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Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing

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IS IT TIME TO FIRE ERNIE GRUNFELD?

1) Yes, I believe it is time for EG to go now.
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2) Ted should let him go at the end of the season.
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3) No, Ted needs to give him more time..(DESPITE THE FACT ERNIE HAS BEEN GM SINCE 2003)
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#101 » by nate33 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:28 am

barelyawake wrote:Ted: We need to tank to get franchise players to build a champion for the next decade.
Ernie: I'll tank, but you need to give me job assurance because I don't want to be held accountable for the awful record you want.
Ridiculous fans: This GM sucks because he's losing and not signing second round pick roll players that would help us win three more games than we have won.

All these meaningless players you drool over DO NOT MATTER. The NBA is a star driven league. Learn it. Accept it. Without a top ten player, you OUGHT to be tanking. Ernie isn't good, or great, but he is doing his job.

Wall
Beal
Shabazz
Nene
Seraphin

Is actually a very good team...

If the intent was to tank, then we had no business making the Okariza acquisition (or the Nene trade, for that matter).

I'm sure we'd all feel a bit better about being 0-16 if we had max cap room this summer. At least then, it would feel like a plan. But what's happening isn't a plan. This is simply failure. Fire EG.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#102 » by FAH1223 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:33 am

Guys, flood Ted Leonsis twitter with #FireGrunfeld and suggestions of new GMs
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#103 » by barelyawake » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:12 am

No, the plan for this year was not to tank.

But, I'm talking about the list of "EG failures" that includes years where his job was to tank.

This year, our two best players are out.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#104 » by TGW » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:26 am

barelyawake wrote:No, the plan for this year was not to tank.

But, I'm talking about the list of "EG failures" that includes years where his job was to tank.

This year, our two best players are out.


I don't buy the whole "his job was to tank" narrative. His job is to put a competitive basketball team on the court, and he has failed miserably. There are better teams that the Wizards that have made better draft picks at much lower draft positions than the Wizards, so even if the job were to tank, how can you be happy with the players they've gotten from tanking? Even if you were right, EG still fails.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#105 » by dandridge 10 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:51 am

nate33 wrote:
barelyawake wrote:Ted: We need to tank to get franchise players to build a champion for the next decade.
Ernie: I'll tank, but you need to give me job assurance because I don't want to be held accountable for the awful record you want.
Ridiculous fans: This GM sucks because he's losing and not signing second round pick roll players that would help us win three more games than we have won.

All these meaningless players you drool over DO NOT MATTER. The NBA is a star driven league. Learn it. Accept it. Without a top ten player, you OUGHT to be tanking. Ernie isn't good, or great, but he is doing his job.

Wall
Beal
Shabazz
Nene
Seraphin

Is actually a very good team...

If the intent was to tank, then we had no business making the Okariza acquisition (or the Nene trade, for that matter).

I'm sure we'd all feel a bit better about being 0-16 if we had max cap room this summer. At least then, it would feel like a plan. But what's happening isn't a plan. This is simply failure. Fire EG.


+1,000,000. It was clear that both EG and Ted believed we had enough young talent and that we just needed to develop it. In addition to blowing the cap space on Okariza, they also picked a Euro stash in the second round. There was no plan to get additional youth, just a plan to develop what we have. Unfortunately, what we have is not very good and outside of possibly Wall and Beal, are not going to be more than role players. Agree, Fire Ernie.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#106 » by truwizfan4evr » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:29 am

FAH1223 wrote:Guys, flood Ted Leonsis twitter with #FireGrunfeld and suggestions of new GMs

I try that already no answer.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#107 » by FAH1223 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:46 am

so i tweeted
#WizardsTalk How do you keep a GM for 10 years when he's had the 3rd worst record in the @NBA in that span? No more excuses, #FireGrunfeld


and then the NBA retweets me

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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#108 » by truwizfan4evr » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:58 am

If anyone has Ted added to there face book maybe they can send him a message? I try to add him on face book but his friends list was filled with to many people. As for twitter he never answer he just get on to post his blogs.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#109 » by WizarDynasty » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:13 am

