Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[dckingsfan]

Why would they trade Arron Afflalo ?

He is playing great and they don't have any cap problems.

They can actually take on salary. Hedu is an exp that can also by buy out.

The team will have a ton of cap room next year and could easily go after Greg Monroe.

They are still thinking of VO as a PG. No reason to move Arron Afflalo.

They could move Nelson to a team that needs cap relief on a long contract if they team needs to reboot. Say KG has had enough and wants to retire or maybe he want to hang out in Orlando for a year being a teacher of some good young talent to give back to the game that gave so much opportunity to him. 12M of KG for one year would be good teaching for a young team like Orlando if he would do it.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/orlando.htm

Read his statement - he is basically saying they aren't going to trade their pick and could be sellers at the trade deadline to pick up more pieces if the deal is righ...

[deneem4]

Vo not going to be point...jus tryin to make him more versatile, something we shouldve did with beal last yr while wall was out...the magic also have a very nice young roster with lots of potential,

Vucevic
Vo
Harris
Harkless
Nicholson
Oquinnn

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Why would they trade Arron Afflalo ?

He is playing great and they don't have any cap problems.

They can actually take on salary. Hedu is an exp that can also by buy out.

The team will have a ton of cap room next year and could easily go after Greg Monroe.

They are still thinking of VO as a PG. No reason to move Arron Afflalo.

They could move Nelson to a team that needs cap relief on a long contract if they team needs to reboot. Say KG has had enough and wants to retire or maybe he want to hang out in Orlando for a year being a teacher of some good young talent to give back to the game that gave so much opportunity to him. 12M of KG for one year would be good teaching for a young team like Orlando if he would do it.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/orlando.htm

Read his statement - he is basically saying they aren't going to trade their pick and could be sellers at the trade deadline to pick up more pieces if the deal is righ...

Read whose statement? Hennigan's? Read it where?

[dckingsfan]

Verbal's post:

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The Kings have dealt theirs top 12 protected (to Cleveland). I think this pretty much means they can't deal it again.

I don't see the Magic dealing theirs. I think they want to acquire one more piece and see what they have with their young players. I could see them being "sellers" in the trade market in moving Arron Afflalo or Nelson if there is interest.

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He isn't saying that they WILL deal Afflalo, just that they could be sellers around the trade deadline...

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Verbal's post:

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The Kings have dealt theirs top 12 protected (to Cleveland). I think this pretty much means they can't deal it again.

I don't see the Magic dealing theirs. I think they want to acquire one more piece and see what they have with their young players. I could see them being "sellers" in the trade market in moving Arron Afflalo or Nelson if there is interest.

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He isn't saying that they WILL deal Afflalo, just that they could be sellers around the trade deadline...

Aahh.

The Magic are rebuilding around their 8 young guys and future assets. I have no doubt that they'd deal any veteran to get more future assets. Above all, I'm quite sure they'd *love* to deal Nelson and/or Davis. And Afflalo has a player option in 2015-16, so I'm sure he's available too. The right deal for them would mean younger players, more cap room sooner, and more picks.

This is a team with a good GM, and you can look for them to speed right by us in the next couple of years.

[fishercob]

What about Ariza, Booker, Seraphin
for
Carlos Boozer

Boozer is heavily overpaid and aging (so he'd be a great fit here), but he's a good player.

He, Nene, and a re-signed Gortat fit together well as a 3-big rotation that could all limit one another's minutes; Vesely and Big Al could spell the top 3 as needed. This would make us a better team for the next two years -- we'd be pretty well positioned to give our young core some needed playoff experience and exposure, and this would help to worsen the pick we send to Phoenix.

Rose's recent injury makes Chicago consider this. There's no way they pay the luxtax to not truly contend, and this gives them the opportunity to get younger and to rebuild and re calibrate on the fly.

This also opens up two roster spots so we can sign a real backup PG -- either from the D-League or someone playing overseas.

The one issue is that once Gortat is extend, it makes filling out the roster and staying under the luxtax a little challenging. Darnit.

[LyricalRico]

^ Yeah, the luxury tax would be an issue. We'd also have zero room to add depth at other positions. I like Boozer, but I think I would pass, or rather flip him to a third team for multiple players.

[MDStar]

Micheal Lee's article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... -new-york/

Tidbit on the Gortat trade, with mention of Asik.

"Before completing the deal for Gortat, the Wizards spoke with a handful of teams in an attempt to acquire a center because of the uncertainty surrounding Emeka Okafor’s neck injury. According to multiple people with knowledge of the situation, the Wizards contacted the Houston Rockets about disgruntled big man Omer Asik.

