Re: Predicting the Eastern Conference Standings 2014/2015 Se
Posted: Tue Sep 9, 2014 9:22 pm
I'm not too big on a team to make a big leap that hasn't gotten out of the first round of the playoffs.
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cammac wrote:hands11 wrote:^^
Less upside in the experienced vet players. i.e. Nene, PP, Miller, etc.
As for TOR getting off to a fast start. I agree they probably will for exactly the reasons you mentioned.
But no, they don't have the vets I'm talking about. There is no Nene, PP, Gortats on that team.
They are developing. I like DeRozan. Vasquez has shown to be a solid player and is great off the bench. They should be fun to watch. I'm also going to keep tabs on Bruno Caboclo.
But they are a step below WAS this year and they are likely another first round exit in the playoffs.
Maybe with the right moves or just another year of seasoning, they can be a 2nd round team in 2015/16
I disagree our window isn't open. I think its more open then theirs is because we have Wall, Beal and now Otto but we also have the vet to get deeper in the playoffs. Then as Miller and PP peal off, Wall, Beal, Otto, Gortat and whoever else we add take over as that playoff experienced player, only this time, they are young and can do it a long time.
TOR is more the blind leading the blind. They don't have anyone like Nene, Gortat and Paul to lead them there.
Toronto is hardly without veteran Lowry will be 29, Amir Johnson is 28 but with 10 years experience.
Lowry & Wall are the best 2 PGs in the conference and as equal as you can get.
Vasquez and Cherry are better than Miller
DeMar improves every year and at this point is definitely better than Beal but Beal has a better 3 point shot.
L. Williams and Martell are equivalent players but Martell isn't health.
Pierce & Porter a interesting combination I hope that Porter improves since Pierce played extended minutes at PF.
Toronto is now deep at SF Ross # & D, James Johnson strong defender against bigger SF, Hamilton long and strong & Caboclo a rookie all potential can be a bust or a star.
PF Nene, Hump & Blair strong and tough 3some versus A. Johnson, Patterson & Hansbrough very equilant but different. Toronto has a stretch 4 in Patterson that Washington lacks
C Gortat was a top 4 C in the East last year but needs Nene to back him up while Valanciunas is a 3rd year C ready to step up this year he is stronger and with improved defense he may overtake Gortat, Stiemsma was added as back-up C and Nogueira is a rookie who was MVDP in his league in Spain last year.
Toronto also had a winning record against the west last year.
So Toronto has 2 interesting rookies developing,
See Toronto 2nd and Washington 3rd
Don't see a great difference in the teams except Toronto is younger and more players coming into prime.
Hidden Eye wrote:I'm not too big on a team to make a big leap that hasn't gotten out of the first round of the playoffs.
stevemcqueen1 wrote:Hidden Eye wrote:I'm not too big on a team to make a big leap that hasn't gotten out of the first round of the playoffs.
Yeah that is an issue, but I don't think it holds them back in the regular season. That's where I think Toronto is built to thrive with a deep rotation and good home court advantage but not necessarily the best top end talent. Denver used that formula for a couple years and ultimately got to 57 wins and in a tougher division and conference.
Also, I don't necessarily think it takes a big leap from them to get the 1 seed. They won 48 last year, I think a six or seven win bump gives them a very good chance at a one seed.
I don't think there will be any teams in the East really threatening to win 60. I see a lot hanging around 50, all within a game or two of each other. The top got taken off the East this year.
stevemcqueen1 wrote:Hidden Eye wrote:I'm not too big on a team to make a big leap that hasn't gotten out of the first round of the playoffs.
Yeah that is an issue, but I don't think it holds them back in the regular season. That's where I think Toronto is built to thrive with a deep rotation and good home court advantage but not necessarily the best top end talent. Denver used that formula for a couple years and ultimately got to 57 wins and in a tougher division and conference.
Also, I don't necessarily think it takes a big leap from them to get the 1 seed. They won 48 last year, I think a six or seven win bump gives them a very good chance at a one seed.
I don't think there will be any teams in the East really threatening to win 60. I see a lot hanging around 50, all within a game or two of each other. The top got taken off the East this year.
Detective wrote:I like how no one has bothered to even counter my post on the previous page, because it blatantly showcased a distinct lack of knowledge when it comes to statistical analysis and the structure of our team.
hands11, bro, you are providing your stance, but not really actually debating and deconstructing the arguments of others. It's mostly just posturing on your part, dude. Nothing personal, just stating my opinion.
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montestewart wrote:Detective wrote:I like how no one has bothered to even counter my post on the previous page, because it blatantly showcased a distinct lack of knowledge when it comes to statistical analysis and the structure of our team.
hands11, bro, you are providing your stance, but not really actually debating and deconstructing the arguments of others. It's mostly just posturing on your part, dude. Nothing personal, just stating my opinion.