Wall and nene are just as much to blame as grunfeld and Leonsis and Whitman. Nene is leader of post players and wall is leader of the backcourt. Wall and nene should be heavily involve in designing new plays daily for the fourth quarter chess match each night that is tailored to the opponent. We brought Nene here for his basketball IQ but so far we have seen very low designed basketball plays for our post players. Is Leonsis ensuring that Nene is actively participating in teh design of post plays for bigs each Leonsis must design a system that encourages Nene ay. Have we set up a system to evaluate Nene installed plays or are we letting Nene sit on bench and twiddle his thumbs while he earns a paycheck. nene is hee for his basketball to ue his years of basketball iq to design plays so that he becomes a mental post asset. The same standards must be applied to wall but at even higher level. this organization can no longer afford to put all play daily play designing on coaches because coaches come and go.


You best believe that Chris Paul had revamped his team's entire offense. That's teh job of a franchise point guard. It what he does off the court to prepare his team mentally to respond --in game time to oppsoing defensive adjustments. Right now this organization has yet to force Wall and Nene to take responsibilty for daily play design and in game adjustments.
this is what separates a chris paul, a deron williams, a mike conley, john stockton, jason kidd--from shooting guards who pretend to be point guards. It the mental play designing time and leadership you spend off the court. I think Wall definitely has the personality and drive, but he is stuck in a wizard's culture that lacks longterm vision of molding a great point guard with off the chart intangibles. Wall has outstanding off the wall intangibles but we coaches that force wall to design plays and instead we bring in system coaches that transform wall into a robot with no responsibility for play designing against opposing defenses.

in order for the wizards to ever become elite, wall has to be transformed into a play designer with leadership skills that allow him to instructs in quick over time the plays that he designs. He won't be able to react to defenses quickly unless he is forced to design plays that respond to defensive adjustments. Right now wall is a shooting guard and is not worth a max contract if we are currently not forcing him to become a play designer in between games based on defenses. the elite point guards in this league have always been great play designers against the most complex of defenses. This entails orchestrated the other four players on the court to work in a rhythmic fashion doing multiple movements at the exact same time to create an easy shot on offense based on teh defense. Its all orchestrated by the point guard and if point guard isn't heavily involved in designing plays he doesn't get an opportunity to experience the pleasure when his specialty designed plays actually work. A point guard knows the physical limitations of his players and designs plays that maximize their strengths better than a coach who isn't physical out the court using his body. Coach may be using his mental skills but he is always detached from feeling the actual bumps, knowing how much stress you knee takes on a particular cut, or how hard you fall after a collision. Point guards are much more intuned with teh physical nature of each game and should be just as much involved in play designing taking these factors into account for their team mates. this is what makes chris paul great.
Sam cassell was and always will be a shooting guard, whitman will always be what he was in his nba games, and enforcers with no offensive basketball skills. Whitman will never be able to teach Booker the mechanics needed to do a reverse layup. Whitman will never install a player that calls for Booker or vesely to execute a reverse layup as the end result of a play. this is why Livingston Wall foundation is critical.

iq longterm and Fourth quarter success should be pinned on foundational players and be results and IQ fourth quarter driven even if they aren't on the court. Fourth quarter paddy execution and how effective were the ten consecutive fourth quarter tailored plays that wall spent all night designing for the particular defense and how well did wall teach these plays in short amount of time. A point guard is not only a player but a coach and leader off the court.. Only Leonsis can ensure that this happens. Wall has to ne treated like a foundational player off the court. Leonsis has to force a culture change here in Washington
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#110 » by blazinskillz » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:36 am

WizarDynasty wrote:Wall and nene are just as much to blame as grunfeld and Leonsis and Whitman. Nene is leader of post players and wall is leader of the backcourt. Wall and nene should bree heavily involve in designing new plays daily for the fifty quarter chess match each night that is tailored to the opponent. Fourth quarter success should be pinned on foundational players and be results and IQ fourth quarter driven even if they aren't on the court. Fourth quarter paddy execution and how effective were the ten consecutive fourth quarter tailored plays that wall spent all night designing for the particular defense and how well did wall teach these plays in short amount of time. A point guard is not only a player but a coach and leader off the court.. Only Leonsis can ensure that this happens. Wall has to ne treated like a foundational player off the court. Leonsis has to force a culture change here in Washington


