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Re: The Ultra Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thread 

Post#646 » by hands11 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:40 pm

LyricalRico wrote:^ Yes, Abe was the majority owner at the time, but wasn't Ted the one who brought MJ in? IIRC Ted had already bought the Caps from Abe and he was trying to build the Wizards brand in preparation for taking them over upon Abe's death.

But either way, my point was that Phil wouldn't want to be viewed as doing the same thing MJ did with the same team. Maybe he'd do it somewhere else, but not in DC IMO.


I think you are right that it was Ted, which makes it potentially more probable that he would be interested in doing this. Obviously he thinks that way since he did it once before. What I don't know is to what degree Ted was involved in kicking MJ to the curb. If that was more Abe then him, then maybe he would try it again. A lot would depend on how clean Teds hands are regarding the MJ thing.

If he was able to land MJ. Maybe he has the skills to land Phil. I know it is a long shot but it is the hot topic at hand.

There are some similarities between where the franchise was then and now only I think they are in a better situation now then they were then. The have picks and better assets.

EG would get moved into more of a contract guy ala George Allen. Phil would direct the franchise. Phil would be great for Wall and Nene and he has the Trevor A connection. And Phil could help pull in the right coach after evaluating Randy.

This is exactly the kind of splash Ted needs to make to get this thing turned around. Its a long shot but it is potentially doable. The Washington/Baltimore/Frederick/Virginia/DE market is potentially HUGE. I would offer Phil part ownership.
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Post#647 » by payitforward » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:02 pm

LyricalRico wrote:^ Yes, Abe was the majority owner at the time, but wasn't Ted the one who brought MJ in? IIRC Ted had already bought the Caps from Abe and he was trying to build the Wizards brand in preparation for taking them over upon Abe's death.

But either way, my point was that Phil wouldn't want to be viewed as doing the same thing MJ did with the same team. Maybe he'd do it somewhere else, but not in DC IMO.

In other words, you think he wouldn't do a financial deal in which he stood to make a huge amount of money doing something for which he has demonstrated skills, because he "wouldn't want to be viewed as..." whatever? Really?

But I doubt it's on offer.
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Re: The Ultra Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thread 

Post#648 » by pancakes3 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:25 pm

Phil is a pipe dream but it's a nice pipe dream. He wants ownership stakes, GM powers, but unfortunately what he really wants is another ring.
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Post#649 » by BigA » Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:49 pm

Phil Jackson is only going to a team set up to make a run at a championship. So not the Wizards, not the Nets.
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Post#650 » by Halcyon » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:08 pm

Well, I never thought MJ would play for the Wizards, so I guess anything is possible. But I do think that not only do we need a good GM to buy the groceries, we need a whole culture change. Having an established winner like Phil be the president would set the tone from the top down.
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Post#651 » by GhostsOfGil » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:37 pm

Phil Jackson in DC is the epitome of a pipe dream. We all know how Ted is and seeing how he's rejected every sensible move, I doubt he even considers the idea. :(
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Post#652 » by miller31time » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:45 pm

Honestly, not even looking at the myriad of basketball reasons Phil would never consider this team, he'd almost certainly reject an offer just based on the fact that our team name is "Wizards" -- what a stupid team name.
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Post#653 » by closg00 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:42 pm

GhostsOfGil wrote:Phil Jackson in DC is the epitome of a pipe dream. We all know how Ted is and seeing how he's rejected every sensible move, I doubt he even considers the idea. :(


Ted wouldn't accept the calls of potential GM candidates who were calling him when Ernie's contract was up for renewal, what does that tell you about Ted?
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Post#654 » by GhostsOfGil » Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:46 pm

closg00 wrote:
GhostsOfGil wrote:Phil Jackson in DC is the epitome of a pipe dream. We all know how Ted is and seeing how he's rejected every sensible move, I doubt he even considers the idea. :(


Ted wouldn't accept the calls of potential GM candidates who were calling him when Ernie's contract was up for renewal, what does that tell you about Ted?


Yup, I was actually thinking about that as I wrote that post.
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Post#655 » by DCsOwn » Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:52 pm

miller31time wrote:Honestly, not even looking at the myriad of basketball reasons Phil would never consider this team, he'd almost certainly reject an offer just based on the fact that our team name is "Wizards" -- what a stupid team name.


Why I'm rooting for New Orleans to adopt the team name Pelicans. At least then we'd only have the second dumbest team name in league. The Wizards. We were that obsessed with an alliterative handle that we **** stooped to the Wizards?

Also, count me out in terms of wanting Phil coaching or running this team in any capacity. This team could desperately use the cache his name would bring, but I want a relatively young, highly thought of personnel man that's apprenticed under some executive thats competent in his role with a successful team. I want a dynamic thinker, someone willing to be creative and someone completely consumed with turning the Wizards around and making a name for himself through doing just that.

