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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread 

Post#401 » by Dat2U » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:42 pm

Illuminaire wrote:Terry was a replaceable 6th man who's job was to score. He was an important part of the team Dallas assembled, but he was not essential. Terry was never a top SG/PG and was never an effective defensive player. Shawn Marion and Jason Kidd were just as important to the title team, and Josh Howard was a huge piece the year they lost to Miami.

Your definition of building block appears to be very different from mine. I don't view undersized defensively challenged shot creators with OK passing skills to be building blocks. I view them as scoring roleplayers, and relatively easy to obtain on the free agent market.


Ask Dallas fans if he was essential or not important. I suspect they'd feel very differently.

Being a 6th man should have nothing to do with it. Terry finished games and was extremely clutch. Harden in OKC (now KMart) and Ginobili were sixth men too. Are they easily replaceable? Terry finished games, played starters minutes and was the 2nd offensive option behind Dirk. You make Terry sound like Eddie House and he was much more than that.

To me, your looking at a type of player (i.e. undersized shot creators) and making a generic statement instead of judging a guy based on what he's actually done.
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Post#402 » by Dat2U » Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:48 pm

Illuminaire wrote:Additionally, my position regarding Kemba is further defined by what the /Wizards/ needs as a building block.

As of now, Wall is a decent overall player who can't shoot. That means he's useful running the point, but pretty useless off the ball. So, a player with Terry-like ability loses utility for our squad, except when they're running with the second team... so no. Alternatively, Wall is gone/amputated, and we're relying on a Terry-like guy to replace him... which is good for scoring, but not for just about every other phase of the game.

So no. In conclusion, a short combo-guard with eh efficiency was not going to be a building block for the Wiz. *shrug*


He's useless off the ball because our coaching staff seems ill prepared to develop all-around talent or even make the different pieces fit. Plus, in Flip's PG centric offense (basically the same offense were running now), the ball was supposed to be in Wall's hands 90% of the time.

Teams all over the league are successful with multiple ball-handlers and shot creators on the floor, only in DC can we not have anyone sharing the ball with our PG because it makes our PG useless. Only in DC do we avoid adding a quality backup PG because they can only play a handful of minutes behind Wall instead of playing alongside with him.

That's an indictment on our coaching staff more than anything else IMO.
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Post#403 » by closg00 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:22 am

Nivek wrote:If you're gonna do hindsight drafting, at least have the Wizards getting Leonard and Faried from that year.


No-doubt we would be happy with Faried or Leonard, ditto for Knight and Walker. I tilt to Walker because he is on a trajectory to be a Jason Terry-type player, his efficiency HAS improved and he has kept the Cats in games as-well as won games for the Cats (Knight is improving also) If there is anything this team needs it's guys like Knight and Walker, especially with so-many question marks Re: Wall.

My bottom-line is that I am frustrated that Knight and Walker are closing games while Vesely is riding the pine. This was avoidable.
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Re: NBA Games Discussion Thread 

Post#404 » by queridiculo » Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:14 am

Illuminaire wrote:Terry was a replaceable 6th man who's job was to score. He was an important part of the team Dallas assembled, but he was not essential. Terry was never a top SG/PG and was never an effective defensive player. Shawn Marion and Jason Kidd were just as important to the title team, and Josh Howard was a huge piece the year they lost to Miami.


Absolute lunacy, without Terry the Mavericks don't win against the Heat, much less make it to the finals.
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Post#405 » by Illuminaire » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:13 am

Clearly, it is insane to think that a 34 year old SG with middle of the pack efficiency was anything other than an irreplaceable core. I see the error of my ways, for surely there were no other players in the NBA who could do what Jason Terry did, nor do such players continue to become available at a relatively affordable price year after year in free agency.
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Post#406 » by Halcyon » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:14 am

James Harden scored 34 points on 12 field goal attempts. Good lord...

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Post#407 » by montestewart » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:22 am

Halcyon wrote:James Harden scored 34 points on 12 field goal attempts. Good lord...

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If only we could get a player like that.
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Post#408 » by FAH1223 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:47 am

Paul Pierce with 40 points on 16 shots
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Post#409 » by montestewart » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:59 am

Don't forget Shaun Livingston, two points on seven shots.
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Post#410 » by Dat2U » Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:06 am

montestewart wrote:
Halcyon wrote:James Harden scored 34 points on 12 field goal attempts. Good lord...

:(

If only we could get a player like that.


But we probably didn't want a guard that would take the ball out of Wall's hands.

Plus we needed the interior defense of Okafor and a legit 3 in Ariza.


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Post#411 » by tontoz » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:09 pm

"bulky agile perimeter bone crunch pick setting draymond green" WizD
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Post#412 » by montestewart » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:19 pm

tontoz wrote:MDA wants Gasol to take corner 3s. :lol:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... ith_Howard

D'Antoni's cockiness re Gasol may be playing off Kobe Bryant's flippant comments about Gasol, but it could all backfire. He may be still as good as ever, but his value to the team and his trade value appear to be plummeting much faster than his value around the league should be.
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Post#413 » by closg00 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:03 pm

Marcus Morris is finally getting starter minutes with PP out: 31 min, 5 reb, 14 points (2-3 3 pointers).
Houston sent Morris to the NBDL to play full-time until they were ready to use him.

In the same game, Nick Young was named POG for Philly, he actually had 4 rebounds and 4 assists.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/gametracke ... 19_PHI@HOU
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Post#414 » by LyricalRico » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:53 pm

Toronto starting to win without Bargs, Lowry, and Fields. They just signed Fields and they gave up a lotto pick to get Lowry, so they obviously try to integrate them into what they are currently doing. But if this keeps up, Bargs is out of there IMO.
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Post#415 » by TGW » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:12 pm

closg00 wrote:Marcus Morris is finally getting starter minutes with PP out: 31 min, 5 reb, 14 points (2-3 3 pointers).
Houston sent Morris to the NBDL to play full-time until they were ready to use him.

In the same game, Nick Young was named POG for Philly, he actually had 4 rebounds and 4 assists.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/gametracke ... 19_PHI@HOU


Marcus Morris was the guy I wanted the Wizards to trade down for (Morris and Faried were my guys in that draft).

Morris isn't exactly tearing it up, but he's sure as hell better than the losers the Wizards drafted. Singleton and Vesely should be in the D-league right now.
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Post#416 » by FAH1223 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:02 am

LeBron hasn't committed a foul in 5 straight games now
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Post#417 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:31 am

FAH1223 wrote:LeBron hasn't committed a foul in 5 straight games now


There is a lot of cheating with the referees. Not a charge or a block or a reach in five games?
Bye bye Beal.
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Post#418 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:45 am

Denver just went 0-22 from three for the game. They also went the entire game making only 1 FG from beyond 7 feet.
Bye bye Beal.
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Post#419 » by hands11 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:40 am

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... mberwolves

Thats a wrap.

Good luck and good health to you Josh.
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Post#420 » by MikeTheKid » Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:22 pm

Eric Bledsoe please save us, what an athlete

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