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Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing

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IS IT TIME TO FIRE ERNIE GRUNFELD?

1) Yes, I believe it is time for EG to go now.
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2) Ted should let him go at the end of the season.
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3) No, Ted needs to give him more time..(DESPITE THE FACT ERNIE HAS BEEN GM SINCE 2003)
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Post#91 Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing
Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:07 pm by Dat2U

hands11 wrote:Let see. He signed a two year contract around May this year, right.

So that puts the count down at around 18 mouths.


I don't think I can be that patient. But I also don't think Ernie has 18 months to turn this around.
hands11 wrote:Of course Dray was an idiot. So were the fans for endlessly booing him. Had they not done that, they could have actually keep him around and traded him when his value wasn't rock bottom.
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Post#92 Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing
Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:19 pm by AFM

That's 18 months until Ted gives him another extension.
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Post#93 Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing
Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:52 pm by Chocolate City Jordanaire

I just want to say before I take a sabbatical from posting I apologize to anyone I have offended.

I apologize for name calling, insulting the intelligence of, or assuming I know what goes on behind closed doors with Ted Leonsis and Ernie Grunfeld.

I don't take back anything I said, believing to be the truth, no matter how painful. However, I am reminded that compassion and grace serves everyone well. I don't need to gossip or put down people, but rather I need to promote what I think are good/better ideas.
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Post#94 Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing
Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:59 pm by montestewart

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I just want to say before I take a sabbatical from posting I apologize to anyone I have offended.

I apologize for name calling, insulting the intelligence of, or assuming I know what goes on behind closed doors with Ted Leonsis and Ernie Grunfeld.

I don't take back anything I said, believing to be the truth, no matter how painful. However, I am reminded that compassion and grace serves everyone well. I don't need to gossip or put down people, but rather I need to promote what I think are good/better ideas.

Your semi-annual sabbatical? I don't recall you saying anything that harsh, but whatever. Go in peace, my son.
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Post#95 Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing
Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:46 am by omegatronic3

EG must go now....no question about it...I cant think of any argument for him not to be fired. This franchise cant afford to waste another draft on his horrible picks.

Even with a full healthy roster this team is going nowhere.

The best he ever did was make us a skin of our teeth 8th seed.
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Post#96 Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing
Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:18 am by BigA

Good discussion of the options and candidates. Based on Ted's public statements (which admittedly do leave ample wiggle room) I don't think there's any way Ernie lasts past this year if there isn't significant progress in W-L.

If Wall and Nene come back and the team continues to struggle, I expect Ernie to be let go mid-season, even if they have to designate an interim GM.

I hope Ted has been educating himself about the managerial talent around the league. This will be an important hire. Just googling Troy Weaver it appears that he has turned down some GM positions. Someone like him would need to be courted, but that's something Leonsis should be good at. He sold Michael Jordan on coming here, after all.
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Post#97 Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing
Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:34 am by hands11

Dat2U wrote:
hands11 wrote:Let see. He signed a two year contract around May this year, right.

So that puts the count down at around 18 mouths.


I don't think I can be that patient. But I also don't think Ernie has 18 months to turn this around.


Its really not a matter of how patient you are, its a matter of how patient Ted is.
He made a decision to extend him for two years. Not one year. Two years.
That said, I doubt he has even started to second guess that decision to cut that contract short.
By the vary nature of the length of the contract, he has set that date to re-evaluate what to do with EG
until about somewhere near the trade deadline next season.

What he is likely doing right now is watching individual players that are new like Beal, Trevor A, Okafor, Barron, Webster, Price and Pargo and evaluating what is the next piece they can add while they wait for their two best players to return so the pieces they have can continue to develop.

One sign that they are indeed doing that is the Livingston signing just 7 games into the season. Livingston in, Pargo out. Now he will evaluate how much adding a 6-7 27 year old vet PG helps a team that desperately needs a steady PG until Wall returns and who needed a solid back up going into the season anyway. The Livingston move was one I was hoping they would make and believed it was on the table for them even though they went into the season with Price and Pargo. I'm glad to see what I believed actually was what they were considering.

He is also evaluating how Randy is doing as head coach. But again, unless Randy loses the team, he is here for two years. Ted has made these two decisions and he is moving forward.

Ted knew what all of us know. The team was going to have a huge uphill fight to start the year with 7 new players, a new coach and no Wall or Nene. Not having those two players to start the year is why many of us projected low 30's in wins for the season instead of low to mid 40s. We know the start of this year was going to be really tough to get a win.

I'm sure he sees the reality of that situation and is looking forward to seeing what the team looks like once Wall and Nene return. For now, I'm sure he is excited to see how much adding Livingston can help. Livingston may not be an All Star, but he is a piece the team desperately needed since they are mostly a group of players that can't create their own shots given youth and injuries.

Once they get their core piece back out there, I'm sure they will be working to back channels to see what trades might be available come the trade deadline. Lots of work to do.

