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Post#561 Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I
Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:13 pm by gambitx777

I would not mind having him as an undrafted free agent nor would i mind spending a late second on him. But i would rather take ryan kelly over patrick young if we could.
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Post#562 Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I
Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:46 pm by DCZards

Nivek wrote:
Agree that no 2nd rounder has impressed, including Crowder. Lamb and Green have been significantly less productive than Crowder has been so far.



I'm thinking long term with Lamb and Green. Not stars. But solid role players.
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Post#563 Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I
Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:15 pm by Ruzious

Speaking of 2nd rounders and MD, after watching MD/NC State, I'd take Richard Howell over CJ Leslie. Leslie's actually rated as the 23rd pick in 2013 by draftexpress.com. I wouldn't pick him even in the 2nd round. They are total opposites - Howell is much less flashy, but he does one thing really well - rebounding. And he's built like a truck - though just a 6'8 truck. He's not much of an offensive player, but he doesn't do things to hurt the team. He's a better Michael Ruffin.
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Post#564 Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I
Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:37 pm by Dr Positivity

Right now this draft looks so good to me that I'm trying to figure out which of my opinions are wrong. Cause if everything I think comes true it would have like 20 starting talents and that just seems way too generous. Three guys I think are underrated

Nick Johnson: If he was 6'5 he'd easily be a lotto pick due to his freak athleticism, good 3pt range, high IQ and toughness/intensity. Being a 6'2-6'3 SG is dropping him out of the discussion entirely, but the way I see it, I'm ok with a player's height on the offensive end if they can play above the rim. And Johnson is athletic enough to easily play above the rim, pulling off a ton of highlight reel dunks and even has some awesome blocks on youtube. On the defensive end his height may end up a problem (though it could make him a superb ball thief as he is in college) but offensively, if it doesn't prevent him for finishing once he drives into the paint, I'm not sure it matters. Is it really better to be a tall guy that plays totally below the rim like Shabazz, instead of a short guy that plays above the rim like Johnson?

Mike Moser: I think it's a bad experiment to try him at SF and if a team does it in the NBA, Moser might not produce for a while. But if played as a small PF in the NBA, I think he has a chance to stick. He'd have great shooting and ball-handling skills for a 4, a good feel/IQ and he's a good athlete, not enough to overwhelm players, but fast enough to have some blow-by ability against 4s. Could see him being Thad Young like

James Michael McAdoo - He's getting sh*t on for disappointing compared to expectations and UNC playing so weak. But I think the talent is still there. I think he still has above average athleticism/physical tools, skill and feel for the game for a PF. Not elite in any of those categories but solid.
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Post#565 Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I
Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:32 am by dangermouse

Just an aside, Dr Positivity, I find your name funny, almost ironic, on this board.
Fri Jul 5, 2013 4:36 am by dangermouse
dangermouse wrote:44 is my best guess.

I think we make the playoffs, no lower than 6th seed.
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Post#566 Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I
Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:24 am by Ruzious

Good stuff, Dr Pos. I think you're exactly right on Moser - he's a PF, and he's never going to be a legit SF. His great skill is rebounding. He's undersized, so the thing to do was get him stronger - not switch him to the 3. He and Howell are somewhat similar in that they're NBA skill is rebounding. Moser has a little more offensive ability, while Howell's stronger defensively.

Nick Johnson kinda reminds me of a slightly more athletic Toney Douglas. I think he and Moser should both go early 2nd round. McAdoo - it just depends on what you expect from him. Every internet mock last year had him going top 5 or top 10 in last year's draft - which was a joke to a lot of us who actually watched him. But if you view him as a guy who should go between 20 and 30 in 2013, that's pretty reasonable. He's a good all-around PF who could some day start in the NBA, but there's nothing really special about him. I think when people give him a hard time, they're more reacting to the unrealistic expectations given to him by people who didn't know what they were talking about.
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Post#567 Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I
Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:25 am by Chocolate City Jordanaire

DCZards wrote:
popper wrote:Thanks for info on Satoransky. I wish we could have gotten Crowder. It makes me want to puke. He better not screw up our second rounders this year. Hopefully he'll be in the wind by then.


I can't think of any of the second round guys that have been that impressive...including Crowder. The two guys I'd probably opt for from the second round are Draymond Green (smart, high motor, an NBA body, toughness) and Doron Lamb (I like his potential as a shooter).


+1

Green has had some good moments with Golden State. Here's his game winner against the Heat.