Here Ernie, how you doing. Or you must be a relative or some sorts cause that's a bunch of baloney. I've seen Wall in the huddle, encouraging Beal and others. And btw, hwo do you know that they don't? Excuse me if I'm wrong, but when I watch CSN Wizards games, I'd be lucky if I get a shot of Wall or Nene that's over 4 secs long. Meaning that we're not watching the Wall and Nene halftime show or in game show, we simply don't know. At the end of the day, you cannot force a player to become a coach.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#111 » by TheKingOfVa360 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:43 pm

WizarDynasty must be Mrs. Grunfeld, Wall and Nene aren't to blame for this circus. They haven't even played a game all season. This team is poorly designed and that blame falls on Ernie Grunfeld's shoulders.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#112 » by verbal8 » Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:49 pm

I notice on Basketball-Reference that Grunfeld is not in bold(indicating active executive):

http://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/#G

They also don't have Bryan Colangelo as active either.

However they also are missing Rich Cho(who I wouldn't see him getting fired).
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#113 » by Floater » Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:28 am

If you had an architect build you three houses and all three collapsed, would you have the bastard build you a fourth???
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#114 » by montestewart » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:17 am

Floater wrote:If you had an architect build you three houses and all three collapsed, would you have the bastard build you a fourth???

Show of hands, who here lives a pup tent?
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#115 » by dangermouse » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:30 am

Looking at all the posts on the Wizards facebook status regarding tonights "thrilling" loss against the Hawks, I would say 50% of the posts are calling for a Grunfeld firing, and 1/3 of the rest are agreeing with said posts.

Whats it like at games?

Clearly this is bigger than forums/blogs/internet chatter. People are talking, people are aware. This HAS to be getting back to Ted, he knows.

The ball is currently stationary within the boundry lines of his court. Screw waiting to the end of the year, just do it now. If you act early and bring in someone better (you won't have trouble finding someone better) before the trade deadline, maybe we can begin to correct some mistakes earlier than waiting for the offseason.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#116 » by miller31time » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:56 am

dangermouse wrote:Looking at all the posts on the Wizards facebook status regarding tonights "thrilling" loss against the Hawks, I would say 50% of the posts are calling for a Grunfeld firing, and 1/3 of the rest are agreeing with said posts.

Whats it like at games?

Clearly this is bigger than forums/blogs/internet chatter. People are talking, people are aware. This HAS to be getting back to Ted, he knows.

The ball is currently stationary within the boundry lines of his court. Screw waiting to the end of the year, just do it now. If you act early and bring in someone better (you won't have trouble finding someone better) before the trade deadline, maybe we can begin to correct some mistakes earlier than waiting for the offseason.


I'm afraid the most fervent supporters of the "Fire EG" movement through Facebook are probably from me (Alex George). But you're right, there is a lot more frustration with Ernie than I anticipated. Though there's also a lot of people calling for Wittman's head.
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Post#117 » by dangermouse » Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:14 am

Ha! I did notice that name a few times!

I am banned from posting, have been for a couple of years now. I think i was a bit TOO critical after EG traded our #5th pick that one year, and my posts of woe and shame were just too much for the Wizards facebook crew.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#118 » by Knighthonor » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:24 am

miller31time wrote:
dangermouse wrote:Looking at all the posts on the Wizards facebook status regarding tonights "thrilling" loss against the Hawks, I would say 50% of the posts are calling for a Grunfeld firing, and 1/3 of the rest are agreeing with said posts.

Whats it like at games?

Clearly this is bigger than forums/blogs/internet chatter. People are talking, people are aware. This HAS to be getting back to Ted, he knows.

The ball is currently stationary within the boundry lines of his court. Screw waiting to the end of the year, just do it now. If you act early and bring in someone better (you won't have trouble finding someone better) before the trade deadline, maybe we can begin to correct some mistakes earlier than waiting for the offseason.


I'm afraid the most fervent supporters of the "Fire EG" movement through Facebook are probably from me (Alex George). But you're right, there is a lot more frustration with Ernie than I anticipated. Though there's also a lot of people calling for Wittman's head.

link me to this page please
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Post#119 » by dangermouse » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:54 am

just search for Washington Wizards on facebook
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing 

Post#120 » by closg00 » Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:45 pm

Guys on a message board could do a better job managing the Wizards than Ernie Grunfeld.

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