I would be shocked if Ted even spent 2 minutes second guessing the decision he made about the two year contract for EG at this stage of the game. He did that evaluation before the contracts and he will decide again what he wants to do sometime around the trade dead line next season.

So if you counting down, you most likely have about 14 months of counting to do.
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Post#98 Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing
Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:51 pm by FAH1223

hands, the man has had 10 years.. and Ted will feel the pressure of the fans very soon especially when Wall/Nene come back and this team still has a horribly win-loss record.
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Post#99 Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing
Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:35 pm by montestewart

Perhaps Leonsis the businessman has market research showing a loyal hardcore following of paying Wizards fans who will continue to pay no matter what product is offered, their dollars providing a safety net against bad decision making. The fans. The cattle. The peons. We don't belong to the same clubs as he does.
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Post#100 Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing
Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:21 pm by barelyawake

Ted: We need to tank to get franchise players to build a champion for the next decade.
Ernie: I'll tank, but you need to give me job assurance because I don't want to be held accountable for the awful record you want.
Fans: This GM sucks because he's losing and not signing second round pick roll players that would help us win three more games than we have won.

All these meaningless players you drool over DO NOT MATTER. The NBA is a star driven league. Learn it. Accept it. Without a top ten player, you OUGHT to be tanking. Ernie isn't good, or great, but he is doing his job.

Wall
Beal
Shabazz
Nene
Seraphin

Is actually a very good team...
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Post#101 Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing
Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:28 pm by nate33

barelyawake wrote:Ted: We need to tank to get franchise players to build a champion for the next decade.
Ernie: I'll tank, but you need to give me job assurance because I don't want to be held accountable for the awful record you want.
Ridiculous fans: This GM sucks because he's losing and not signing second round pick roll players that would help us win three more games than we have won.

All these meaningless players you drool over DO NOT MATTER. The NBA is a star driven league. Learn it. Accept it. Without a top ten player, you OUGHT to be tanking. Ernie isn't good, or great, but he is doing his job.

Wall
Beal
Shabazz
Nene
Seraphin

Is actually a very good team...

If the intent was to tank, then we had no business making the Okariza acquisition (or the Nene trade, for that matter).

I'm sure we'd all feel a bit better about being 0-16 if we had max cap room this summer. At least then, it would feel like a plan. But what's happening isn't a plan. This is simply failure. Fire EG.
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Post#102 Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing
Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:33 pm by FAH1223

Guys, flood Ted Leonsis twitter with #FireGrunfeld and suggestions of new GMs
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Post#103 Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing
Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:12 pm by barelyawake

No, the plan for this year was not to tank.

But, I'm talking about the list of "EG failures" that includes years where his job was to tank.

This year, our two best players are out.
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Post#104 Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing
Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:26 pm by TGW

barelyawake wrote:No, the plan for this year was not to tank.

But, I'm talking about the list of "EG failures" that includes years where his job was to tank.

This year, our two best players are out.


I don't buy the whole "his job was to tank" narrative. His job is to put a competitive basketball team on the court, and he has failed miserably. There are better teams that the Wizards that have made better draft picks at much lower draft positions than the Wizards, so even if the job were to tank, how can you be happy with the players they've gotten from tanking? Even if you were right, EG still fails.
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Post#105 Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing
Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:51 pm by dandridge 10

nate33 wrote:
barelyawake wrote:Ted: We need to tank to get franchise players to build a champion for the next decade.
Ernie: I'll tank, but you need to give me job assurance because I don't want to be held accountable for the awful record you want.
Ridiculous fans: This GM sucks because he's losing and not signing second round pick roll players that would help us win three more games than we have won.

All these meaningless players you drool over DO NOT MATTER. The NBA is a star driven league. Learn it. Accept it. Without a top ten player, you OUGHT to be tanking. Ernie isn't good, or great, but he is doing his job.

Wall
Beal
Shabazz
Nene
Seraphin

Is actually a very good team...

If the intent was to tank, then we had no business making the Okariza acquisition (or the Nene trade, for that matter).

I'm sure we'd all feel a bit better about being 0-16 if we had max cap room this summer. At least then, it would feel like a plan. But what's happening isn't a plan. This is simply failure. Fire EG.


+1,000,000. It was clear that both EG and Ted believed we had enough young talent and that we just needed to develop it. In addition to blowing the cap space on Okariza, they also picked a Euro stash in the second round. There was no plan to get additional youth, just a plan to develop what we have. Unfortunately, what we have is not very good and outside of possibly Wall and Beal, are not going to be more than role players. Agree, Fire Ernie.
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Post#106 Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing
Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:29 am by truwizfan4evr

FAH1223 wrote:Guys, flood Ted Leonsis twitter with #FireGrunfeld and suggestions of new GMs

I try that already no answer.
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Post#107 Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing
Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:46 am by FAH1223

so i tweeted
#WizardsTalk How do you keep a GM for 10 years when he's had the 3rd worst record in the @NBA in that span? No more excuses, #FireGrunfeld


and then the NBA retweets me

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Post#108 Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing
Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:58 am by truwizfan4evr

