Miller/Luis Scola skill. Forget about athleticism--dude puts the ball in the basket!

In round 2 pick Wolters, Canaan, McCallum (I have a very good feeling that he's massively underrated, like Karasev) or Siva.

Otto Porter is a great prospect but I think Karasev with Olynyk in a trade down would be twice as good.

People who want Bennett should consider Olynyk's points in the paint at PF in the NBA.

Surg remind me of a Manu

Really quick release on that lefty. l like him. He is comfortable in his skin and seems really mature. Dad is a coach.

[tontoz]

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/06/25/source-bobcats-shopping-kidd-gilcrest-to-draft-otto-porter/ It also says the wizards are determind to draft Bennett.

Charlotte has targeted Harrison Barnes of the Warriors as the player they would most like to acquire, but a straight-up offer of Kidd-Gilchrist would not be enough.

Wow

[TGW]

I'd rather have MKG than Barnes, but I'm not a GM so what do I know.

And I agree with Doc, Dat, and CCJ—Olynyk is going to be a good player in the NBA. He won't be dunking over anyone, but he'll definitely be out-hustling, out-maneuvering, and outsmarting his counterparts.

[Earth2Ted]

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/06/25/source-bobcats-shopping-kidd-gilcrest-to-draft-otto-porter/ It also says the wizards are determind to draft Bennett.

Here is the relevant quote:

The reason the Bobcats braintrust of Rich Cho and owner Michael Jordan believe Porter will be available is because, SheridanHoops has learned from league sources, the Washington Wizards are determined to draft Anthony Bennett of UNLV with the No. 3 pick.

Are they saying
1) multiple league sources have the Wiz drafting Bennett, or
2) multiple league sources have MJ THINKING the Wiz draft Bennett?

I think the wording goes more toward 1), but it's ambiguous enough that if they're wrong and the Wiz go Porter, they can say they meant 2).

It's gotta be about a 80% chance of us getting Porter- makes too much sense not to happen. I would love to see us take a shot at one of the higher ceiling big men- but if I were GM and my job were on the line, I probably would go with Otto.

[hands11]

Damn you Orlando. Mclemore wants to play in Orlando!

CLE is very likely to trade that pick to Chicago.

?? Are you talking about the 1st overall pick? If so, where'd you hear that?

Radio

[AFM]

As I've always said, I would be very happy with Otto, but ecstatic with Bennett. Porter is just way too awkward for me. He doesn't look like a basketball player at all. Actually just the way he runs he doesnt look like much of an athlete. But I think he'll be a good 4th option for most of his career.
Either way, I'll probably be pretty happy whatever the outcome is. It would be really hard for EG to mess this up.

[nuposse04]

I think Porter's offensive ceiling is a bit underrated considering he was THE guy at G-Town and played on that woefully slow offensive style. I think it won't be too long before he average 15-6-3.5... and I could easily see him getting around 18-20 ppg if he works on his handles and strength. He's already a good shooter IMO. I think cerebral players end up lasting as effective players a lot longer in the league then guys with shear athleticism. I like bennett...I wouldn't be irate if we picked him...but the option is pretty clear for me.

[AFM]

There's no way he's going to get 20ppg. In a starting 5 with Wall, Beal, and Nene, he's the 4th option at best. 5th if Webster continues shooting the corner 3 at a ridiculous rate. I see him at 12 ppg to be honest.

[hands11]

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/06/25/source-bobcats-shopping-kidd-gilcrest-to-draft-otto-porter/ It also says the wizards are determind to draft Bennett.

Here is the relevant quote:

The reason the Bobcats braintrust of Rich Cho and owner Michael Jordan believe Porter will be available is because, SheridanHoops has learned from league sources, the Washington Wizards are determined to draft Anthony Bennett of UNLV with the No. 3 pick.

Are they saying
1) multiple league sources have the Wiz drafting Bennett, or
2) multiple league sources have MJ THINKING the Wiz draft Bennett?

I think the wording goes more toward 1), but it's ambiguous enough that if they're wrong and the Wiz go Porter, they can say they meant 2).

It's gotta be about a 80% chance of us getting Porter- makes too much sense not to happen. I would love to see us take a shot at one of the higher ceiling big men- but if I were GM and my job were on the line, I probably would go with Otto.

http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2013/6/25 ... rds-set-on

And Detroit is celebrating because they were afraid the Pistons would end up with him.

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/6/25 ... on-wizards
Except here, it says they are talking Porter.

[nuposse04]

There's no way he's going to get 20ppg. In a starting 5 with Wall, Beal, and Nene, he's the 4th option at best. 5th if Webster continues shooting the corner 3 at a ridiculous rate. I see him at 12 ppg to be honest.

Lol so you essentially see him as Webster. I think Nene's average will continue to be around 13-16.

I don't necessarily want Wall to average 20+ either...I still see him going for 18...maybe 19...but possibly 10.5-12.0 assists once our offense becomes competent. I still think 3rd option is completely legitimate. He averaged 16 as the focal point at G-town in that slow ass defensive minded conference....His offensive production's floor should be Webster (maybe not as elite from 3 pt land).

[AFM]

Yes he averaged 16 as their best player. Is he a better offensive player than Beal and Wall? Nene? I don't think so.
I'm actually not saying don't draft him. He works great in our starting 5 BECAUSE he's a good 4th option and we already have Wall, Beal, and Nene.
The big problem is what happens when Wall is off the court? Our 2nd team is awful and I don't think Porter is good enough offensively to help that. I think Bennett is a better fit.

[Ruzious]

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/06/25/source-bobcats-shopping-kidd-gilcrest-to-draft-otto-porter/ It also says the wizards are determind to draft Bennett.

I'm hoping there's some a little deception going on there. I like a lot of what Bennett brings but the team needs a player who's real grounded like an Otto Porter or Victor Oladipo. I think another talented, confident, young guy with his head on straight playing alongside Beal keeps Wall from growing too big of a head.

Bennett's not as mature a player as Porter or Oladipo.

That was what came to my mind. If they pick Bennett at 3, I'll be disappointed that they picked a guy at 3 that they could have gotten in a trade down, AND I'll also be disappointed that EG was transparent and failed miserably in playing GM poker.

[nuposse04]

Yes he averaged 16 as their best player. Is he a better offensive player than Beal and Wall? Nene? I don't think so.
I'm actually not saying don't draft him. He works great in our starting 5 BECAUSE he's a good 4th option and we already have Wall, Beal, and Nene.
The big problem is what happens when Wall is off the court? Our 2nd team is awful and I don't think Porter is good enough offensively to help that. I think Bennett is a better fit.

I think he could still give you production...the key here is having a good 2nd unit PG. He's also an underrated passer. He should give us more playmaking than Ariza/Webster, His utility goes up considerably more if he can gain good weight and operate against smaller SFs in the post...but I think that is 2-3 years away. He's a good cutter and with the way Nene passes the ball he would excel playing with him. I just think there are too many ways he can score to not end up with more than 16 a game a few years from now. He's probably a 8-12 ppg scorer in his rookie campaign.

[stevemcqueen1]

As I've always said, I would be very happy with Otto, but ecstatic with Bennett. Porter is just way too awkward for me. He doesn't look like a basketball player at all. Actually just the way he runs he doesnt look like much of an athlete. But I think he'll be a good 4th option for most of his career.
Either way, I'll probably be pretty happy whatever the outcome is. It would be really hard for EG to mess this up.

He could pick Len.