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Post#526 Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thre
Mon Dec 3, 2012 12:27 pm by TGW

I feel bad for Wall, because the organization is really pushing this "John Wall cures all" agenda on the fans. The only problem is that Wall is nowhere close to a finished product, and he has holes in his game just like every other player on this team.

So Vesely and Ariza's entire existence is predicated on John Wall being out there, and if he isn't playing, they are virtually useless...or this is what the FO is saying. That IMO, is an indictment of the incompetence of Grunfeld and Ted if this is truly the case...instead of getting good basketball players (as Nivek has been saying), they are getting players that do one or two things well in relation to another player. It makes no sense though...what if Wall demands a trade or gets injured again? It basically means Vesely and Ariza are completely useless and serve no purpose on this team.

I judt don't get it.
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Post#527 Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thre
Mon Dec 3, 2012 1:16 pm by pancakes3

Agreed. A team isn't a rube goldberg machine. If two of your players are woefully inadequate except in one specific aspect (and they're not even THAT effective when fast breaking) then those two players are the epitome of expendable - not core pieces that you pay mid-6 and upwards of 7 figures for.
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Post#528 Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thre
Mon Dec 3, 2012 1:34 pm by Nivek

Just did my weekly update of the numbers over at the blog -- http://broomonthewarpath.sportsblog.com ... zards.html

Think about this: Leonsis is selling the notion that the team is building around these "developing" young players who they've acquired the past 3 years. Keeping in mind that average in my rating system is 100 and replacement level is 60, here's where this young core rates so far this season:

- Booker -- 85
- Crawford -- 74
- Beal -- 49
- Singleton -- 46
- Seraphin -- 32
- Vesely -- -9

Now THAT'S a foundation for winning!
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Post#529 Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thre
Mon Dec 3, 2012 1:43 pm by DCZards

Ves was drafted too high. He certainly was not worthy of the 6th pick. His offensive skills are putrid. But I also agree with those, like ccj, who argue that Ves can be a contributor if given decent minutes. With his size, athleticism, hustle and BB IQ, Ves is the kind of guy who can impact the game without scoring, which I've seen him do in the past. The kid needs more minutes and I'm disappointed that Witt is not giving him more PT.

I don't blame the Zards front office for Ves shortcomings or the fact that they traded for players who are getting minutes that Ves might be getting. Ves should earn his minutes just like everyone else. But it is kind of hard for him to earn those minutes when in recent games he's not getting any PT whatsoever.
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Post#530 Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thre
Mon Dec 3, 2012 1:57 pm by Nivek

I'm confused. Vesely should earn his minutes, but he can't earn his minutes because he's not being GIVEN playing time? What?

Vesely has earned a seat on the bench by playing badly. Despite Ted's assertion that Vesely is "fundamentally sound" Vesely is lacking in basic basketball skills.

And while I don't blame the Wizards front office for Vesely lacking these skills, I do blame them for picking him 6th in the draft despite the fact that he was so lacking in basketball fundamentals.
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Post#531 Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thre
Mon Dec 3, 2012 2:01 pm by Chocolate City Jordanaire

I blame the Zards front office for being math-challenged. I wonder if Ernie had a coed taking his college algebra classes online posing as him (J/K -- there were no online courses or email in my day and I'm younger than EG).

Why do I say the Zards FO is math-challenged? They cannot count to 96 nor can they divide 96. PF and C only permit 96 minutes of play in a game. If you have three players sharing equally, that's 32 minutes each of play. If two players play 30 minutes, that leaves 36 minutes for everyone else.

Ted/EG had Nene. Boom. There goes 30 minutes. Here's where the math is involved. If the FO wanted to develop their young big players, they would have counted three: Seraphin, Booker, and Vesely. Those guys would have been okay with the other 66 minutes. Twenty-two minutes each on average, and they're good. Seraphin, however, was coming off of 16-straight double doubles last season. I think he probably figured to be 30-minute player. Also, Booker was coming off injury and he had played 30-minutes when Blatche was benched. Expectation for Booker was certainly more than 15 minutes here and there. And what about Vesely? The FO should have been think math and minutes.

