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Post#1396 » by Knighthonor » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:52 am

So when are you all going to admit Jan Vesely is a bust?
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Post#1397 » by montestewart » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:55 am

I'm holding out until you admit EG is a 38DDD
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Post#1398 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:26 pm

Knighthonor wrote:So when are you all going to admit Jan Vesely is a bust?


It's sad because I think Vesely is more so proof that Ernie Grunfeld is a bust. Vesely would've been a nicer addition had he been picked at 17, somewhere around the spot Seraphin was selected.

Had the 6th pick been used correctly the Wizards would have the core of the starting lineup complete right now, instead the team is still missing that piece.

Lebron, Wade, Bosh

Durant, Harden, Westbrook

Wall, Beal, ???

I hope I don't have to look at Grunfeld violently chewing his stupid gum, wearing that stupid poker face in D.C. for too much longer when everyone knows he doesn't measure up to other GM's . Pull off another lopsided trade that favors the Wizards and then be gone.
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Post#1399 » by noworriesinmd » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:09 pm

Knighthonor wrote:So when are you all going to admit Jan Vesely is a bust?


I disagree he is a bust, Ernie's plan is working perfectly.

1. Get as many ping pong balls as you can in 2012/13
2. Draft the most memorable kisser in draft history
3. Make sure Washington is not a top tier FA destination, because we "MIGHT" get knuckleheads

Vesely is just a bust using the above.
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Re: Jan Vesely 

Post#1400 » by closg00 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:06 pm

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:So when are you all going to admit Jan Vesely is a bust?


It's sad because I think Vesely is more so proof that Ernie Grunfeld is a bust. Vesely would've been a nicer addition had he been picked at 17, somewhere around the spot Seraphin was selected.

Had the 6th pick been used correctly the Wizards would have the core of the starting lineup complete right now, instead the team is still missing that piece.

Lebron, Wade, Bosh

Durant, Harden, Westbrook

Wall, Beal, ???

I hope I don't have to look at Grunfeld violently chewing his stupid gum, wearing that stupid poker face in D.C. for too much longer when everyone knows he doesn't measure up to other GM's . Pull off another lopsided trade that favors the Wizards and then be gone.


Jan Vesely wouldn't have been a good pick at 17 either, he is 2nd round material at-best because he has no basketball skills.
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Re: Jan Vesely 

Post#1401 » by hands11 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:43 pm

Knighthonor wrote:So when are you all going to admit Jan Vesely is a bust?


After 8 games into his second season when all the team had at PG Price with Pargo backing him up. That would be a good time.
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Post#1402 » by hands11 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:00 pm

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:So when are you all going to admit Jan Vesely is a bust?


It's sad because I think Vesely is more so proof that Ernie Grunfeld is a bust. Vesely would've been a nicer addition had he been picked at 17, somewhere around the spot Seraphin was selected.

Had the 6th pick been used correctly the Wizards would have the core of the starting lineup complete right now, instead the team is still missing that piece.

Lebron, Wade, Bosh

Durant, Harden, Westbrook

Wall, Beal, ???

I hope I don't have to look at Grunfeld violently chewing his stupid gum, wearing that stupid poker face in D.C. for too much longer when everyone knows he doesn't measure up to other GM's . Pull off another lopsided trade that favors the Wizards and then be gone.


Wall, Beal, Nene now

Wall, Beal, Kevin next if he can prove he isn't a baby hughie

future .. They will see what Ves becomes along with Singleton, Booker, Crawford. They will also draft, sign or trade for what they need.

But I forget, the sky is falling so all that is true is the record 7 games into the season. Wall and Nene will never play another NBA game in their lives. Ves is a bust 7 games into his second year without those players. Beal is bust 7 games into his first season at age 19. Kid is washed up.
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Re: Jan Vesely 

Post#1403 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:20 pm

closg00 wrote:
AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:So when are you all going to admit Jan Vesely is a bust?


It's sad because I think Vesely is more so proof that Ernie Grunfeld is a bust. Vesely would've been a nicer addition had he been picked at 17, somewhere around the spot Seraphin was selected.

Had the 6th pick been used correctly the Wizards would have the core of the starting lineup complete right now, instead the team is still missing that piece.

Lebron, Wade, Bosh

Durant, Harden, Westbrook

Wall, Beal, ???

