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http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4291/greivis-vasquez
Greives is rolling.
.521 from 2, .563 from 3, 10.4 assists and 17.4 pts in 38 minutes over 5 games
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.521 from 2, .563 from 3, 10.4 assists and 17.4 pts in 38 minutes over 5 games
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Lakers lost again to HOU, they suck and MDA is a moron granite they don't have Pau, D12 and Hill
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Their schedule is pretty rough this month too, I think they play OKC next.
I hope they don't make the playoffs, I want to see Kobe blow up. And of course all those delicious Laker fanboy tears... mmmmmmmmm really hits the spot!
I hope they don't make the playoffs, I want to see Kobe blow up. And of course all those delicious Laker fanboy tears... mmmmmmmmm really hits the spot!
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hands11 wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4291/greivis-vasquez
Greives is rolling.
.521 from 2, .563 from 3, 10.4 assists and 17.4 pts in 38 minutes over 5 games
The Wiz had him in for pre-draft workouts but took Booker. Grevis had a lot of haters on the board at the time, but I always believed he could play at the next level.
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Seeing the younger wizards vs the thunder and the rockets play the lakers last night...theyre game looked incredibly similar...they might can be the eastern rockets with defensive stopping power
Beal is no harden but hes getting there...(thunder knows this)
wall and lin is on par (hopefully wall improved jumper)
Webster = parsons (with more experience less confidence)
Seraphin = morris twin (Except softer)
Okafor = asik (oka has way more defense stopping power)
Beal is no harden but hes getting there...(thunder knows this)
wall and lin is on par (hopefully wall improved jumper)
Webster = parsons (with more experience less confidence)
Seraphin = morris twin (Except softer)
Okafor = asik (oka has way more defense stopping power)
Pay your beals....or its lights out!!!
Bron, Bosh, Wade is like Mike, Hakeem, barkley...3 top 5 picks from same draft
mike, hakeem and Barkley on the same team!!!!
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mike, hakeem and Barkley on the same team!!!!
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deneem4 wrote:Seeing the younger wizards vs the thunder and the rockets play the lakers last night...theyre game looked incredibly similar...they might can be the eastern rockets with defensive stopping power
Beal is no harden but hes getting there...(thunder knows this)
wall and lin is on par (hopefully wall improved jumper)
Webster = parsons (with more experience less confidence)
Seraphin = morris twin (Except softer)
Okafor = asik (oka has way more defense stopping power)
The Rockets average 107 ppg, 1st in the NBA.
The Wizards average 89.2 ppg, last in the NBA by a full 2 points.
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tontoz wrote:deneem4 wrote:Seeing the younger wizards vs the thunder and the rockets play the lakers last night...theyre game looked incredibly similar...they might can be the eastern rockets with defensive stopping power
Beal is no harden but hes getting there...(thunder knows this)
wall and lin is on par (hopefully wall improved jumper)
Webster = parsons (with more experience less confidence)
Seraphin = morris twin (Except softer)
Okafor = asik (oka has way more defense stopping power)
The Rockets average 107 ppg, 1st in the NBA.
The Wizards average 89.2 ppg, last in the NBA by a full 2 points.
And this lineup subsituting temple for wall and without theyre 3 best scorers put up 100 points against a top 3 league defense
Pay your beals....or its lights out!!!
Bron, Bosh, Wade is like Mike, Hakeem, barkley...3 top 5 picks from same draft
mike, hakeem and Barkley on the same team!!!!
Bron, Bosh, Wade is like Mike, Hakeem, barkley...3 top 5 picks from same draft
mike, hakeem and Barkley on the same team!!!!
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On which top 3 defense did the Wizards score 100 against?
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Nivek wrote:On which top 3 defense did the Wizards score 100 against?
Thunder they rank 2nd in opp fgp
Pay your beals....or its lights out!!!
Bron, Bosh, Wade is like Mike, Hakeem, barkley...3 top 5 picks from same draft
mike, hakeem and Barkley on the same team!!!!
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mike, hakeem and Barkley on the same team!!!!
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deneem4 wrote:Nivek wrote:On which top 3 defense did the Wizards score 100 against?
Thunder they rank 2nd in opp fgp
Miami? We rarely win much-less score 100+
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Our team in no way translates to that Rockets team for a bunch of reasons.
1 - Beal is not Harden. Not even close. Getting there? Maybe in the vaguest of senses that Beal compares favorably to a rookie Harden but Beal is not Harden.
