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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#946 » by MikeTheKid » Wed Jan 9, 2013 7:02 pm

So apparently Blatche picked up girls from a Philly Gentlemen's Club and brought them to his hotel. Looks like one of Blatche's boys gave the girl the date rape drug!!!
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#947 » by MikeTheKid » Wed Jan 9, 2013 7:04 pm

Also a tweet from Sam Amico with the sale of the Kings to a Seattle based group

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Wizards have total locker room disharmony. Guys don't even want to be in there at same time. I'd consider that before begging for Cousins.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#948 » by nate33 » Wed Jan 9, 2013 7:24 pm

MikeTheKid wrote:Also a tweet from Sam Amico with the sale of the Kings to a Seattle based group

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO
Wizards have total locker room disharmony. Guys don't even want to be in there at same time. I'd consider that before begging for Cousins.

WTF?

Did I miss something? I never got this vibe from watching the players on the court and listening to interviews. I'm sure there's some grumbling, there would have to be with a 5-26 record. But "total locker room disharmony"? I haven't seen it.

I get the sense that most of them are on the same page and are total professionals working as hard as they can to get better. By all accounts, Okafor and Nene are that way. When you listen to Martell Webster, you can tell he really cares about winning. Beal is a good guy. Booker is a good guy. You have to assume that a walk-on like Temple is giving 100% just to hold his job, as is Cartier Martin. Wall hasn't been around so I don't think he counts. That really only leaves a few people who could conceivably be a problem: Crawford, Singleton, Seraphin, Ariza and Price.

And frankly, none of these guys matter towards our future with the possible exception of Seraphin (who would be traded in a Cousins trade).
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#949 » by AFM » Wed Jan 9, 2013 7:26 pm

Yeah, I don't see that at all. "Guys don't even want to be there at the same time"?
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#950 » by Upper Decker » Wed Jan 9, 2013 7:59 pm

I'm actually ticked Sacramento is moving to Seattle. I was hoping Ted would move the team to Seattle so we could de-stench the Washington DC metro area of this life sucking franchise.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#951 » by FAH1223 » Wed Jan 9, 2013 8:02 pm

MikeTheKid wrote:Also a tweet from Sam Amico with the sale of the Kings to a Seattle based group

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSO
Wizards have total locker room disharmony. Guys don't even want to be in there at same time. I'd consider that before begging for Cousins.


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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#952 » by LyricalRico » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:25 pm

With Dallas completely floundering, does what does Cuban do now? If he stays the course and goes the cap space route, he's basically got one shot - Dwight Howard. But wouldn't Howard have the same question as Deron Williams: "How are you going to afford to build a complete team?"

Might the Mavs be "buyers" at the trade deadline for some of the overpaid guys on longterm deals that are on the market (Bargnani, Gay, etc)? Maybe even Nene?
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#953 » by nate33 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:30 pm

LyricalRico wrote:With Dallas completely floundering, does what does Cuban do now? If he stays the course and goes the cap space route, he's basically got one shot - Dwight Howard. But wouldn't Howard have the same question as Deron Williams: "How are you going to afford to build a complete team?"

Might the Mavs be "buyers" at the trade deadline for some of the overpaid guys on longterm deals that are on the market (Bargnani, Gay, etc)? Maybe even Nene?

Interesting.

Or perhaps, rather than long-term contracts like Nene, they would be interested in contracts that expire in 2014 alongside Dirk and Marion. The idea would be to field a reasonably competitive team for Dirk's final year, and then be prepared to tank hard and rebuild from scratch. Obviously, the players that would be most attractive in that scenario would be Okafor and Ariza.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#954 » by LyricalRico » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:40 pm

^ Yep, also possible. Before the season started I thought that Kaman-for-Okafor might be a deadline possibility, but that was when I expected the Mavs to be a defensive big away from making some noise (or at least making the playoffs). But Kaman seems to be putting up some decent scoring numbers, so I don't know if that's possible now.

Problem is that, other than Kaman's expiring, they don't have much to offer. A package of Kaman+Carter+Jones+Beaubois is probably the best they can do as a mix of expirings and guys that can contribute without totally destroying their depth.

