The WizFans Washington professional football thread

Kanyewest · Post #241 » by **Kanyewest** » Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:04 pm

I would blame the defense, but I blame the personnel more than Haslett at this point. Although not sure why Haslett was hired and the Redskins switched to a 3-4 defense to begin with.

Dat2U · Post #242 » by **Dat2U** » Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:22 pm

Dark Faze wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:The silver lining now is we have a first.

How crazy would it be if we were in a position to land Winston lol

And that would be a complete circus. I wouldn't wish any young QB on this fanbase & local media. My neck still hurts from how fast media and fans turned on an injured RG3 rushing back too fast from injury last year.

I love Griffin but how do you not take Winston if he's on the board when we pick

I didn't say I wouldn't, I just don't trust this franchise to make the right decisions, look at RG3 as a prime example. How long did it take this organization to ruin this kid's future by playing him hurt at the end of his rookie season and letting him come back last season when he was obviously no where near ready. We could blame the Shanahan's for that but that would be giving a pass to everyone else who got their hands dirty (Snyder, the front office, the medical staff).

As long as we have coaches as defacto GMs & meddling ownership that wants to have its hands involved in everything (i.e. the draft, medical staff, player personnel, etc) it's going to continue to be The Circus at Fed Ex Field.

TGW · Post #243 » by **TGW** » Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:02 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
And that would be a complete circus. I wouldn't wish any young QB on this fanbase & local media. My neck still hurts from how fast media and fans turned on an injured RG3 rushing back too fast from injury last year.

I love Griffin but how do you not take Winston if he's on the board when we pick

I didn't say I wouldn't, I just don't trust this franchise to make the right decisions, look at RG3 as a prime example. How long did it take this organization to ruin this kid's future by playing him hurt at the end of his rookie season and letting him come back last season when he was obviously no where near ready. We could blame the Shanahan's for that but that would be giving a pass to everyone else who got their hands dirty (Snyder, the front office, the medical staff).

As long as we have coaches as defacto GMs & meddling ownership that wants to have its hands involved in everything (i.e. the draft, medical staff, player personnel, etc) it's going to continue to be The Circus at Fed Ex Field.

Exactly...either Snyder needs to sell the team or keep his ass as far away from Redskins park as possible, while letting the football people make football decisions. I'm tired of his meddling, wannabe Jerry Jones act.

Higga · Post #244 » by **Higga** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:58 pm

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Wizardspride · Post #245 » by **Wizardspride** » Wed Oct 8, 2014 9:18 pm

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Higga · Post #246 » by **Higga** » Thu Oct 9, 2014 2:55 pm

I'd still be cautious with him. If it were up to me I wouldn't bring him back till after the bye week.

Take no chances after last season.

queridiculo · Post #247 » by **queridiculo** » Thu Oct 9, 2014 3:23 pm

Kanyewest wrote:I would blame the defense, but I blame the personnel more than Haslett at this point. Although not sure why Haslett was hired and the Redskins switched to a 3-4 defense to begin with.

A large portion of the blame there goes to Shanahan, but Snyder had his hand in that one too by creating a vacuum that allowed Shanahan free reign with nobody to challenge his decision making.

Haslett had no experience coaching the 3-4, and a strong GM may have stood his ground and either questioned the decision to go with that system in the first place, or found candidates better suited for that system.

Whether a with to the 4-3 is the answer remains to be seen, but the defense certainly looked better following the first half, and gave Washington a chance to win the game.

Much of that could of course been Seattle's lack of preparedness for that look, but at this point I wouldn't mind seeing Washington going forward with a switch, it certainly seems like a our personnel is much better suited for the traditional look.

Hidden Eye · Post #248 » by **Hidden Eye** » Thu Oct 9, 2014 3:53 pm

I'd say right now skins can win 5-6 games the way they are playing. Running game and both lines need to improve and be healthy. Cousins is a solid QB but not gonna have a future here. He already messed up his chance against the Giants few weeks ago.

TGW · Post #249 » by **TGW** » Thu Oct 9, 2014 3:57 pm

Higga wrote:I'd still be cautious with him. If it were up to me I wouldn't bring him back till after the bye week.

Take no chances after last season.

He should be benched for the whole season.

Focus on the learning the offense and getting 100% healthy. The line is terrible and there would be no point putting him back there to get killed.

Wizardspride · Post #250 » by **Wizardspride** » Thu Oct 9, 2014 6:36 pm

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Dat2U · Post #251 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Oct 9, 2014 7:05 pm

TGW wrote:
Higga wrote:I'd still be cautious with him. If it were up to me I wouldn't bring him back till after the bye week.

Take no chances after last season.

He should be benched for the whole season.

Focus on the learning the offense and getting 100% healthy. The line is terrible and there would be no point putting him back there to get killed.

No, you got to find out what you have. If he's healthy and can play, I see no reason to wait. It would be great if he could make some strides in reading defenses and finish the year strong. It would give us a clear direction to go in for next season and some momentum as well.

The last thing I'd want is a case where things are still murky at the QB position going into the offseason.