Instead, they counted 1 and 2. Ted/EG felt really smart getting two for one when they traded Lewis for Okariza. But guess who became a starter by virtue of his age, experience, and CONTRACT? Okafor bumped the guys fighting for scraps of minutes.

Now, it's all Vesely's fault. He sucks. Seraphin is a shot jacker. Nivek shows above just what has happened to the young players. Negative growth. The day he made the Okafor/Ariza trade I posted that the Wizards would win less games and players would be pinched for minutes. It would ruin some careers.

Ted/EG are math challenged. They could not count to 96 or divide or forward-think. There is no way what they did will work. Ted and EG have a bond but they're doing some bad stuff and they cannot add.

(Chris Singleton playing PF splits those minutes even more BTW. Vesely needs to request a trade IMO).
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Post#532 Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thre
Mon Dec 3, 2012 2:02 pm by DCZards

Nivek wrote:I'm confused. Vesely should earn his minutes, but he can't earn his minutes because he's not being GIVEN playing time? What?.


No need to be confused. My point is that with some limited playing time (say 8-10 minutes), which he is not currently getting, I believe Ves will earn even more minutes...maybe 20-22 minutes a game. Hope that clears it up...but, then again, maybe it won't.
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Post#533 Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thre
Mon Dec 3, 2012 3:08 pm by queridiculo

We basically did start over, building a roster from scratch and a team that evolved around athleticism, running and two players – Nene and Wall – who have special skills and can make players around them fit in and play better team ball.


Even assuming this is accurate, which it is not in my opinion, nobody outside of Wall and perhaps Vesely necessarily sticks out as an elite athlete for their position, is he really suggesting that building a team around the ability to run a fast break is the key to longterm success?

Ted is talking so much nonsense, it's hard to take that drivel as anything but an insult to the loyal fans of this terribly run franchise.

What this team needs isn't support from the fans, it's a coherent strategy that's built on a little more than hope and prayers.
..let's keep in mind that while the Wizards were trading for Okafor and Ariza, giving away a draft pick and cap room, bypassing the free agent market and rejecting a trade for Harden, Leonsis was publicly congratulating himself for being smart. - Nivek
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Post#534 Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thre
Mon Dec 3, 2012 3:10 pm by Illuminaire

I think want DCZards is suggesting is reasonable. I like the idea of giving all of our youngsters a limited, defined role and a small number of guaranteed minutes. I'd like them to know that as long as they try hard and go at it in practice, those minutes will not decrease... but they will only increase if they earn it via consistent production and strong play.

We're not exactly contending, so there's no reason not to spend some player minutes on developmental activities.
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Post#535 Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thre
Mon Dec 3, 2012 6:02 pm by TGW

DCZards wrote:
Nivek wrote:I'm confused. Vesely should earn his minutes, but he can't earn his minutes because he's not being GIVEN playing time? What?.


No need to be confused. My point is that with some limited playing time (say 8-10 minutes), which he is not currently getting, I believe Ves will earn even more minutes...maybe 20-22 minutes a game. Hope that clears it up...but, then again, maybe it won't.


He hasn't earned 8-10 minutes, let alone 20-22.
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Post#536 Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thre
Mon Dec 3, 2012 6:10 pm by verbal8

Nivek wrote:Vesely is fundamentally sound? Sure. As long as shooting, dribbling and maintaining position inside aren't fundamentals.

Other than actual basketball skills, Vesely is fundamentally sound.


He does well with the McGee fundamentals running, jumping and being tall. Agreed about actual basketball fundamentals.
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Post#537 Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thre
Mon Dec 3, 2012 7:19 pm by Earth2Ted

Here's something that makes Ernie and the Wiz front office look even worse on Vesely- they fell in love with the guy the year BEFORE he was drafted and were thinking of drafting him in 2010 had he stayed in the draft, and had we not won the John Wall lottery.

So we can't even say, well, in 2011 we reluctantly took him because Ernie's guy got stolen a pick or two ahead of us! Nope, the player eval screw up goes back to the year before, and given a year to come to our senses and see that the kid had no hands and no skills... that's pretty much the definition of same s**T, different year.