The conversation didn’t get very far, according to a source, because of the Rockets’ insistence on an unprotected first-round pick in the 2014 draft. At the time of the talks, Houston was still interested in seeing how the union between Asik and Dwight Howard would work out.

The Wizards were also apprehensive about the $15 million balloon payment that Asik is set to receive next season, according to the same source. Washington was finally able to make the deal with Phoenix when the Suns decided to accept a top-12 protected pick next summer."

[fishercob]

^ Yeah, the luxury tax would be an issue. We'd also have zero room to add depth at other positions. I like Boozer, but I think I would pass, or rather flip him to a third team for multiple players.

I would think that if there's a 3rd team that wants Booz for multiple players that they would deal with the Bulls directly.

[LyricalRico]

^ Yeah, the luxury tax would be an issue. We'd also have zero room to add depth at other positions. I like Boozer, but I think I would pass, or rather flip him to a third team for multiple players.

I would think that if there's a 3rd team that wants Booz for multiple players that they would deal with the Bulls directly.

Probably right, although we might still be able to insert ourselves depending on the situation. Anything's possible!

[dckingsfan]

Micheal Lee's article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... -new-york/

Tidbit on the Gortat trade, with mention of Asik.

"Before completing the deal for Gortat, the Wizards spoke with a handful of teams in an attempt to acquire a center because of the uncertainty surrounding Emeka Okafor’s neck injury. According to multiple people with knowledge of the situation, the Wizards contacted the Houston Rockets about disgruntled big man Omer Asik.

The conversation didn’t get very far, according to a source, because of the Rockets’ insistence on an unprotected first-round pick in the 2014 draft. At the time of the talks, Houston was still interested in seeing how the union between Asik and Dwight Howard would work out.

The Wizards were also apprehensive about the $15 million balloon payment that Asik is set to receive next season, according to the same source. Washington was finally able to make the deal with Phoenix when the Suns decided to accept a top-12 protected pick next summer."

I think the Rockets thought they could get an unprotected 1st... I think Asik coming out and asking for a trade hurt the Rockets, IMO.

[G-Wizards]

I think that we have to find a way to get Greg Monroe. Whether it be in free agency, or a trade, he'd work great in DC.
If we were to trade for him, Otto and a filler, plus a second round pick for him?
If we were to trade for him, I doubt he would try to leave DC.



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[fishercob]

^ Yeah, the luxury tax would be an issue. We'd also have zero room to add depth at other positions. I like Boozer, but I think I would pass, or rather flip him to a third team for multiple players.

Actually, I am seeing that the '14-15 tax is estimated at $75.7M.

So making this deal would put us at about $60M before the Gortat extension. Extending Gortat and filling out the roster with $16M could be doable, especially if we're not paying a first round pick.

Gortat, Boozer, Nene, Porter, Webster, Rice, Beal, Wall, Maynor.

If Gortat got $10M, we'd have about $6M for the final 5-6 spots (i assume we'd leave one open).

It's tight for a year, and even if the worst case scenario hit whereby injuries forced signings that sent us into the luxtax, we'd be back well under the cap in the summers of 15 and 16.

While I am sure there are moves out there that represent better value propositions (particular when taking opportunity cost into account), I am trying to think like Ernie and Ted. I think this is a way to stay "on plan" for them.

[lastemp3ror]

Any chance Ernie is interested in trading for Derrick Williams? Supposedly there is a "99.9%" chance he will be traded very soon. It also looks like the Wolves are looking for 3 that can defend. We are stacked at the 3 and could use a scoring big who can come off the bench. Thoughts?

[hands11]

Vo not going to be point...jus tryin to make him more versatile, something we shouldve did with beal last yr while wall was out...the magic also have a very nice young roster with lots of potential,

Vucevic
Vo
Harris
Harkless
Nicholson
Oquinnn

I agree they do. But I am a believer in maximizing youth by sprinkling in some vets. I think they develop better that way.

Afflalo isn't expensive and they have lots of cap room already. And he is very productive. Even if they wanted to move VO to starting SG, I would still get Afflalo around if I was them. Give what he has produced, his value isn't going to drop right away even as a back up. They have well into next year before they should move him.

Turkoglu's expiring is what they should be dangling.

I wouldn't even move Glen Davis at only 6.4M for two years. Just no reason to unless they can land a bigger fish. All we really have is Nene for both. Now that is something I might consider.

[hands11]

Verbal's post:

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The Kings have dealt theirs top 12 protected (to Cleveland). I think this pretty much means they can't deal it again.