Golden State is currently 23-14, 2nd in the Pacific. Here is the team roster and stats:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/2013.html

Draymond Green truly excels in a few areas. He is the only Warrior with more steals the turnovers. He leads GS with 1.9 steal per-36 minutes. Green has shot and made 29-33 FTs -- His .879 is second and close to Steph Curry's rate. Draymond averages 9.0 rebounds per-36, fourth behind Biedrins, Lee, and Landry.

Everything DCZ said applies to Green: Smart, high motor, NBA body, toughness.

I would add that he is clutch and focused. Draymond Green can be trusted to do the right thing under pressure.
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Post#568 Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I
Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:18 am by Ruzious

Well, Green is a good guy to have at the end of the bench. But at this point, he's a self-check on offense.
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Post#569 Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I
Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:31 am by closg00

DCZards wrote:
popper wrote:Thanks for info on Satoransky. I wish we could have gotten Crowder. It makes me want to puke. He better not screw up our second rounders this year. Hopefully he'll be in the wind by then.


I can't think of any of the second round guys that have been that impressive...including Crowder. The two guys I'd probably opt for from the second round are Draymond Green (smart, high motor, an NBA body, toughness) and Doron Lamb (I like his potential as a shooter).

How can you impress if you are not playing? Aren't Crowder and Green the only 2nd rounders receiving steady playing-time? Green is doing fine in his role at GS, he isn't there to be an offensive option.

Pull-up Will Barton's game-logs, in games that he played 20+ minutes (a handful) he shoots a decent %, better than Crawford's I would wager. Don't know about his efficiency.

It goes w/o saying that it takes a little while to shake things out with these picks, many of whom are playing in the D.
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Post#570 Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I
Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:34 am by The Consiglieri

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Severn Hoos wrote:
Green and McDermott, and guys like Nate Woltjers are why I say the 2013 draft is a tremendous draft. I think they are good players and they're not even among the elite of this draft.


This is for you, for your McDermott love for the past 12+ months :). Thought you'd get a kick out of it...

link:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/882 ... higan-no-1

"...Damn you, Trey Burke. Do you realize what you're doing? I'm guessing you don't, so let me make it clear. Seven years ago college basketball was handed a gift. Two gifts, actually. One was a 6-foot-4 shooting guard who gelled his hair for games and wore a cutoff T-shirt under his jersey. The other was a 6-foot-8 small forward with a mop top and the trashiest porn 'stache you've ever seen. The shooting guard was a McDonald's All-American who played on the East Coast for the best team in America, which just so happened to be the most hated team in America. The small forward was a lightly recruited kid who played on the West Coast for a mid-major — a good-but-not-great team that to some extent became America's team by being a Cinderella story every year. That's right, Trey — November 2005 to March 2006 will forever be remembered as The Winter of J.J. Redick and Adam Morrison.

So why am I telling you this? Simple. The Winter of Redick and Morrison was the most captivating season of college basketball I've ever experienced, mostly because of the National Player of the Year battle. Night in and night out, these guys put their teams on their backs and just went insane on the offensive end. You remember what Illinois's Brandon Paul did last year against Ohio State and this year against Gonzaga? Yeah, these two did that damn near every game. It was beautiful. Adding to the excitement was the fact that even while both of them were averaging well over 20 points, most people could tell that neither player would be great in the NBA. Which made what they were doing in college that much more special. This didn't have the makings of a Bird-Magic rivalry. No, this was a one-year thing that everyone knew wouldn't last forever. So we made sure to savor those few months as best we could, and we hoped that someday we'd get to experience it all again.

And dammit, Trey, if it weren't for you, we'd be as close as we may ever get to experiencing The Winter of Redick and Morrison again. Right now, the two non–Trey Burke candidates for Player of the Year are Duke's Mason Plumlee and Creighton's Doug McDermott. Like Redick, Plumlee has been an absolute monster for no. 1 Duke, and even when he's having an off game, he's still very productive. He's the best player on the top-ranked team and at times he has looked unstoppable. Meanwhile, like Morrison, McDermott plays for a good-but-not-great mid-major, he faces double- and triple-teams every time he touches the ball, and despite that he's still putting up numbers that are so impressive you'll act like that cartoon wolf when you see them. And to cap it all off, like Redick and Morrison,11 both Plumlee and McDermott look like they'll never be franchise guys in the NBA. Just like the prophecy foretold, history is repeating itself seven years later.