But what can they get for it (besides Oka-Riza)?
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Post#955 » by I_Like_Dirt » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:45 pm

LyricalRico wrote:With Dallas completely floundering, does what does Cuban do now? If he stays the course and goes the cap space route, he's basically got one shot - Dwight Howard. But wouldn't Howard have the same question as Deron Williams: "How are you going to afford to build a complete team?"

Might the Mavs be "buyers" at the trade deadline for some of the overpaid guys on longterm deals that are on the market (Bargnani, Gay, etc)? Maybe even Nene?


Unless that player is a legit star player (think Kevin Love), I'm guessing they won't be buyers on overpaid contracts at this point. Cuban is a lot of things, but he seems to recognize that you need at least one star player in order to be more than a middling team in the NBA. I think he'd be more likely to be a buyer on a contract like that after picking up a star or two because at that point he'd be less choosy and just trying to fit all the talent he could on the team at the same time to try and win. Cuban was able to pick up guys like Brand, Collison, Kaman, Mayo, etc. on the cheap this season so I doubt he goes for guys like Bargnani and Nene who are injury-prone and not decisively more impactful players. If Cuban doesn't grab stars, there might be a couple amnesty candidates he might be able to bid on or he'll go after guys like Jose Calderon or something like that where he doesn't have to trade assets and has control of the type of contract he gives.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#956 » by LyricalRico » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:53 pm

LyricalRico wrote:A package of Kaman+Carter+Jones+Beaubois is probably the best they can do as a mix of expirings and guys that can contribute without totally destroying their depth.

But what can they get for it (besides Oka-Riza)?


A few ideas:

To Chicago for Deng and Rip?
To Charlotte for Gordon+Henderson+Mullens?
To Denver for Iggy+Mozgov+pick?
To Minny for Ridnour+DWill+filler?
To Milwaukee for Monta Ellis?

I think you could argue that those deals might shake them up for the better, and they could still target 2014 as a rebuild year.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#957 » by sashae » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:48 pm

nate33 wrote:I get the sense that most of them are on the same page and are total professionals working as hard as they can to get better. By all accounts, Okafor and Nene are that way. When you listen to Martell Webster, you can tell he really cares about winning. Beal is a good guy. Booker is a good guy. You have to assume that a walk-on like Temple is giving 100% just to hold his job, as is Cartier Martin. Wall hasn't been around so I don't think he counts. That really only leaves a few people who could conceivably be a problem: Crawford, Singleton, Seraphin, Ariza and Price.


YOU FORGOT ABOUT VESELY. That guy is a bad apple, I can see it in his eyes.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#958 » by BigA » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:36 pm

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nate33 wrote:I get the sense that most of them are on the same page and are total professionals working as hard as they can to get better. By all accounts, Okafor and Nene are that way. When you listen to Martell Webster, you can tell he really cares about winning. Beal is a good guy. Booker is a good guy. You have to assume that a walk-on like Temple is giving 100% just to hold his job, as is Cartier Martin. Wall hasn't been around so I don't think he counts. That really only leaves a few people who could conceivably be a problem: Crawford, Singleton, Seraphin, Ariza and Price.


YOU FORGOT ABOUT VESELY. That guy is a bad apple, I can see it in his eyes.


Vesely may be a locker room cancer, but his on-court contribution is so phenomenal that Randy isn't in a position to enforce any discipline.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#959 » by nate33 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:42 pm

sashae wrote:
nate33 wrote:I get the sense that most of them are on the same page and are total professionals working as hard as they can to get better. By all accounts, Okafor and Nene are that way. When you listen to Martell Webster, you can tell he really cares about winning. Beal is a good guy. Booker is a good guy. You have to assume that a walk-on like Temple is giving 100% just to hold his job, as is Cartier Martin. Wall hasn't been around so I don't think he counts. That really only leaves a few people who could conceivably be a problem: Crawford, Singleton, Seraphin, Ariza and Price.


YOU FORGOT ABOUT VESELY. That guy is a bad apple, I can see it in his eyes.