Here's a question for NCAA B-ball aficionados - if Vesely had come to the US as a freshman and played college ball, who would he be? An anorexic Miles Plumlee, maybe?

That's who we snagged with our #6 lottery pick last year.
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Post#538 Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thre
Mon Dec 3, 2012 8:32 pm by MF23

Don't play Vesely for the next few games. Then give him a shot and see what he does. He needs to get a message and Wall should be back by then. That's what should be done with a player playing as bad as Vesely.

From my perspective I don't think Vesely has the confidence to play in the NBA. He looks like a different person compared to his Euro clips. It's too bad, I thought his confidence would be the one thing to project him when he was drafted.
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Post#539 Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thre
Mon Dec 3, 2012 8:38 pm by Chocolate City Jordanaire

Send Vesely to D-League -- A suggestion I have heard from others and agree with.

Hasheem Thabeet played a bit in the D-League after he was less-than-spectucular as the 2009, #2 overall pick.

OKC likes what they are getting from him now off their bench.
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Post#540 Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thre
Tue Dec 4, 2012 10:38 am by LyricalRico

MF23 wrote:From my perspective I don't think Vesely has the confidence to play in the NBA. He looks like a different person compared to his Euro clips. It's too bad, I thought his confidence would be the one thing to project him when he was drafted.


Agreed. He's not the same guy he was across the pond. I also agree with CCJ that his performance is just screaming "send me to the D-League". But the WIz seem do not see any value in that. I know that was one thing I was hoping would change once Ted took over, that the team would begin to use the D-League more but it just hasn't happened.
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Post#541 Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thre
Tue Dec 4, 2012 10:43 am by Nivek

His Euro clips are highlights. Everyone looks confident in highlights.

I don't think Vesely's problem is confidence. His problem is skill.

He has athletic ability, but no game. If he works on his basketball skills, he'll become a better basketball player -- maybe even a decent NBA player.
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Post#542 Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thre
Tue Dec 4, 2012 12:08 pm by tontoz

When Vesely was across the pond he was a lousy shooter and lousy rebounder just like he is now. More playing time isn't going to help him hit the rim on a foul shot/jumper.
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Post#543 Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thre
Tue Dec 4, 2012 1:40 pm by MF23

Nivek wrote:His Euro clips are highlights. Everyone looks confident in highlights.

I don't think Vesely's problem is confidence. His problem is skill.

He has athletic ability, but no game. If he works on his basketball skills, he'll become a better basketball player -- maybe even a decent NBA player.


My initial post in the Jan Vesely thread agreed with what your saying. I believe it was about him not having the skill to be a forward but his confidence can fuel him to improve. Right now he won't use his athleticism to be a threat on offense. I've seen several times in which he's had open lanes to the basket and he's not aggressive enough to take it and finish strong. You can get extended clips of anyone online if they've played at high level. I've watched him play a game in Europe-just ff the times when he's out- and he was much more aggressive on the court. He wasn't skillful in the sense of denying the post or sealing off his man to get an entry pass but he did attack the basket and offensive boards with aggression I have yet to see in the NBA.

As far as skill vs confidence I've seen a bunch of dudes who could ball in practice but when the pressure was on they'd get real tight. Conelly's working with him on skills but it doesn't matter if he doesn't have the confidence to use it in a game.
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Post#544 Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thre
Tue Dec 4, 2012 2:03 pm by Dat2U

Vesely will likely regain confidence once he goes back to being a role player in Europe.

If I was GM, he'd be off the roster in two weeks, maybe less.
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Post#545 Re: The Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thre
Tue Dec 4, 2012 2:26 pm by nate33

Dat2U wrote:Vesely will likely regain confidence once he goes back to being a role player in Europe.

If I was GM, he'd be off the roster in two weeks, maybe less.

If I was GM, I'd tell my coach to bury him on the bench until Wall gets back. When Wall gets back, we will hopefully see the Vesely of last year, which wasn't very good, but at least had enough redeeming qualities that some other team might be fooled into trading a late pick for him. I would then trade him for the best offer.

So in a nutshell, he'd be off the roster in about six weeks, not two weeks. :D
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