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Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thread

Postby Wizardspride on Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:49 am

miller31time wrote:
Absolutely right.

I bought a nice authentic Wall jersey and Draft hat last year and spent hundreds on tickets to about 10 home games.

All in all, that's almost $600 that I spent on the Wizards last year. This season, they aren't getting a penny. I know I'm not the only one out there, too.

Ted will feel this where it hurts the most - the pocketbook. Didn't he even say that's his "bottom line"?

And that's my biggest gripe with Ted.

When he bought the team I didn't expect him to be principally concerned with his "bottomline".

His "bottomline" got us Ariza/Okafor because he steadfastly refused to buyout/amnesty Rashard Lewis.


I've said it once and I'll say it again: "I'd rather have Dan Snyder as the owner".

Yeah, I said it. Dan Snyder....
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Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thread

Postby verbal8 on Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:13 pm

Wizardspride wrote:
I've said it once and I'll say it again: "I'd rather have Dan Snyder as the owner".

Yeah, I said it. Dan Snyder....


Snyder seems to be finally letting a football guy(s) move the team in the right direction. The salary structure in football lets you recover from bad signings a little more quickly.

However I think he would be an unmitigated disaster. Think the Isaih Thomas Knicks. I could see him have a team(best case) with a guy who is good and overpaid like Joe Johnson or Amare Stoudamire and a couple guys who are highly paid but not good.
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Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thread

Postby willbcocks on Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:12 pm

Every day another disappointment--EG hasn't been fired.
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Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thread

Postby Higga on Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:37 pm

I only saw bits and pieces of one game this year, the OT loss in Boston. I refuse to watch. Boycotting until Grunfeld is fired and mass changes are made.
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Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thread

Postby WizarDynasty on Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:19 pm

The most important job now is the sign livingston to a longterm contract as the backup point guard and allow Livingston to be a foundational player for years to come. if we can get livingston to sign a longterm backup contract it will encourage him to develop walls basketball iq and improve the basketball iq of our athletic low basketball iq players just as he didn't te last time he was here.
Leonsis has the realize that Grunfeld failed to sign lviningston longterm the last time he was here and Leonsis should gambe that Grunfeld will repeat the same mistake he made last time with livingston. Livingston's value is that he has genius Jason Kidd like point guard mind and has the aptitude, intelligence, and leadership to design plays in the film room against opposing defenses nightly. Livingston's instincts, diagnostics, skills and passing ability are almost Jason Kidd like rating 9.5 out of 10. Wall will never come to close to Livingston has far has basketball iq and is more a tony parker clone. Tony parker only became successful because Pop forced kept him on a tight leash and turned him into a system point guard. Parker still isn't a high BBIQ player he just knows POPs system very well and he doesn't have the leadership and play designing skills of Jason Kidd. Liviningston actually has the intangibles of Jason kidd at the point guard position mentally. Wall rates as 4 at best 5 in term of his mental aptitude for play designing and people that will never improve. Having Wall with outstanding physical gifts put poor to average mental play designing ability and pairing him with a genius mentally in livingston who doesn't have the physical attributes of wall is the most important move that Leonsis can make this year in terms of changing the wizards culture for years to come.
Having Liviningston and Wall develop a longterm point guard relationship which is invested in the wizards longterm is the only way to build a strong foundation that will allow the wizards to address on a nightly basis the intellectual demands of adjusting to opposing defenses and adapting offenses.
the wizards have a unique situation that is perfect for wall/livingston. there are less than 3 teams in the league who have dynamic point guard with great personality traits but who only lacks point guard basketball iq. Wall wants to be great but he will never be gifted mentally. Livingston may want to be a starter but he will never be a starter physically because one wrong move and his knee may go out. Both of these players if attached to each other longterm have a multiplier effect. Livingston is probably the highest basketball iq player of his generation and has already demonstrated his last stint hear of dramatically improving player values. The problem last time was that he wanted to be a starter, if Leonsis can use his business skills to commit livingston longterm, he instantly transforms wall into a hall of famer.

