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Re: Bradley Beal 

Post#496 » by montestewart » Mon Nov 5, 2012 11:49 pm

Seems like the Heat mostly know how to purchase pre-developed talent, and I'm not knocking that, as the Wizards could use a little of that too.
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Post#497 » by Nivek » Tue Nov 6, 2012 10:07 pm

By the way, I took another look at Beal's first two games in comparison to the other teenage rookies and STILL found no reason for panic.

To summarize: Beal's first two games were terrible. Here are a few players whose first two games were even worse (per minute):

- Corey Maggette
- Josh Smith
- Louis Williams
- Shawn Kemp
- Carmelo Anthony
- Eric Gordon
- Gilbert Arenas
- Tyson Chandler
- Kobe Bryant
- Ersan Ilyasova
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Post#498 » by GhostsOfGil » Tue Nov 6, 2012 10:30 pm

Kev, does Mike Prada read our board? Saw your blog was getting some love over at BF. 8-)
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Post#499 » by Nivek » Tue Nov 6, 2012 10:41 pm

I think Mike's around from time to time. He spends most of his time over on his site, of course. I'm a big fan of his and of the work they're doing at Bullets Forever. He's building a great site. We follow each other on Twitter, and he's driven some traffic my way, and I try to do the same for him.
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Re: Bradley Beal 

Post#500 » by Knighthonor » Wed Nov 7, 2012 2:13 am

Nivek wrote:By the way, I took another look at Beal's first two games in comparison to the other teenage rookies and STILL found no reason for panic.

To summarize: Beal's first two games were terrible. Here are a few players whose first two games were even worse (per minute):

- Corey Maggette
- Josh Smith
- Louis Williams
- Shawn Kemp
- Carmelo Anthony
- Eric Gordon
- Gilbert Arenas
- Tyson Chandler
- Kobe Bryant
- Ersan Ilyasova

I like what you trying to do, but still seem Scapegoat like. this franchise need talent. and its more damaging to a team like this, compared to the rest of those other teams, because the Wizards have the worst record in the history of the NBA, compared to other teams.
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Post#501 » by montestewart » Wed Nov 7, 2012 2:27 am

Knighthonor wrote:
Nivek wrote:By the way, I took another look at Beal's first two games in comparison to the other teenage rookies and STILL found no reason for panic.

To summarize: Beal's first two games were terrible. Here are a few players whose first two games were even worse (per minute):

- Corey Maggette
- Josh Smith
- Louis Williams
- Shawn Kemp
- Carmelo Anthony
- Eric Gordon
- Gilbert Arenas
- Tyson Chandler
- Kobe Bryant
- Ersan Ilyasova

I like what you trying to do, but still seem Scapegoat like. this franchise need talent. and its more damaging to a team like this, compared to the rest of those other teams, because the Wizards have the worst record in the history of the NBA, compared to other teams.

The bolded statement above is not true.

Seraphin looked historically bad his first year, but so did Bynum and others that turned out pretty well. Nivek (or someone) suggested waiting 20 games before starting to worry about Beal. Sounds reasonable.

PS: Following a four-year NCAA career, 22-year-old rookie Jordan Crawford had 4 points (2-9 FGs) to go with 3 RBs and 3 assists, in about 32 minutes across his first four games. Did you panic? I didn't panic until he became a Wizard.
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Re: Bradley Beal 

Post#502 » by jblaze2004 » Wed Nov 7, 2012 7:47 pm

i don't want to make an excuse but john wall playing would really help beal. AJ price and pargo are bums and other teams know it. They do not have to really sag off on beal to help guard our other PG's. But beal also has to be alot more aggressive.
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Post#503 » by Nivek » Wed Nov 7, 2012 7:53 pm

Knighthonor wrote:
Nivek wrote:By the way, I took another look at Beal's first two games in comparison to the other teenage rookies and STILL found no reason for panic.

To summarize: Beal's first two games were terrible. Here are a few players whose first two games were even worse (per minute):

- Corey Maggette
- Josh Smith
- Louis Williams
- Shawn Kemp
- Carmelo Anthony
- Eric Gordon
- Gilbert Arenas
- Tyson Chandler
- Kobe Bryant
- Ersan Ilyasova

I like what you trying to do, but still seem Scapegoat like. this franchise need talent. and its more damaging to a team like this, compared to the rest of those other teams, because the Wizards have the worst record in the history of the NBA, compared to other teams.


I'm failing to understand what you're saying here. The point I've made is that what we've seen so far from Beal isn't indicative of his overall talent level. I agree completely that the Wizards need talent -- they're decisions to bypass talent this offseason was (is) frustrating. But Beal's first two games says NOTHING about his long-term prospects as a pro. NOTHING about whether he'll be good or bad or mediocre. NOTHING about whether he's going to be a bust or a future All-Star.

Give him 20 games -- hell, make it 10 games -- before starting the hand-wringing about him being a bust.
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Re: Bradley Beal 

Post#504 » by fishercob » Wed Nov 7, 2012 8:46 pm

GhostsOfGil wrote:Kev, does Mike Prada read our board? Saw your blog was getting some love over at BF. 8-)


He has posted here under the name "pradamaster."