2 - Wall is not Lin. Wall does a lot of things better but Lin's had many games with more made 3's than Wall did all of last season.
3 - Okafor may have more stopping power than Asik but he certainly doesn't have more rebounding power. Asik has been a dyson on the boards.
4 - The Bench. Toney Douglas shoots .400 from 3, Delfion shoots .392 from 3, and Greg Smith is averaging 16/11 per 36 on .655 shooting.
1 - Beal is not Harden. Not even close. Getting there? Maybe in the vaguest of senses that Beal compares favorably to a rookie Harden but Beal is not Harden.
2 - Wall is not Lin. Wall does a lot of things better but Lin's had many games with more made 3's than Wall did all of last season.
3 - Okafor may have more stopping power than Asik but he certainly doesn't have more rebounding power. Asik has been a dyson on the boards.
4 - The Bench. Toney Douglas shoots .400 from 3, Delfion shoots .392 from 3, and Greg Smith is averaging 16/11 per 36 on .655 shooting.
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deneem4 wrote:Nivek wrote:On which top 3 defense did the Wizards score 100 against?
Thunder they rank 2nd in opp fgp
Ok.
First, FG% is an antiquated measure because it doesn't account for the 3pt shot. The better measure is effective field goal percentage (efg). Thunder ranks 6th in defensive efg.
Second, while field goal defense is the most important defensive factor, other things matter too. Specifically, the Thunder are 18th in defensive turnovers, 10th in defensive rebounding percentage, and 12th in sending opponents to the free throw line.
All of that gets tied together nicely in a single number -- defensive rating (which is points allowed per 100 possessions). The Thunder rank 9th, allowing 103.7 points per 100 possessions.
All of that before getting to the biggest fallacy in the point you're trying to make, which is that one game proves nothing. Not even if it's the most recent game.
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In a sense, I agree with deneem4 that, when healthy, our team compares favorably to the Rockets. It's why I was so high on the Wizards preseason. I do think Wall is as good as, if not better than Lin. He could be a lot better depending on how he has improved in the offseason. Parsons might be a bit better than Webster, but not by much. Asik is better than Okafor, but we make up for it by having Nene, who is better than any big man on their roster by a country mile. They're struggling to find someone to fill the PF spot, as are we.
The big, huge, ginormous difference is the difference between Harden and Beal. Harden is the 2nd best SG in the league and arguably a top 5 player this year. Beal remains statistically a terrible player. He's had a nice 5 game stretch, but prior to that, he was easily the worst starting SG in the league and one of the worst players in the league playing 20 minutes or more. Even over the last 5 games, Beal has only been a serviceable starter and by no means a star. This isn't a criticism of Beal, one doesn't expect a 19-year-old to be a superstar. But the fact remains that he isn't close to the ball player that Harden currently is. He's not even in the same area code.
In a sense, I agree with deneem4 that, when healthy, our team compares favorably to the Rockets. It's why I was so high on the Wizards preseason. I do think Wall is as good as, if not better than Lin. He could be a lot better depending on how he has improved in the offseason. Parsons might be a bit better than Webster, but not by much. Asik is better than Okafor, but we make up for it by having Nene, who is better than any big man on their roster by a country mile. They're struggling to find someone to fill the PF spot, as are we.
The big, huge, ginormous difference is the difference between Harden and Beal. Harden is the 2nd best SG in the league and arguably a top 5 player this year. Beal remains statistically a terrible player. He's had a nice 5 game stretch, but prior to that, he was easily the worst starting SG in the league and one of the worst players in the league playing 20 minutes or more. Even over the last 5 games, Beal has only been a serviceable starter and by no means a star. This isn't a criticism of Beal, one doesn't expect a 19-year-old to be a superstar. But the fact remains that he isn't close to the ball player that Harden currently is. He's not even in the same area code.
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Here's how the Wizards and Rockets compare using PPA (my stat -- 100 = average; higher is better; 45 = replacement level):
Minimum 200 minutes. Wizards have 7 least productive players in this comparison.
A healthy Wall would help some, but remember -- he rated right about average last season (which was better than his rookie year). If he made an Isiah-like leap from year 2 to year 3, his PPA would be ~125-130.