It's that simple people. Grunfeld can't be trusted to sign livingston longterm before Livingston's value skyrocketed with the wizards. Leonsis must do all in his power to sign livingston longterm before his value skyrockets. Livingston true value is the leadership and basketball iq he brings to the organization and livingston is the type of player you want retiring as wizard and becoming a coach one day.

Leonsis, you have the power now build a long term winner. Don't follow Grunfeld and let the market price dictate what you pay livingston. Pay him to keep him here as a wizard now becomes the quicker Livingston feels he is longterm piece the wizards, the quicker he grants the organization his genius point guard aptitude and the fans begin to enjoy high iq basketball once again. LEONSIS, its all up to you.


Everybody in the league knows it except the wizards. I compare it to Perry Jones III the entire league passed on him knowing that the best situation for him would be with his idol Kevin Durant who has the exact same body type and playing style. The highest change of transforming Perry Jones into a valuable asset would be pairing him in the right situation longterm. Drafting Perry Jones without a model is basically throwing money into the fire instead of a upgraded screen for an arena.
same situation with wall, wall will be heavily devalued over payed assets without the right longterm conditions. He needs a jason kidd like longterm backup and that backup needs to invested for multiple season in order to be motivated to invest in wall mentally. Leonsis, invest in Singleton and make him a pillar. If you want wall to continue to be a shooting guard playing point guard and continue for the team to now evolve from season to season in terms of overall basketball iq, don't sign livingston and wait for him to bolt at the end of season instead of him spending the offseason with wall working on diagnosing defenses and designing plays for the upcoming season.
Grunfeld has not shown this insight in terms of basketball making decisions which is why we need Leonsis to swoop in now and be the savior. Otherwise, expect decades of continued mediocrity.
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Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thread

Postby Nivek on Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:15 am

WizarDynasty wrote:The most important job now is the sign livingston to a longterm contract as the backup point guard and allow Livingston to be a foundational player for years to come. if we can get livingston to sign a longterm backup contract it will encourage him to develop walls basketball iq and improve the basketball iq of our athletic low basketball iq players just as he didn't te last time he was here.

Leonsis has the realize that Grunfeld failed to sign lviningston longterm the last time he was here and Leonsis should gambe that Grunfeld will repeat the same mistake he made last time with livingston. Livingston's value is that he has genius Jason Kidd like point guard mind and has the aptitude, intelligence, and leadership to design plays in the film room against opposing defenses nightly. Livingston's instincts, diagnostics, skills and passing ability are almost Jason Kidd like rating 9.5 out of 10. Wall will never come to close to Livingston has far has basketball iq and is more a tony parker clone. Tony parker only became successful because Pop forced kept him on a tight leash and turned him into a system point guard. Parker still isn't a high BBIQ player he just knows POPs system very well and he doesn't have the leadership and play designing skills of Jason Kidd. Liviningston actually has the intangibles of Jason kidd at the point guard position mentally. Wall rates as 4 at best 5 in term of his mental aptitude for play designing and people that will never improve. Having Wall with outstanding physical gifts put poor to average mental play designing ability and pairing him with a genius mentally in livingston who doesn't have the physical attributes of wall is the most important move that Leonsis can make this year in terms of changing the wizards culture for years to come.

Having Liviningston and Wall develop a longterm point guard relationship which is invested in the wizards longterm is the only way to build a strong foundation that will allow the wizards to address on a nightly basis the intellectual demands of adjusting to opposing defenses and adapting offenses.

the wizards have a unique situation that is perfect for wall/livingston. there are less than 3 teams in the league who have dynamic point guard with great personality traits but who only lacks point guard basketball iq. Wall wants to be great but he will never be gifted mentally. Livingston may want to be a starter but he will never be a starter physically because one wrong move and his knee may go out. Both of these players if attached to each other longterm have a multiplier effect. Livingston is probably the highest basketball iq player of his generation and has already demonstrated his last stint hear of dramatically improving player values. The problem last time was that he wanted to be a starter, if Leonsis can use his business skills to commit livingston longterm, he instantly transforms wall into a hall of famer.