If they had the same style of message board as we do here (as opposed to those "threads") I'd go over there much more, as their content is far better.
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Post#505 » by AFM » Wed Nov 7, 2012 8:48 pm

The discussion here is much better.
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Post#506 » by GhostsOfGil » Wed Nov 7, 2012 9:00 pm

fishercob wrote:
GhostsOfGil wrote:Kev, does Mike Prada read our board? Saw your blog was getting some love over at BF. 8-)


He has posted here under the name "pradamaster."

If they had the same style of message board as we do here (as opposed to those "threads") I'd go over there much more, as their content is far better.


Thanks. It would be nice if he posted here more often but I understand he has his own community over at SB Nation. BF has great articles but I've found that outside this forum, knowledgeable basketball discussion just doesn't exist.
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Post#507 » by payitforward » Wed Nov 7, 2012 10:56 pm

Nivek wrote:The point I've made is that ... Beal's first two games says NOTHING about his long-term prospects as a pro. NOTHING about whether he'll be good or bad or mediocre. NOTHING about whether he's going to be a bust or a future All-Star.

Give him 20 games -- hell, make it 10 games -- before starting the hand-wringing about him being a bust.

It'd be interesting to see stats on the development of rookies who play their first game within a few months of turning 19.

Everybody's excited about Lillard -- and he's looked great. He's fully 3 years older than Bradley Beal.
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Post#508 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Thu Nov 8, 2012 12:44 am

Gonna call it early, I think Beal finds himself in this game in Boston. Looks aggressive.
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Re: Bradley Beal 

Post#509 » by Knighthonor » Thu Nov 8, 2012 4:40 am

YAY BEAL!!

Play like you play. Stop letting the Pressure get to you.
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Re: Bradley Beal 

Post#510 » by hands11 » Fri Nov 9, 2012 5:30 am

http://www.nba.com/wizards/video/2012/1 ... p4-2287312

How can you watch a video this and not at some point have a flash forward and imagine in your mind what he will look like in 3 years as a more seasoned pro.

I think the Wizards future is looking really bright with what they have in here in their younger players.
And I love the blend of personalities too. And I can't wait to see Johnny ball game and Beal out there together. I like that pairing. Just flip through your head of each of these guys in a video interview. Or clip those the link here and just watch the younger players.

http://www.nba.com/wizards/video/

Wall Fast runn'n fast talkn Johnny.
Beal. Soft spoken. Mindful. Family dude. So mature for his age. Smooth baller.
Keveen. Love the smiley giant. Deep voice with a cool ascent. True gentle giant but he will thump you.
Ves - Our white Czek Euro guy. Cool. Laid back. Focused. Go Go Gadgets.
Singleton - super soft spoken but focused. Strong kid with drive.
Booker - Pure jazz. Booker is a throwback type. Cool dude. Easy to like. Always calm. Always happy. Strong.
Crawford - Ow Crawford. Crazy Jazzy J. Big glasses. Heart of a lion. Coolio. Hes funny. Mr Confidence.

I'll even add Webster in the group since he is only 25. Web is the intense analytic. The motivator. The communicator. He brings the urgency. Of the group, he is the oldest at only 25.

Ages. 22, 19, 22, 22, 22, 24, 24, 25

It a good group of kids. You listen to everyone of them talk and they all always sound so focused and level headed about what they need to do next. All likable. Al focused. All serious about winning and getting better.

I look forward to watching each then mature another step this year. Right now, its Kevin who is the most fun to watch because he is really coming into his own. But I think each will have there moment in the sun this year. Can't wait to see Wall out there. Its a nice young core that has lots of upside that I think they will reach a good bit of because of their drive, focus, and coachability.
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Post#511 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Fri Nov 9, 2012 5:58 am

Hands11 edit that last line on Kevin Seraphin before folks catch it.
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Post#512 » by Knighthonor » Fri Nov 9, 2012 6:42 am

hands11 wrote:
Wall Fast runn'n fast talkn Johnny.
Beal. Soft spoken. Mindful. Family dude. So mature for his age. Smooth baller.
Keveen. Love the smiley giant. Deep voice with a cool ascent. True genital giant but he will thump you.
Ves - Our white Czek Euro guy. Cool. Laid back. Focused. Go Go Gadgets.
Singleton - super soft spoken but focused. Strong kid with drive.
Booker - Pure jazz. Booker is a throwback type. Cool dude. Easy to like. Always calm. Always happy. Strong.
Crawford - Ow Crawford. Crazy Jazzy J. Big glasses. Heart of a lion. Coolio. Hes funny. Mr Confidence.
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Hey I caught that.
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Re: Bradley Beal 

Post#513 » by hands11 » Fri Nov 9, 2012 8:27 am

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:Hands11 edit that last line on Kevin Seraphin before folks catch it.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

I might have to keep that one. lol

That was funny.

opps. To late. Looks like someone else took a different approach then you. Thanks for at least trying.
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Re: Bradley Beal 

Post#514 » by tontoz » Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:25 pm

Through 5 games Beal is averaging 13 ppg with a TS% of 54% and a PER of 15. I think it might be a little early to hit the panic button.
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Post#515 » by 80sballboy » Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:32 pm

tontoz wrote:Through 5 games Beal is averaging 13 ppg with a TS% of 54% and a PER of 15. I think it might be a little early to hit the panic button.


You think? Guys were calling him a bust after 2 games. Kind of lose credibility after that. Anybody that can shoot will find a place in this league. Now he just needs to continue refining his game. I know the season is just about lost and it's difficult to watch this team, but I can't wait to Wall is finally healthy to see him play with BB.

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