I hope I don't have to look at Grunfeld violently chewing his stupid gum, wearing that stupid poker face in D.C. for too much longer when everyone knows he doesn't measure up to other GM's . Pull off another lopsided trade that favors the Wizards and then be gone.


Jan Vesely wouldn't have been a good pick at 17 either, he is 2nd round material at-best because he has no basketball skills.


His lack of offensive skill is what made the pick at 6 so obviously ridiculous, but I do like Jan Vesely's hustle at that size, at that position, he has good instincts, length and athleticism so I think he was 1st rd worthy. Grunfeld screwed everything up in reaching to replace the intagibles that Andray Blatche lacked---overlooking Vesely's weaknesses and banking on him to develop an all-around game in the process.
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Post#1404 » by Kanyewest » Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:35 pm

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:So when are you all going to admit Jan Vesely is a bust?


It's sad because I think Vesely is more so proof that Ernie Grunfeld is a bust. Vesely would've been a nicer addition had he been picked at 17, somewhere around the spot Seraphin was selected.

Had the 6th pick been used correctly the Wizards would have the core of the starting lineup complete right now, instead the team is still missing that piece.

Lebron, Wade, Bosh

Durant, Harden, Westbrook

Wall, Beal, ???

I hope I don't have to look at Grunfeld violently chewing his stupid gum, wearing that stupid poker face in D.C. for too much longer when everyone knows he doesn't measure up to other GM's . Pull off another lopsided trade that favors the Wizards and then be gone.


While I agree that EG could have done better, it is unreasonable to expect him to get a big 3 of those caliber of OKC or Miami in the last 3 drafts. Even an ideal draft of Wall, Faried, + whoever turns out to be the best wouldn't measure up to those big 3s.
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Post#1405 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:12 pm

hands11 wrote:
AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:So when are you all going to admit Jan Vesely is a bust?


It's sad because I think Vesely is more so proof that Ernie Grunfeld is a bust. Vesely would've been a nicer addition had he been picked at 17, somewhere around the spot Seraphin was selected.

Had the 6th pick been used correctly the Wizards would have the core of the starting lineup complete right now, instead the team is still missing that piece.

Lebron, Wade, Bosh

Durant, Harden, Westbrook

Wall, Beal, ???

I hope I don't have to look at Grunfeld violently chewing his stupid gum, wearing that stupid poker face in D.C. for too much longer when everyone knows he doesn't measure up to other GM's . Pull off another lopsided trade that favors the Wizards and then be gone.


Wall, Beal, Nene now

Wall, Beal, Kevin next

future .. They will see what Ves becomes along with Singleton, Booker, Crawford. They will also draft, sign or trade for what they need.

But I forget, the sky is falling so all that is true is the record 7 games into the season. Wall and Nene will never play another NBA game in their lives. Ves is a bust 7 games into his second year without those players. Beal is bust 7 games into his first season at age 19. Kid is washed up.


The verdict is still out on Vesely ALONE. We know who Singleton, Booker, and Crawford are.
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Post#1406 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:34 pm

Kanyewest wrote:
AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:So when are you all going to admit Jan Vesely is a bust?


It's sad because I think Vesely is more so proof that Ernie Grunfeld is a bust. Vesely would've been a nicer addition had he been picked at 17, somewhere around the spot Seraphin was selected.

Had the 6th pick been used correctly the Wizards would have the core of the starting lineup complete right now, instead the team is still missing that piece.

Lebron, Wade, Bosh

Durant, Harden, Westbrook

Wall, Beal, ???

I hope I don't have to look at Grunfeld violently chewing his stupid gum, wearing that stupid poker face in D.C. for too much longer when everyone knows he doesn't measure up to other GM's . Pull off another lopsided trade that favors the Wizards and then be gone.


While I agree that EG could have done better, it is unreasonable to expect him to get a big 3 of those caliber of OKC or Miami in the last 3 drafts. Even an ideal draft of Wall, Faried, + whoever turns out to be the best wouldn't measure up to those big 3s.


