I Still Hate The System
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 2:00 am
I hate it, I hate it, I hate it. I cant watch it anymore. He has to go. Do you guys remember me making that long thread before the season about Flip's system? Mostly about the pick & roll. How Flip seemingly runs it different then every team in the league. You have to pay attention. Again, I think its the reason why Gil sucked last year, Foye sucked, and even Livingston sucked before we changed to that 2 guard Offense late in the year and its the same with Wall. He will never be great with Flip unless he turns into a great mid range jump shooter but even then he wont be what he could be.
Sure he will get a million assist but most of them are halfway fake. Its like when Gil started racking up assist last year. Most of them were just basic passes. In a ton of games Wall might have 8ast in the 1st half and if you read our opponents message board, they are always shocked because it doesnt seem like he's doing much or has hardly any assist. Its because of Flips crap. Sure Wall will play great sometimes just because he's special but he wont be even a quarter what he could be with the right coach.
Again for me, it all goes back to our picks. When EJ was here, our #1 play was like most teams #1 play. Gil would run a pick with Wood or AJ. He would get so close & tight to Wood that sometimes he would grab Wood's jersey and use it as a sling shot. Then he was one on one with the Center which is usually a layup or a foul. Once teams try to overextend to help, then you can drive & kick. Its the samething even guys like Wade do that makes him unstoppable and why they won the Finals. Not Us.
Instead our big sets the screen like 2 feet in front of Wall and most of the time they leave before he even gets all the way there and they definitely leave before he gets past them. I get Flip's system. He probably comes from an old old skool where the PG was supposed to just facilitate. He was the worst scorer on the team so his job is just supposed to get it to everyone else but thats not the case with us. Gil was our best scorer, Foye is a good scorer in the right situation, and Wall would be unstoppable if we ran the pick & roll like that. He would probably get to the line 10x a game.
Ive overlooked it since I made my last thread due to the fact that I thought Wall was more of a passer so its not a bad thing for us to always give it back to Dray or NY or whoever but its crap. People who arent seeing anything special from Wall, this is why. He has no J but in Flip's system, its the only shot a PG can really get. Like I said about Gil & Foye. The only shot they took 90% of the time was the quick pull up J off the pick but even that isnt high percentage because the defender is running right at you when you are shooting it. It seems hurried all the time.
Recently I started watching our pick & rolls again after not doing it much all year and its the same. The only reason why Wall is even doing anything is because he's probably the fastest guy in the league. Without that then he would have no chance to get to the rim. You cant get to the rim consistently as a PG in Flip's system. Its so easy for the D to stop you unless you force it but then the whole D can see it coming so its a very hard layup to make. Im watching the Boston game tonight and I see it again. I watched a play where he ran a pick & roll with Dray and defending them were KG & Rondo. Dray was 2ft away from him, making it easy for KG to step in front of Dray to shield Wall's view and then Rondo can go under the screen because he knows Wall doesnt want to shoot the J. Then 1 split second later Rondo is back in front of Wall.
Even if he had took the J it wouldve been kinda long with Rondo close and getting closer. Then another play it was McGee setting the screen, again 2ft in front of Wall and he took off before Wall even got to him. Trust me, that is by design. Since he took off, Nate Robinson was still right on Wall as McGee never really even picked him. Then since nothing opened up, Wall went back the other way over another pick with Yi and again its such a big gap that Nate is still on him and Wall ends up taking a bad J. Its crap. Not only that but because of the picks and the design or the play, Wall hardly ever attacks off of it, even though he has crazy speed. Just like Gil or Foye didnt Most of the time they dont even look to score. They just go sideways looking to pass to guys off the curl or give it back to the guy that set the pick.
Sure he will get a million assist but most of them are halfway fake. Its like when Gil started racking up assist last year. Most of them were just basic passes. In a ton of games Wall might have 8ast in the 1st half and if you read our opponents message board, they are always shocked because it doesnt seem like he's doing much or has hardly any assist. Its because of Flips crap. Sure Wall will play great sometimes just because he's special but he wont be even a quarter what he could be with the right coach.
Again for me, it all goes back to our picks. When EJ was here, our #1 play was like most teams #1 play. Gil would run a pick with Wood or AJ. He would get so close & tight to Wood that sometimes he would grab Wood's jersey and use it as a sling shot. Then he was one on one with the Center which is usually a layup or a foul. Once teams try to overextend to help, then you can drive & kick. Its the samething even guys like Wade do that makes him unstoppable and why they won the Finals. Not Us.
Instead our big sets the screen like 2 feet in front of Wall and most of the time they leave before he even gets all the way there and they definitely leave before he gets past them. I get Flip's system. He probably comes from an old old skool where the PG was supposed to just facilitate. He was the worst scorer on the team so his job is just supposed to get it to everyone else but thats not the case with us. Gil was our best scorer, Foye is a good scorer in the right situation, and Wall would be unstoppable if we ran the pick & roll like that. He would probably get to the line 10x a game.
Ive overlooked it since I made my last thread due to the fact that I thought Wall was more of a passer so its not a bad thing for us to always give it back to Dray or NY or whoever but its crap. People who arent seeing anything special from Wall, this is why. He has no J but in Flip's system, its the only shot a PG can really get. Like I said about Gil & Foye. The only shot they took 90% of the time was the quick pull up J off the pick but even that isnt high percentage because the defender is running right at you when you are shooting it. It seems hurried all the time.
Recently I started watching our pick & rolls again after not doing it much all year and its the same. The only reason why Wall is even doing anything is because he's probably the fastest guy in the league. Without that then he would have no chance to get to the rim. You cant get to the rim consistently as a PG in Flip's system. Its so easy for the D to stop you unless you force it but then the whole D can see it coming so its a very hard layup to make. Im watching the Boston game tonight and I see it again. I watched a play where he ran a pick & roll with Dray and defending them were KG & Rondo. Dray was 2ft away from him, making it easy for KG to step in front of Dray to shield Wall's view and then Rondo can go under the screen because he knows Wall doesnt want to shoot the J. Then 1 split second later Rondo is back in front of Wall.
Even if he had took the J it wouldve been kinda long with Rondo close and getting closer. Then another play it was McGee setting the screen, again 2ft in front of Wall and he took off before Wall even got to him. Trust me, that is by design. Since he took off, Nate Robinson was still right on Wall as McGee never really even picked him. Then since nothing opened up, Wall went back the other way over another pick with Yi and again its such a big gap that Nate is still on him and Wall ends up taking a bad J. Its crap. Not only that but because of the picks and the design or the play, Wall hardly ever attacks off of it, even though he has crazy speed. Just like Gil or Foye didnt Most of the time they dont even look to score. They just go sideways looking to pass to guys off the curl or give it back to the guy that set the pick.