If anyone has Ted added to there face book maybe they can send him a message? I try to add him on face book but his friends list was filled with to many people. As for twitter he never answer he just get on to post his blogs.
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Post#109 Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing
Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:13 am by WizarDynasty

Wall and nene are just as much to blame as grunfeld and Leonsis and Whitman. Nene is leader of post players and wall is leader of the backcourt. Wall and nene should be heavily involve in designing new plays daily for the fourth quarter chess match each night that is tailored to the opponent. We brought Nene here for his basketball IQ but so far we have seen very low designed basketball plays for our post players. Is Leonsis ensuring that Nene is actively participating in teh design of post plays for bigs each Leonsis must design a system that encourages Nene ay. Have we set up a system to evaluate Nene installed plays or are we letting Nene sit on bench and twiddle his thumbs while he earns a paycheck. nene is hee for his basketball to ue his years of basketball iq to design plays so that he becomes a mental post asset. The same standards must be applied to wall but at even higher level. this organization can no longer afford to put all play daily play designing on coaches because coaches come and go.


You best believe that Chris Paul had revamped his team's entire offense. That's teh job of a franchise point guard. It what he does off the court to prepare his team mentally to respond --in game time to oppsoing defensive adjustments. Right now this organization has yet to force Wall and Nene to take responsibilty for daily play design and in game adjustments.
this is what separates a chris paul, a deron williams, a mike conley, john stockton, jason kidd--from shooting guards who pretend to be point guards. It the mental play designing time and leadership you spend off the court. I think Wall definitely has the personality and drive, but he is stuck in a wizard's culture that lacks longterm vision of molding a great point guard with off the chart intangibles. Wall has outstanding off the wall intangibles but we coaches that force wall to design plays and instead we bring in system coaches that transform wall into a robot with no responsibility for play designing against opposing defenses.

in order for the wizards to ever become elite, wall has to be transformed into a play designer with leadership skills that allow him to instructs in quick over time the plays that he designs. He won't be able to react to defenses quickly unless he is forced to design plays that respond to defensive adjustments. Right now wall is a shooting guard and is not worth a max contract if we are currently not forcing him to become a play designer in between games based on defenses. the elite point guards in this league have always been great play designers against the most complex of defenses. This entails orchestrated the other four players on the court to work in a rhythmic fashion doing multiple movements at the exact same time to create an easy shot on offense based on teh defense. Its all orchestrated by the point guard and if point guard isn't heavily involved in designing plays he doesn't get an opportunity to experience the pleasure when his specialty designed plays actually work. A point guard knows the physical limitations of his players and designs plays that maximize their strengths better than a coach who isn't physical out the court using his body. Coach may be using his mental skills but he is always detached from feeling the actual bumps, knowing how much stress you knee takes on a particular cut, or how hard you fall after a collision. Point guards are much more intuned with teh physical nature of each game and should be just as much involved in play designing taking these factors into account for their team mates. this is what makes chris paul great.
Sam cassell was and always will be a shooting guard, whitman will always be what he was in his nba games, and enforcers with no offensive basketball skills. Whitman will never be able to teach Booker the mechanics needed to do a reverse layup. Whitman will never install a player that calls for Booker or vesely to execute a reverse layup as the end result of a play. this is why Livingston Wall foundation is critical.

iq longterm and Fourth quarter success should be pinned on foundational players and be results and IQ fourth quarter driven even if they aren't on the court. Fourth quarter paddy execution and how effective were the ten consecutive fourth quarter tailored plays that wall spent all night designing for the particular defense and how well did wall teach these plays in short amount of time. A point guard is not only a player but a coach and leader off the court.. Only Leonsis can ensure that this happens. Wall has to ne treated like a foundational player off the court. Leonsis has to force a culture change here in Washington
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Post#110 Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing
Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:36 am by blazinskillz

WizarDynasty wrote:Wall and nene are just as much to blame as grunfeld and Leonsis and Whitman. Nene is leader of post players and wall is leader of the backcourt. Wall and nene should bree heavily involve in designing new plays daily for the fifty quarter chess match each night that is tailored to the opponent. Fourth quarter success should be pinned on foundational players and be results and IQ fourth quarter driven even if they aren't on the court. Fourth quarter paddy execution and how effective were the ten consecutive fourth quarter tailored plays that wall spent all night designing for the particular defense and how well did wall teach these plays in short amount of time. A point guard is not only a player but a coach and leader off the court.. Only Leonsis can ensure that this happens. Wall has to ne treated like a foundational player off the court. Leonsis has to force a culture change here in Washington


Here Ernie, how you doing. Or you must be a relative or some sorts cause that's a bunch of baloney. I've seen Wall in the huddle, encouraging Beal and others. And btw, hwo do you know that they don't? Excuse me if I'm wrong, but when I watch CSN Wizards games, I'd be lucky if I get a shot of Wall or Nene that's over 4 secs long. Meaning that we're not watching the Wall and Nene halftime show or in game show, we simply don't know. At the end of the day, you cannot force a player to become a coach.
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