It's that simple people. Grunfeld can't be trusted to sign livingston longterm before Livingston's value skyrocketed with the wizards. Leonsis must do all in his power to sign livingston longterm before his value skyrockets. Livingston true value is the leadership and basketball iq he brings to the organization and livingston is the type of player you want retiring as wizard and becoming a coach one day.

Leonsis, you have the power now build a long term winner. Don't follow Grunfeld and let the market price dictate what you pay livingston. Pay him to keep him here as a wizard now becomes the quicker Livingston feels he is longterm piece the wizards, the quicker he grants the organization his genius point guard aptitude and the fans begin to enjoy high iq basketball once again. LEONSIS, its all up to you.

Everybody in the league knows it except the wizards. I compare it to Perry Jones III the entire league passed on him knowing that the best situation for him would be with his idol Kevin Durant who has the exact same body type and playing style. The highest change of transforming Perry Jones into a valuable asset would be pairing him in the right situation longterm. Drafting Perry Jones without a model is basically throwing money into the fire instead of a upgraded screen for an arena.

same situation with wall, wall will be heavily devalued over payed assets without the right longterm conditions. He needs a jason kidd like longterm backup and that backup needs to invested for multiple season in order to be motivated to invest in wall mentally. Leonsis, invest in Singleton and make him a pillar. If you want wall to continue to be a shooting guard playing point guard and continue for the team to now evolve from season to season in terms of overall basketball iq, don't sign livingston and wait for him to bolt at the end of season instead of him spending the offseason with wall working on diagnosing defenses and designing plays for the upcoming season.

Grunfeld has not shown this insight in terms of basketball making decisions which is why we need Leonsis to swoop in now and be the savior. Otherwise, expect decades of continued mediocrity.


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Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thread

Postby cdouglas on Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:45 am

I wonder if Phil Jackson is interested in a GM position. At least he knows what it takes to build a winning team.
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Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thread

Postby payitforward on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:45 am

WizarDynasty wrote:The most important job now is the sign livingston to a longterm contract as the backup point guard and allow Livingston to be a foundational player for years to come.

On the assumption that this is humor not a bad reaction to medication, I'd like to mention that we could also try using Pin the Tail on the Donkey to pick players. It works equally well for the draft, trades and Free Agency. I'm not sure it's the optimal strategy -- only that it's better than our current one.

Don't even have to fire Grunfield -- use him as the donkey....
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Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thread

Postby Higga on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:49 am

cdouglas wrote:I wonder if Phil Jackson is interested in a GM position. At least he knows what it takes to build a winning team.


He hasn't built ****. He just hops onto teams already loaded w/ talent.

Hire a young up and comer from the Spurs organization.
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Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thread

Postby dobrojim on Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:24 pm

my email to Ted

Hi Mr Leonsis,

FYI - my birthday is Jan 10. Just wondering if we'll have a home
win (The Wizards) by then.

At what point will the architect of this disaster, Ernie Grunfeld,
be held accountable?

Had to wear a paper bag on my head last night at the game.
Sorry, but that's what it's come to, and I've been a Bullets-Wizards
fan for 45 years (since I was 10 years old). I expect I won't be the
only one at the next game. Someone needs to know that WE (fans)
know what we are watching is not acceptable. As a fan behind
was shouting Sat night, we deserve better than this.

You're the one in position to take the first step.

We're waiting.

sincerely yours

edit to add - NOW I learn he turned off his TheWashWiz email account. Oh well.
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Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thread

Postby closg00 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:41 pm

Can Ted make money with near-empty arenas, but sell-out games for the Lakers/Heat etc?
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Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thread

Postby AFM on Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:48 pm

Ted has 100 billion dollars.
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Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thread

Postby dobrojim on Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:03 pm

I don't believe that's right...according to at least one source I found,
his net worth is like 1 billion

Not sure anyone on the planet has a net worth of $100 B.

I think the Koch bros combined had a net worth a year or 2 ago of around 45B

http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/

No one has 100 Billion
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Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thread

Postby Nivek on Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:06 pm

The CBA virtually guarantees that any team can make money -- even if attendance sucks.
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Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thread

Postby dobrojim on Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:12 pm

players with guaranteed contracts don't do too badly either

compared to most people...
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