But then you, Trey Burke, had to come along and ruin everything by being far and away the best guard in an era of college basketball dominated by perimeter players. You just had to be a pass-first point guard who still averages 18 points per game. You'd be hard-pressed to find someone who has ever played the position at the collegiate level better than you are playing it right now. And most impressively, you've led your Michigan Wolverines to the top spot of college basketball's most powerful power rankings for the first time ever. As of now, however, I wouldn't vote for you with my nonexistent National Player of the Year vote because Plumlee and McDermott are big guys and therefore don't have the ball in their hands and opportunities to make plays nearly as much as you do. But just know that you're knocking on the door, and I don't like it one bit. The stars were aligned for Moredick Part II. Don't ruin this for us......."
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Post#571 Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I
Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:36 am by Chocolate City Jordanaire

gambitx777 wrote:I think there are a lot of big men who are going to fall to the second round that would be good pick ups.
Gorgui Dieng (6'11 245) 9 PPG 10 RPG 2 BPG 1 SPG
Dewayne Dedmon (7'0 250) 7 PPG 7 RPG 2 BPG 1 SPG
AJ Matthews (7'1 220) 23 PPG 14 RPG 58% FG% having trouble finding stat averages for him and not totals
P.S ( AJ is from a small school, Farmingdale State)
Kenny Kadji (6'11 240) 12 PPG 7 RPG 1BPG


Dieng is a very impressive defender. I like Louisville's chances to win the national championship. Dieng's draft stock could soar if they go to the Final Four.

The Wizards drafted N'Diaye a couple years back and he was similar to Dieng. I think Dieng, however, is a much better prospect because he is a very good rebounder.
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Post#572 Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I
Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:06 am by Dark Faze

I'd draft the best shooter on the board with our late picks. Better for them to have a solid NBA skill than to have averge skilled guys who can do a small bit of everything just OKAY.
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Post#573 Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I
Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:14 pm by fugop

Dieng is a much better prospect than N'Diaye. He has good hands, a respectable mid-range jumpshot (top of key - high post), and is a decent passer/decision maker. He's plays like a smaller, more mobile Hibbert. If he weren't going to be older than most prospects at the draft, he'd be a lottery pick. He also has a great personality and attitude. He'll be a steal in the 2nd round, should he fall there.
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Post#574 Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I
Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:14 pm by gambitx777

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Dieng is a very impressive defender. I like Louisville's chances to win the national championship. Dieng's draft stock could soar if they go to the Final Four.

The Wizards drafted N'Diaye a couple years back and he was similar to Dieng. I think Dieng, however, is a much better prospect because he is a very good rebounder.

thanks i think dieng is a nice second round but if we get a mid to late first and if we take shabazz with our first pick we need to look at
Kelly Olynyk
18 PPG 7 RPG and plays some defense. He may turn the ball over a little bit but this kid could be the next dirk, I think that's his potential. i think he would be averaging more like 20-22 points per game if he was not dealing with an injury early in the season.
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Post#575 Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I
Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:48 am by closg00

Damn, with the tank de-railed we could picking 6-11 now.
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Post#576 Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I
Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:17 am by Floater

We need to go at least a solid lottery pick this year, one that can contribute early and often. No projects. I've got a feeling this could be the last year of our lottery days for a while.
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Post#577 Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I
Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:26 am by Jay81

we better plan for picks 5-8
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Post#578 Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I
Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:01 pm by jivelikenice

closg00 wrote:Damn, with the tank de-railed we could picking 6-11 now.


Nothing wrong with that. It's a weaker draft and I don't think you'll see the big drop off. how often does the worst team even pick 1st?.....that all being said, I'd be surprised if we had this pick come the trade deadline,let alone draft day. One way or another, it will be moved for a young vet IMO
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Post#579 Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I
Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:47 pm by Upper Decker

In all honesty, it might be a good time to cash in on the high pick. Right now the Wiz are the worst team in the league. I don't see how that continues with a healthy Wall. The gap between the 1st and the 9th spot in the lottery is 7 games and I project the Wiz will make up ground in a hurry over the next month or so. By the trade deadline the projected 1st pick may be the projected 8th pick.
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Post#580 Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I
Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:33 pm by sfam

Upper Decker wrote:In all honesty, it might be a good time to cash in on the high pick. Right now the Wiz are the worst team in the league. I don't see how that continues with a healthy Wall. The gap between the 1st and the 9th spot in the lottery is 7 games and I project the Wiz will make up ground in a hurry over the next month or so. By the trade deadline the projected 1st pick may be the projected 8th pick.

That makes sense if you're planning to leave it unprotected, say for Nene, filler and an unprotected 1st for Bosh. But unless we're getting a Bosh/Anderson level player, this wouldn't make sense. If it is protected, than I don't think the timing is as important.
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