:brofist:
Well, I can say with certainty that isn't the reason I failed to respond.
Detective wrote:montestewart wrote:Detective wrote:I like how no one has bothered to even counter my post on the previous page, because it blatantly showcased a distinct lack of knowledge when it comes to statistical analysis and the structure of our team.
hands11, bro, you are providing your stance, but not really actually debating and deconstructing the arguments of others. It's mostly just posturing on your part, dude. Nothing personal, just stating my opinion.
:brofist:
Well, I can say with certainty that isn't the reason I failed to respond.
Haha, I'm just not used to seeing anyone not respond. We basically have as many Quotes as And1's on the Raps board, due to the sheer volume of users. This place is kind of like a ghost town. God only knows what Utah's board is like.
Detective wrote:I like how no one has bothered to even counter my post on the previous page, because it blatantly showcased a distinct lack of knowledge when it comes to statistical analysis and the structure of our team.
hands11, bro, you are providing your stance, but not really actually debating and deconstructing the arguments of others. It's mostly just posturing on your part, dude. Nothing personal, just stating my opinion.
:brofist:
Detective wrote:
I am not taking anything away from your team, but it took 3 OT's to beat our Raps team last season with our current coaching style, and that was also with Amir and KLow fouled out. I think we remember how the rest of the earlier games went. But that was last season.
Washington also added depth this offseason, however we are not worried as much about soon to be 37 year old Pierce(it was JJ that killed us in our series against the Nets, the entire 7 games, not Pierce) or Gortat/Nene(who will turn 31 and 32 respectively, the latter with injury concerns), or soon to be 39 year old Andre Miller.
Hidden Eye wrote:I'm not too big on a team to make a big leap that hasn't gotten out of the first round of the playoffs.
cammac wrote:
Toronto is hardly without veteran Lowry will be 29, Amir Johnson is 28 but with 10 years experience.
Lowry & Wall are the best 2 PGs in the conference and as equal as you can get.
Vasquez and Cherry are better than Miller
DeMar improves every year and at this point is definitely better than Beal but Beal has a better 3 point shot.
L. Williams and Martell are equivalent players but Martell isn't health.
Pierce & Porter a interesting combination I hope that Porter improves since Pierce played extended minutes at PF.
Toronto is now deep at SF Ross # & D, James Johnson strong defender against bigger SF, Hamilton long and strong & Caboclo a rookie all potential can be a bust or a star.
PF Nene, Hump & Blair strong and tough 3some versus A. Johnson, Patterson & Hansbrough very equilant but different. Toronto has a stretch 4 in Patterson that Washington lacks
C Gortat was a top 4 C in the East last year but needs Nene to back him up while Valanciunas is a 3rd year C ready to step up this year he is stronger and with improved defense he may overtake Gortat, Stiemsma was added as back-up C and Nogueira is a rookie who was MVDP in his league in Spain last year.
Toronto also had a winning record against the west last year.
So Toronto has 2 interesting rookies developing,
See Toronto 2nd and Washington 3rd
Don't see a great difference in the teams except Toronto is younger and more players coming into prime.
Dat2U wrote:Hidden Eye wrote:I'm not too big on a team to make a big leap that hasn't gotten out of the first round of the playoffs.
Tell that to Boston the year they acquired Garnett, Allen & Pierce or to Miami when they acquired LeBron & Bosh.
You think it really makes a difference THIS SEASON that Cleveland didn't make it past the 1st round last year? No.
It's all about the talent, everything else is fan/media created dribble.
Hidden Eye wrote:Dat2U wrote:Hidden Eye wrote:I'm not too big on a team to make a big leap that hasn't gotten out of the first round of the playoffs.
Tell that to Boston the year they acquired Garnett, Allen & Pierce or to Miami when they acquired LeBron & Bosh.
You think it really makes a difference THIS SEASON that Cleveland didn't make it past the 1st round last year? No.
It's all about the talent, everything else is fan/media created dribble.
14-15 Cavs aren't in the same caliber as the 07-08 Celtics and 10-11 Heat.
Not every team is going to gel into successful team in one year.
dckingsfan wrote:Hidden Eye wrote:Dat2U wrote:
Tell that to Boston the year they acquired Garnett, Allen & Pierce or to Miami when they acquired LeBron & Bosh.
You think it really makes a difference THIS SEASON that Cleveland didn't make it past the 1st round last year? No.
It's all about the talent, everything else is fan/media created dribble.
14-15 Cavs aren't in the same caliber as the 07-08 Celtics and 10-11 Heat.
Not every team is going to gel into successful team in one year.
So you are predicting they won't win the ECF?