Gee. I forgot about Vesely. How could that possibly have happened?
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Post#960 » by sashae » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:52 pm

nate33 wrote:Gee. I forgot about Vesely. How could that possibly have happened?


Well he wasn't in the cold tub photo with Wall I can see how you overlooked him. It happens.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#961 » by Halcyon » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:53 pm

nate33 wrote:
sashae wrote:
nate33 wrote:I get the sense that most of them are on the same page and are total professionals working as hard as they can to get better. By all accounts, Okafor and Nene are that way. When you listen to Martell Webster, you can tell he really cares about winning. Beal is a good guy. Booker is a good guy. You have to assume that a walk-on like Temple is giving 100% just to hold his job, as is Cartier Martin. Wall hasn't been around so I don't think he counts. That really only leaves a few people who could conceivably be a problem: Crawford, Singleton, Seraphin, Ariza and Price.


YOU FORGOT ABOUT VESELY. That guy is a bad apple, I can see it in his eyes.

Gee. I forgot about Vesely. How could that possibly have happened?

Who?

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#962 » by LyricalRico » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:02 pm

Yet another Laker trade idea...

Lakers trade: Gasol and 2nd
Lakers receive: Gay and Bargnani

Raptors trade: Bargnani and Calderon
Raptors receive: Gasol and LAL/DET 2nds

Memphis trades: Gay
Memphis receives: Prince, Jerebko, and Bynum

Pistons trade: Prince, Jerebko, Bynum, and 2nd
Pistons receive: Calderon

TRADE ID 6202444

Why for Los Angeles? They take on lots of 2014-15 salary, but add two guys that may work better next to Nash (and also have contracts that expire the same year as Nash). If Howard can return healthy and control the paint defensively, maybe it works?

Why for Toronto? They finally add a post presence. Yes, Gasol makes a ton per year, but his deal ends a year before Bargs does so it could work better for Toronto depending on what their future plans are.

Why for Memphis? They don't save much money, but they break up Gay's deal into smaller pieces that help their depth. They also might be easier to move later.

Why for Detroit? Pure money saver for them. They already gave up a protected pick to dump Ben Gordon. This gives them ultimate flexibility to build around Monroe/Drummond.

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#963 » by Ruzious » Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:18 pm

As long as the Wizards aren't involved in a Gay and Bargnani trade, I'm all for it. :wizard:
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#964 » by verbal8 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:04 pm

LyricalRico wrote:Yet another Laker trade idea...

Lakers trade: Gasol and 2nd
Lakers receive: Gay and Bargnani

Raptors trade: Bargnani and Calderon
Raptors receive: Gasol and LAL/DET 2nds

Memphis trades: Gay
Memphis receives: Prince, Jerebko, and Bynum

Pistons trade: Prince, Jerebko, Bynum, and 2nd
Pistons receive: Calderon

TRADE ID 6202444

Why for Los Angeles? They take on lots of 2014-15 salary, but add two guys that may work better next to Nash (and also have contracts that expire the same year as Nash). If Howard can return healthy and control the paint defensively, maybe it works?

Why for Toronto? They finally add a post presence. Yes, Gasol makes a ton per year, but his deal ends a year before Bargs does so it could work better for Toronto depending on what their future plans are.

Why for Memphis? They don't save much money, but they break up Gay's deal into smaller pieces that help their depth. They also might be easier to move later.

Why for Detroit? Pure money saver for them. They already gave up a protected pick to dump Ben Gordon. This gives them ultimate flexibility to build around Monroe/Drummond.

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I don't think Toronto should get picks and the best player. I think Detroit can get there part done with out throwing in a pick. I could see it either way with the Lakers giving the pick to Memphis or not.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves Part 2 

Post#965 » by Ruzious » Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:01 pm

Gotta laugh about the Wiretap story that the Cavs are clearing cap space for 2014 so they can sign LeBron. After all that was said, how could they possibly think he'd come back? Is Gilbert going to all of a sudden suck up to him? I hope LeBron strings him along again - and lets him down hard again on national tv - just to see how Gilbert reacts.
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