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Re: Bradley Beal 

Post#616 » by Nivek » Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:30 pm

Knighthonor wrote:
Nivek wrote:nonexistent player development .
But how you develop players in a way that other teams are doing?

like what is the wizard's development doing so different?


As I've posted in other threads, I think the issue is actually less with what the Wizards do to develop players and has much more to do with player selection. Player development is far more about the work that the individual player does independently than it is about what the team can do. A coach can show a player how to do things, but the players still has to do it. The only way to develop a skill is practice -- constant repetition with focus on doing it properly each time.

Players that improve -- that add news skills -- rarely are doing it with a coach holding their hand every step of the way. Great ones often go off and work on something truly on their own during an offseason. Others might work with a coach periodically, but the skill itself is built by endless repetition on his own in the gym.

The Wizards have made a fetish of picking guys who MIGHT be good IF they add some skill or set of skills. But, they don't seem to have invested much effort in picking guys who are willing to do the kind of work necessary to add that skill.
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Re: Bradley Beal 

Post#617 » by payitforward » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:02 pm

Nivek wrote:As fish and nate have pointed out, players like Beal tend to struggle when they first enter the league. Then they typically get better. In some cases, a lot better.

Beal is the least of the Wizards problems. I have little doubt that he's going to be a perennial All-Star once they trade him to OKC or the Spurs.

What's wrong with the Wizards is management. Everything else -- poor player selection, craptacular medical team, nonsensical evaluations and reasoning, substandard coaching, nonexistent player development -- is the result of management decisions made by Leonsis and Grunfeld.

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Re: Bradley Beal 

Post#618 » by Knighthonor » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:31 pm

Nivek wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:
Nivek wrote:nonexistent player development .
But how you develop players in a way that other teams are doing?

like what is the wizard's development doing so different?


As I've posted in other threads, I think the issue is actually less with what the Wizards do to develop players and has much more to do with player selection. Player development is far more about the work that the individual player does independently than it is about what the team can do. A coach can show a player how to do things, but the players still has to do it. The only way to develop a skill is practice -- constant repetition with focus on doing it properly each time.

Players that improve -- that add news skills -- rarely are doing it with a coach holding their hand every step of the way. Great ones often go off and work on something truly on their own during an offseason. Others might work with a coach periodically, but the skill itself is built by endless repetition on his own in the gym.

The Wizards have made a fetish of picking guys who MIGHT be good IF they add some skill or set of skills. But, they don't seem to have invested much effort in picking guys who are willing to do the kind of work necessary to add that skill.

but it cant just be some accident for the wizards to continue to draft players like that, can it?
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Re: Bradley Beal 

Post#619 » by Nivek » Sat Dec 1, 2012 12:39 am

Knight -- We're going in circles now. It's not an accident. See my previous post.
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Re: Bradley Beal 

Post#620 » by WizarDynasty » Sat Dec 1, 2012 3:01 am

It's the organizations job to ensure Beal becomes a elite ball handler so we can trade for high draft picks if we can't resign him. Plain and simple.
Same with Vesely.

NOt having a system in place to ensure that player are tranforming into experts, only drops the value of Wizard assets. You improve an player's value with the hope of selling it for more than you paid. the problem with the wizards organization is that they have unqualified "upgraders" that oversee that our unfinished draft products transforms into a finished marketable product in a quick turn around time. We drafted the world class sports cars with missing pieces but don't have a clue how install the missing pieces for the project sports cars to compete and win. We expect for the projects to figure it out on their own what pieces they are missing. if the project sports cars could do that on their own, they would have done so already and been drafted in a higher slot.
YOu should have never bidded on an unfinished work if didnt have the tools to finish it and get a higher resale value.
Valuable lesson for leonsis. Don't expect projects to figure out what their weaknesses are on their own if they have a great work ethic because they would have already fixed the problem on their own. Don't bring a generalist to fix a specialized problem on a project sports car. A family doctor isn't going to know how to perform heart surgery.
We have project sports cars with specialized problems and our projects aren't qualified to diagnose and fix their own problems.
The problem with Grunfeldian culture is that it believes that a hardworker should be also be an expert at diagnosing what his basketball weaknesses are and also knowing the expert solution on how to fix. Hardwork does not fix a specialized problem. Players are not trained to figure out what they are doing wrong. Players are not trained to figure out if they have improper handspeed while dribbling the ball. they are trained mainly to follow instructions.
Wizard culture has to factor these inherent limitation into the new leonsis culture so that the turn around time is quicker. Wizards front office should be highly trained at the areas that projects lack wisdom. Wizard front office should be the equivalent of heart surgeon ---where as a player only can describe a sympton of his chest hurting. Front office should figuratively be able to open the chess and fix the value in the heart. Then the patient or player gets up from the table and is able to function better after the surgery not knowing at all what the heart surgeon did to his heart except he is now healthy versus being sick.
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Re: Bradley Beal 

Post#621 » by omegatronic3 » Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:53 am

looks like a decent game tonight...I didnt see it but how did he look. This is the kind of stat line Im ok with 14 points on 5 for 11. At this point Id rather see Beal have a good game than the Wiz win a game. Beals has been a dissapointment but his development is critical to this team.
I dont really expect Beal to be an all star but if he is a starting quality 2 who can defend his position then ill be satisfied.