I don't see the Magic dealing theirs. I think they want to acquire one more piece and see what they have with their young players. I could see them being "sellers" in the trade market in moving Arron Afflalo or Nelson if there is interest.

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He isn't saying that they WILL deal Afflalo, just that they could be sellers around the trade deadline...

Right.

That is what I commented on.

Not sure what the problem was. I was pointing out why I didn't personally think it was all that likely.

Just my two cents.

[hands11]

Verbal's post:

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The Kings have dealt theirs top 12 protected (to Cleveland). I think this pretty much means they can't deal it again.

I don't see the Magic dealing theirs. I think they want to acquire one more piece and see what they have with their young players. I could see them being "sellers" in the trade market in moving Arron Afflalo or Nelson if there is interest.

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He isn't saying that they WILL deal Afflalo, just that they could be sellers around the trade deadline...

Aahh.

The Magic are rebuilding around their 8 young guys and future assets. I have no doubt that they'd deal any veteran to get more future assets. Above all, I'm quite sure they'd *love* to deal Nelson and/or Davis. And Afflalo has a player option in 2015-16, so I'm sure he's available too. The right deal for them would mean younger players, more cap room sooner, and more picks.

This is a team with a good GM, and you can look for them to speed right by us in the next couple of years.

That could happen, but I have little faith in a team that is two wet behind the ears.

It would be one thing if they can actually put it together enough as a young team to get some playoff experience. But if they are just talented and don't know how to win/close games, eventually they will need to add vets. Vets they already have. That's why they should be careful in moving that kind of experience if they don't have to. And they don't have to.

Nelson and Turk are the two main piece they should be loving to move. If I was them, I would keep Glen and Afflalo another year at least. Unless of court you can land gold in a ultra good player. A quality over quantity type move.

[hands11]

What about Ariza, Booker, Seraphin
for
Carlos Boozer

Boozer is heavily overpaid and aging (so he'd be a great fit here), but he's a good player.

He, Nene, and a re-signed Gortat fit together well as a 3-big rotation that could all limit one another's minutes; Vesely and Big Al could spell the top 3 as needed. This would make us a better team for the next two years -- we'd be pretty well positioned to give our young core some needed playoff experience and exposure, and this would help to worsen the pick we send to Phoenix.

Rose's recent injury makes Chicago consider this. There's no way they pay the luxtax to not truly contend, and this gives them the opportunity to get younger and to rebuild and re calibrate on the fly.

This also opens up two roster spots so we can sign a real backup PG -- either from the D-League or someone playing overseas.

The one issue is that once Gortat is extend, it makes filling out the roster and staying under the luxtax a little challenging. Darnit.

Would have to be a GM listening to the channels. If he is on the table, you consider it. If not, you wait for them to amnesty him and hope you win the big.

If not, Zaza could work here as well.

[fishercob]

What about Ariza, Booker, Seraphin
for
Carlos Boozer

Boozer is heavily overpaid and aging (so he'd be a great fit here), but he's a good player.

He, Nene, and a re-signed Gortat fit together well as a 3-big rotation that could all limit one another's minutes; Vesely and Big Al could spell the top 3 as needed. This would make us a better team for the next two years -- we'd be pretty well positioned to give our young core some needed playoff experience and exposure, and this would help to worsen the pick we send to Phoenix.

Rose's recent injury makes Chicago consider this. There's no way they pay the luxtax to not truly contend, and this gives them the opportunity to get younger and to rebuild and re calibrate on the fly.

This also opens up two roster spots so we can sign a real backup PG -- either from the D-League or someone playing overseas.

The one issue is that once Gortat is extend, it makes filling out the roster and staying under the luxtax a little challenging. Darnit.

Would have to be a GM listening to the channels. If he is on the table, you consider it. If not, you wait for them to amnesty him and hope you win the big.

If not, Zaza could work here as well.

It would be awesome if the Bulls amnesty Boozer and we are able to win his services. We'd have no trouble filling out the roster that way.

[hands11]

Any chance Ernie is interested in trading for Derrick Williams? Supposedly there is a "99.9%" chance he will be traded very soon. It also looks like the Wolves are looking for 3 that can defend. We are stacked at the 3 and could use a scoring big who can come off the bench. Thoughts?

He is a troubled player. I heard a nice review about this kind of players.

He can do lots of things, but that is partly the problem.

A man without a solid position.

Its causing development problems for him.

Monroe would be a good add. Liked that potential for a while now. But for me, I would almost rather Otto not be here if he came. I know to some the Otto/Monroe marriage sounds like a good story, but just not sure I'm a fan of such quietness.