There's nothing that says to me that Wall and Beal can't form a legitimate big 3 in D.C.. That would've been in order had Grunfeld not followed up the drafting of Wall by using the top pick on potential rather than a sure thing. OKC's big three wasn't perfect but they were extremely good, all very talented and all brought in one behind the other. I'm not saying the Wizards could've duplicated OKC's big 3 in productivity but they could've duplicated their model of bringing in unquestioned talent through the draft each year, instead Grunfeld put that on hold by selecting Vesely.
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Post#1407 » by loot » Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:42 pm

Starting tonight.
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Post#1408 » by queridiculo » Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:45 pm

Level of excitement :|

Let's start our worst post defender against one of the better frontcourts in the league. Makes total sense.
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Post#1409 » by loot » Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:57 pm

Kevin still on the bench as well. Meh. :(
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Post#1411 » by WizarDynasty » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:21 pm

he needs serious hand strength. I would spend an hour a day forcing him to palm the ball and then having an assistant knock it out is hand until he can control the ball. Secondly, i would force him to play one one out on the perimeter against a guard 5 hours a day until he can learn to score against defensive pressure on the perimeter.
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Post#1412 » by fishercob » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:26 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:he needs serious hand strength. I would spend an hour a day forcing him to palm the ball and then having an assistant knock it out is hand until he can control the ball. Secondly, i would force him to play one one out on the perimeter against a guard 5 hours a day until he can learn to score against defensive pressure on the perimeter.
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That's kind of a lame analysis, IMO. You need to go into how he'd spend his other 18 hours.
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Post#1413 » by WizarDynasty » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:35 pm

fishercob wrote:
WizarDynasty wrote:he needs serious hand strength. I would spend an hour a day forcing him to palm the ball and then having an assistant knock it out is hand until he can control the ball. Secondly, i would force him to play one one out on the perimeter against a guard 5 hours a day until he can learn to score against defensive pressure on the perimeter.
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That's kind of a lame analysis, IMO. You need to go into how he'd spend his other 18 hours.



Have you seen him attempt a layup, the ball is normally slipping out of his hands because almost zero fine motor coordination skills. i have never seen vesely do a shoulder fake, i have never seen him do a running sky hook. He has extremely poor fine motor coordination skills. He catches the ball wide open and doesn't even force a defender to close on him before he passes the ball. He seem to have bad knees in that he can't get low to the ground and dribble the ball. He needs to spend the other 18 hour playing two on one and should be forced to ride the bench until he can show he has the ability to score on the perimeter against non athletic assistance by putting the ball on the floor. I would like to at least see a driving fade away shot, maybe a turn around shot. Dribble the ball with your left and spin back catching the ball with right hand and continue dribbling to the basket. The same poor fundamentals seems to be apparent with all of our bigmen. Our bigmen have no advanced dribbling moves and seem to never improve. the coach sucked as an offensive player in the nba and doesn't have the instincts to continously improve bigman assets on this team.
Force Vesely to spend all of practice playing two one on against non athletic assistance and it should develop his ball handling and offensive awareness and also allow him to figure out what his inherent advantages are being seven feet tall. He seems to have zero clue as to his physical advantages because he is has been in restricted systems all his life. That's how you unlock Vesely.-- booker...same thing except you force him to score with only his right hand in traffic. Seraphin...same thing as booker, give him the ball out perimeter double teamed and force him to score. after about 3 weeks he will eventually figure out how to improve from perimeter just by being put in this unnatural position he has probably never seen his entire life since only need to stand in one spot and score...Won't work in the NBA longterm. Vesely, Booker, and Seraphin----All needs a creative workout skills improvement regimen and whitman is the wrong man to be in charge of an bigman's offensive development. Wizards needs to see our young bigmen as assets to be developed and if we can' sign them at bargain rate, we develop them and cash them for other assets. having an asset and not develop it means you aren't increasing organizational value.
The policy is sign these assets to cheap contracts as we develop them and if we cant sign them, trade them aka james harden style--- we trade them upgraded for similarly talented talented established veteran. Our assets never increase in value and aren't even desired by the league because of our poor culture.
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Post#1414 » by closg00 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:06 pm

I don't have much hope WizD, I think we have seen the extent of JV's game. I think the only thing we can hope for is for him to increase his shooting in-general and stop immediately looking to pass as-soon as he receives the ball. Basically, JV is afraid to shoot or dribble.
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Post#1415 » by tontoz » Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:23 pm

fishercob wrote:
WizarDynasty wrote:he needs serious hand strength. I would spend an hour a day forcing him to palm the ball and then having an assistant knock it out is hand until he can control the ball. Secondly, i would force him to play one one out on the perimeter against a guard 5 hours a day until he can learn to score against defensive pressure on the perimeter.
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That's kind of a lame analysis, IMO. You need to go into how he'd spend his other 18 hours.


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