The only question that's been answered thus far is Cousins is not our starting QB of the future, and the door is now closed on getting a decent draft pick in return for him.

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fishercob · Post #254 » by **fishercob** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 6:51 pm

fishercob wrote:I agree with the move.

The Price: When's the last time you got something really good for cheap? It doesn't happen often, because valuable things cost a lot. I'm not going to get into the semantic argument about whether or not the Skins gave up 2 or 3 firsts. But what they do is acquire a more valuable asset than past top picks because of the rookie wage scale. The wage scale as part of the new CBA means that Griffin with be slotted in to about $20M of guaranteed money. Whereas two seasons ago, the #1 pick entitled the Rams the right to give Sam Bradford $50M guaranteed. Top picks are now cheaper, less risky, and thus more valuable. The counter to this is that the picks they gave up wil thus be more valuable as well; but it's the highest picks where the rookie wage scale suppresses the most value and the Redkins aren't likely to be picking this high again next year.

Opportunity: The fact that the Redskins are likely to improve underscores why it was important to make this move now. Central to this trade is that the Rams only move down four spots and still get an impact player. If the Redskins had won just one more game this year they could have been picking as low as 10th. The 8-8 Bears are picking 19th. There was simply no guarantee that the Skins would have a trade chip as vauable as the 6th pick any time soon. This could very well have been there best -- least expensive -- chance at a young franchise QB for some time. By the same token, there's no guarantee that they'd have a shot at drafting a franchise QB next year. This was their shot and they took it.

Timing: While the record and on-field product has been unsatisfying the past couple of seasons, Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan have spent the past two seasons making the Skins younger and cheaper. This trade would have made little sense two years ago when the Redskins had literaly the oldest roster in the league. I can't find the Skins ranking now, but we know they're a lot younger and we know they have a healthy amount of cap room (once they get this ridiculous issue with the league resolved) with which to fill some holes and build around Griffin. The first rounders in '13 and '14 are the only picks the Redskins don't have over their next two drafts. They have the ability to build around Griffin, rather than just hope he's some final piece. Even if they suck ass for the next three years, they're still going to all their picks going forward from there and Griffin will only be just 25.

Fit: I'm no football X and O guru, but it doesn;t take a genius to know that Mike Shanahan's successful Denver offenses were built around running a lot of stretch plays and bootliegging off of play action. He made freaking Jake Plummer look good. He's done some of that here. But Rex Grossman is so fat and slow that his rollouts -- especially to the left -- haven't worked well at all. He can't create the necessary space to re-square his shoulders and throw accurately when rolling left. He's no threat to run for first downs or more. RG3 is a game-changer in this respect. I think he'll be able to create big plays off these rollouts, and once defenses start to account for that (by keeping someone "home" on the weak side), I expect the running game to spring more long runs. Defenses can't cover everything.

Yes, Daniel Snyder is an an a-hole and the Redskins have been bad for a really long time. But the overall cynicism toward the team has caused the pendulum to swing so far back that people just assume this is a bad move. This obviously hinges on how good Griff turns out to be, but if the personnel people thinks he has a good shot of becoming a franchise QB, this is a very reasonable gamble.

Fisher FTW!

Oy.

Post #255 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:37 pm

Peter Forsberg will have 100 NHL goals by then. 8-)

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #256 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 12:16 am

TGW wrote:
Higga wrote:I'd still be cautious with him. If it were up to me I wouldn't bring him back till after the bye week.

Take no chances after last season.

He should be benched for the whole season.

Focus on the learning the offense and getting 100% healthy. The line is terrible and there would be no point putting him back there to get killed.

I agree that Griffin should err on the side of caution. Why rush back in a lost season other than fear of job security?

John Gruden predicted as much in a press conference weeks ago when he said he wouldn't be surprised if RG3 didn't come back in record time. The coach is wise enough to know that Griffin isn't wise enough to know what's good for his own longevity.

At this point, I would rather see McCoy get snaps if Cousins gets hurt. Let Griffin's body and mind be 100% as good as can be before he returns to the field.

Dark Faze · Post #257 » by **Dark Faze** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:08 pm

He needs reps so he'll play.

And we'll probably be in the running to get Winston or Mariota, so he better show out.

fishercob · Post #258 » by **fishercob** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:23 pm

Ruzious wrote:Peter Forsberg will have 100 NHL goals by then.

You meant Filip -- no relation, btw.

Post #259 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:56 pm

fishercob wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Peter Forsberg will have 100 NHL goals by then.

You meant Filip -- no relation, btw.

Well yeah, I'm not a hockey expert. :wink:

FreeBalling · Post #260 » by **FreeBalling** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:24 pm

Sounds like Griffen is trying to make it back for Dallas week. National TV, Griffen the master of extending the play will be back soon. Lets see if he can pass the football at the NFL level. Dallas seems to be playing good football and I doubt that even Peyton Manning on the Skin would earn a win. There are just too many holes to fill.

If Robert rushes his recovery for Dallas, then he''s making a foolish risk jeopardizing his long tem NFL career.

For what?

The face of the franchise R_Yee_Fragile