I think it was Aldridge that reported that agents for myriad candidates that fit that description called Leonsis to inquire about the availability of the job here . Aldridge insinuated that immediately after Leonsis acquired the team, multiple agents saw this as a plum spot for their clients because of the market and the assumed positive thrust of a new ownership group. Remember, this is a huge market, gargantuan if you included what could potentially be in it's purview if this craptastic organization had any appeal to more than just the die-hards in the Wash/Balt region which is the fourth most densely populated region in the country, and that doesnt include what could potentially be within our footprint in central and southern Virginia. The DC market alone is a tremendously affluent market that is growing at an exponential rate, it's a market with cache and pop because of the importance, history and cultural significance of DC to our country and it's a market in which professional basketball should thrive when you look at things from a demographic perspective and the fact that basketball in every level has resonance here. AAU and highschool basketball is terrific here. Georgetown and Maryland are national brands etc.

It's obviously not clear whether or not those agents still view this gig quite that positively considering the **** that has transpired since then, but even if they don't, there are only 30 of those jobs available. It shouldn't be difficult at all to sell someone on this position if Leonsis can convince them that he is truly interested in winning.
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Post#656 » by Nivek » Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:15 pm

Pelicans is a better team name than Wizards.
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Post#657 » by Induveca » Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:33 pm

GhostsOfGil wrote:Phil Jackson in DC is the epitome of a pipe dream. We all know how Ted is and seeing how he's rejected every sensible move, I doubt he even considers the idea. :(


Wouldn't happen anyways. Leonsis was around during the hiring/questionable firing of Jordan. From all reports, it seems Jackson/Jordan are still quite close.

The Jordan axeing wasn't all Pollin sadly enough. Leonsis was involved, it was Leonsis after all who initially lured MJ to DC.
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Post#658 » by hands11 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:40 pm

Halcyon wrote:Well, I never thought MJ would play for the Wizards, so I guess anything is possible. But I do think that not only do we need a good GM to buy the groceries, we need a whole culture change. Having an established winner like Phil be the president would set the tone from the top down.


Yes it would. Make it happen Ted.
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Re: The Ultra Amazingly Sucky Theodore Leonsis Thread 

Post#659 » by hands11 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:42 pm

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GhostsOfGil wrote:Phil Jackson in DC is the epitome of a pipe dream. We all know how Ted is and seeing how he's rejected every sensible move, I doubt he even considers the idea. :(


Ted wouldn't accept the calls of potential GM candidates who were calling him when Ernie's contract was up for renewal, what does that tell you about Ted?


He wouldnt be the GM. He would be VP and part owner. Or whatever title they wanted to give him. You can add Phil while EG is still living out his two year contract. EG become the fella to works the contracts. More like Allen on the Skins. Then you move him if you want when his contract is up and Phil starts to populate the front office with Phil people.
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Post#660 » by montestewart » Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:45 pm

Induveca wrote:
GhostsOfGil wrote:Phil Jackson in DC is the epitome of a pipe dream. We all know how Ted is and seeing how he's rejected every sensible move, I doubt he even considers the idea. :(


Wouldn't happen anyways. Leonsis was around during the hiring/questionable firing of Jordan. From all reports, it seems Jackson/Jordan are still quite close.

The Jordan axeing wasn't all Pollin sadly enough. Leonsis was involved, it was Leonsis after all who initially lured MJ to DC.

I recall a description of the meeting in which Pollin fired Jordan, and it sounded like the move blindsided Leonsis. Don't know how true that is.
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Post#661 » by hands11 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:50 pm

Nivek wrote:Pelicans is a better team name than Wizards.


Pelicans is the dumbest name I have ever heard.

That is ridiculously stupid.

Why would the go from OKC Thunder to Pelicans

Wizards is actually not that bad a name. It has grown on me. I like it better then the Bullets. I wouldn't change it if I was Ted. Washington Wizards works pretty good. Specially if they start winning. So much play you can get off of that name. Bullets is kind of lamn if you ask me.

But if they do it, we should definitely go with Washington Beavers. The marketing opportunities are endless.


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Post#662 » by AFM » Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:43 pm

Hands I hate to break it to you but Pelicans in New Orlean's new name, not OKC.
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Post#663 » by LyricalRico » Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:30 pm

AFM wrote:Hands I hate to break it to you but Pelicans in New Orlean's new name, not OKC.


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Post#664 » by Halcyon » Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:53 pm

No idea where hands' mind went there lol.
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Post#665 » by hands11 » Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:32 pm

AFM wrote:Hands I hate to break it to you but Pelicans in New Orlean's new name, not OKC.


Oh, right. lol

So they are going to be NOP ? Yeah, that works.

Still, what about the Beavers. :D
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