I agree with those who say we should have traded Crawford...hes too similar to Beal and a bad role model for him.
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Re: Bradley Beal 

Post#622 » by Knighthonor » Sat Dec 1, 2012 8:18 am

perhaps they should require him to use is first season as a practice for his confidence, and require him to take at least 20 shots per game.

that should greatly improve his shot confidence.
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Post#623 » by blazinskillz » Sat Dec 1, 2012 4:20 pm

I like Beal but in this thread i believe some people said he was better than Wall. that reminds me not to take some of you guys seriously.
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Post#624 » by payitforward » Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:31 pm

blazinskillz wrote:I like Beal but in this thread i believe some people said he was better than Wall. that reminds me not to take some of you guys seriously.

...just as your overrating Wall reminds me not to take you seriously.
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Re: Bradley Beal 

Post#625 » by blazinskillz » Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:43 pm

payitforward wrote:
blazinskillz wrote:I like Beal but in this thread i believe some people said he was better than Wall. that reminds me not to take some of you guys seriously.

...just as your overrating Wall reminds me not to take you seriously.

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I really don't care if we don't share the same opinions, I rather overrate Wall than make assumptions off of preseason and practice games.
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Re: Bradley Beal 

Post#626 » by MJG » Sat Dec 1, 2012 5:51 pm

blazinskillz wrote:
payitforward wrote:
blazinskillz wrote:I like Beal but in this thread i believe some people said he was better than Wall. that reminds me not to take some of you guys seriously.

...just as your overrating Wall reminds me not to take you seriously.

Somebody is guilty.
I really don't care if we don't share the same opinions, I rather overrate Wall than make assumptions off of preseason and practice games.

Why would you rather do that?
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Re: Bradley Beal 

Post#627 » by blazinskillz » Sat Dec 1, 2012 6:00 pm

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blazinskillz wrote:[quote="payitforward"
...just as your overrating Wall reminds me not to take you seriously.

Somebody is guilty.
I really don't care if we don't share the same opinions, I rather overrate Wall than make assumptions off of preseason and practice games.

Why would you rather do that?[/quote]
He said I overrate Wall. If I overrate Wall, I'm overrating what I've seen out of him in the last 2 years. I don't know if it was him or CCj that said Beal is already better than Wall but that assumption was made off of preseason and practice games. Thus far Wall has obviously been the better player by far, no contest. I root for Beal every game and feel he might have a break out 3rd season like Harden did but thus far he has not even been better than Crawford and that's being completely honest. I do not want the Wizards to trade him, he's still learning and will eventually get there.
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Post#628 » by DCZards » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:13 am

I'm liking the steady improvement I'm seeing from BB. He still needs to hit those open short jumpers, but he's clearly growing more and more confident. Beal's all around game is starting to emerge as he grows more comfortable playing at this level. The kid's going to be a very good NBA player.
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Post#629 » by Jay81 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:18 am

Just for my own relief...Id like to see Beal have a 35 point outburst on 13-22 shooting 7-8 from the line
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Post#630 » by DCZards » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:25 am

Jay81 wrote:Just for my own relief...Id like to see Beal have a 35 point outburst on 13-22 shooting 7-8 from the line


That day will come. Right now he's playing smart basketball...not forcing anything and playing under control most of the time. Impressive stuff for a 19 year old, IMO.
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Post#631 » by dangermouse » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:28 am

Personally, I think Beal is looking much improved, and is looking like he will be a stud. But, he will never be a prolific scorer type of SG that gets all the limelight. Which I think is perfect for us with Wall at the point. Beal seems like he will be the perfect jack of all trades guy to put next to Wall long term. Comparison = Hersey Hawkins? He is an excellent rebounder, a good defender, and Im sure he will shoot better when he doesnt need to set up most of his own shots.
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Post#632 » by dangermouse » Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:32 am

Also he is listed at 6'3" but i swear he is almost the exact same height as Crawford.
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Post#633 » by Jimmy Recard » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:00 am

DM, he measured out to 6' 4.75" at the pre-draft measurements, no?

Pretty sure he's listed at at least 6'4.

And i agree with pretty much everything you said. I don't foresee him ever being a great scorer, and definitely not a first or even second option for a contending team. Just doesn't have the ability to break defenders down off the dribble, not a great finisher due to him being a below the rim player, doesn't execute the pick n roll all that well (something that Harden excels at, sorry but i had to go there :lol:), and a really disappointing shooter thus far, both off the dribble and catch and shoot. Of course, i expect him to get better at every facet with more experience, but some of his deficiencies - which i've already noted - are a bit alarming, especially his shooting ability, or lack thereof. His poor shooting has really surprised me, i remember watching him drain jumper after jumper (i can't even remember seeing him miss) when the Wizards worked him out before the draft. Of course, and empty gym doesn't quite have the same atmosphere as an NBA game. But still, i'm watching him out there miss OPEN jump shots with regularity, and it seems like he has good form and mechanics, so i don't know what to make of it.

Having said all of that, i think he has potential be a great third option for a contender. Despite his shooting woes thus far, i've been impressed with the rest of his game; his rebounding, passing and especially his defense. I think he'll be fine, i just hope his jumper comes around..
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Post#634 » by AFM » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:28 am

Yep, he's listed at 6'5" although I think that's rounding up.
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Re: Bradley Beal 

Post#635 » by DANNYLANDOVER » Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:00 am

I like Beal and I think he would turn out to be a solid player. That said, I would have drafted Drummond or Jeremy Lamb over him. He's been playing better lately. Not picking up his dribble under pressure and turning the ball over. He plays good defense and is a pretty good free throw shooter. What I'm surprised at is that the one thing that I thought he was gonna be a specialist at - shooting - he's not doing too well. I think he would be a terrible fit next to John if he doesn't start knocking those WIDE open shots down, because he will be getting a lot of them with John. Nice to see that he's not gonna be a one-trick pony though, but he still has to improve his handles. Maybe, that's what's stopping him from blowing past defenders and getting to the rim?

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