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Player POS Tm G MPG PPA
James Harden SG HOU 33 38.2 167
Greg Smith C HOU 29 14.4 161
Nene Hilario PF WAS 20 23.8 139
Emeka Okafor C WAS 33 23.9 113
PatrickPaterson PF HOU 26 27.7 111
ChandlerParsons SF HOU 33 36.2 109
Omer Asik C HOU 34 30.0 108
Jordan Crawford SG WAS 31 29.8 100
Jeremy Lin PG HOU 34 33.0 94
Trevor Ariza SF WAS 16 24.3 94
Carlos Delfino SF HOU 25 25.2 92
Marcus Morris PF HOU 33 23.0 92
Martell Webster SF WAS 32 27.1 84
A.J. Price PG WAS 18 27.1 84
Trevor Booker PF WAS 9 24.1 82
Toney Douglas PG HOU 33 20.3 77
Cartier Martin SF WAS 23 17.6 69
Bradley Beal SG WAS 31 31.3 65
Garrett Temple PG WAS 8 31.9 45
ShaunLivingston PG WAS 17 18.8 38
Chris Singleton PF WAS 28 17.2 33
Kevin Seraphin C WAS 32 25.3 27
Jan Vesely PF WAS 26 13.2 13
Minimum 200 minutes. Wizards have 7 least productive players in this comparison.
A healthy Wall would help some, but remember -- he rated right about average last season (which was better than his rookie year). If he made an Isiah-like leap from year 2 to year 3, his PPA would be ~125-130.
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It was the first game the wix played with their younger players and without crawford portraying kobe...
The thunder have a top 5 shot blocker and stealer with a lock down defender in sefo...Please don't shoot down the thunder defense because its the wizards theyre playing
Asik gets so many rebounds because the rockets hsve sooo many shooters defenses usually are chasing shooters which leaves asik downlow...also with 3 euro stepping players penatrating his defender usually leaves him open for a rebound...sorts how varejaois with the cavs...also being 7" is a plus...
To look at beal game as he has been gaining confidence and getting used to the nba I will definitely say he can become a james harden next yr...he can average 23 a game...(and him and harden had the exact same poster dunk)...the thunder knows this...thats why they were going to trade james harden for him and singleton...hes only 19 and taking clutch shots...it's not like he was placed like lillard around a good team with a good coach and a star...he was placed on the worst scoring team nd told to be their #1 scoring option..I see him growing into it now
Webster is extremely talent just not confident in his self...if he plays more aggresively he can put up 17 a night with ease...
Nene is a great power forward...but I think he should come off the bench at center with crawford and seraphin at pf...that kid Is not a center
Wall/beal/webster/jan/okafor
Temple/crawford/ariza/seraphin/nene
Rotate singleton or booker if jan or seraphin is screwing up
The thunder have a top 5 shot blocker and stealer with a lock down defender in sefo...Please don't shoot down the thunder defense because its the wizards theyre playing
Asik gets so many rebounds because the rockets hsve sooo many shooters defenses usually are chasing shooters which leaves asik downlow...also with 3 euro stepping players penatrating his defender usually leaves him open for a rebound...sorts how varejaois with the cavs...also being 7" is a plus...
To look at beal game as he has been gaining confidence and getting used to the nba I will definitely say he can become a james harden next yr...he can average 23 a game...(and him and harden had the exact same poster dunk)...the thunder knows this...thats why they were going to trade james harden for him and singleton...hes only 19 and taking clutch shots...it's not like he was placed like lillard around a good team with a good coach and a star...he was placed on the worst scoring team nd told to be their #1 scoring option..I see him growing into it now
Webster is extremely talent just not confident in his self...if he plays more aggresively he can put up 17 a night with ease...
Nene is a great power forward...but I think he should come off the bench at center with crawford and seraphin at pf...that kid Is not a center
Wall/beal/webster/jan/okafor
Temple/crawford/ariza/seraphin/nene
Rotate singleton or booker if jan or seraphin is screwing up
Pay your beals....or its lights out!!!
Bron, Bosh, Wade is like Mike, Hakeem, barkley...3 top 5 picks from same draft
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Didn't shoot down the OKC defense at all. Their defense is good. Not top 3, but still good.
More importantly, one game means very little. It was nice, but it was just one game.
More importantly, one game means very little. It was nice, but it was just one game.
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The Cats used their last two high draft picks on guys who could play defense (BB and MKG). They have Haywood who is a good defender. Why is their defense last in the league? Are their guards that bad?
Last year they had the worst offense now they have the worst defense. smh
I have to doff my cap. They really know how to tank. I think we will end up losing to them again.
Last year they had the worst offense now they have the worst defense. smh
I have to doff my cap. They really know how to tank. I think we will end up losing to them again.
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Defense is about system and teamwork much more than individual abilities.
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