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Re: Enough With the Kvetching: Wiz Are Best 0-9 Team EVER! 

Post#21 » by queridiculo » Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:16 am

What I find quite amusing Nivek is that CSN has picked up on those stats and how Buckhantz has mentioned it and back to back games now as if it was some sort of silver lining.

What a joke.
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Re: Enough With the Kvetching: Wiz Are Best 0-9 Team EVER! 

Post#22 » by pineappleheadindc » Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:02 am

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Wizards schedule after 11/24 loss to Charlotte

Monday, Nov 26 -- vs San Antonio (Loss)
Wednesday, Nov 28 -- vs Portland
Friday, Nov 30 -- at New York
Tuesday, Dec 4 -- vs Miami
Friday, Dec 7 -- at Atlanta
Saturday, Dec 8 -- vs Golden State
Tuesday, Dec 11 -- at New Orleans (this loss would tie us at 0-18)
Wednesday, Dec 12 -- at Houston


This was wasn't even a moral victory (® Kevin Broom). One down, seven more to go in order to achieve the record.
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Re: Enough With the Kvetching: Wiz Are Best 0-9 Team EVER! 

Post#23 » by queridiculo » Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:20 am

0-16 before we have a legit shot at picking up the first season victory.

The problem, we face a Golden State team that has no problem putting up numbers.
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Re: Enough With the Kvetching: Wiz Are Best 0-9 Team EVER! 

Post#24 » by hands11 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:42 am

Can we get a thread title update.

Give them their do. 0-12 is no small accomplishment.
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Post#25 » by Illuminaire » Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:32 am

We might not be the best 0-12 team ever though. Not after what San Antonio dropped on us.
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Re: Enough With the Kvetching: Wiz Are Best 0-9 Team EVER! 

Post#26 » by pancakes3 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:55 am

I'm no stat guru but I can cherrypick with the best of them. Here is some of my findings (before the SA shellacking gets updated to B-R. I can update this tomorrow):

-Vesely has more fouls than rebounds.
-6/15 roster players can power forwards and yet we only have 1 legitimate shooting guard.
-We supposedly have a roster to complement THE best penetrating guard and yet no players on our team that cracks 40% from 3.
-Martel Webster is hands down the best player we've got right now and yet he's 8th in minutes played.
-Webster's made more FT's than Ariza's taken despite playing in 66 less (25% less) minutes.
-Other than pargo, Ariza is the most inefficient scorer on the team. Less efficient than even Vesely.
-Vesely has more fouls than shot attempts (or points).
-Of the 9 guys that have started for the wizards, 4 shoot below 40%, 4 shoot above, and 1 shoots exactly 40%.
-AJ price has jacked more 3's than Webster's taken shots.
-Price is 3rd in shot attempts but 9th in FT attempts.
-Price has already been surpassed in FT attempts by Nene in only 2 games.
-Ves, Singleton, and Barron would all foul out per-36.
-Vesely has more shot attempts (and points) than rebounds.
-The wizards collectively have taken 54 more shots than their opponents but made 15 less field goals.
-The wizards have played 100 more minutes than the Grizzlies but have scored 120 less points.
-The heat lead the league in fg% at 49% and the Wizards are dead last at 39%
-No team since the 60's have shot less than 40%. The closest was the '99 lockout bulls.
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Re: Enough With the Kvetching: Wiz Are Best 0-9 Team EVER! 

Post#27 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:46 am

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WizarDynasty wrote:looks like mullen(s) and aminu are alot better than Crowder and Mo Almond. Wish we had traded for one of those two players.

4-year vet Mullens and year 3-vet Aminu are both getting minutes and looking better than in the past, but Crowder's a rookie, yet he has a better WS/48 than the other two. Almond, well, that's another story.


Mo Almond should never give up on his dream. What I hope happens for Almond is that he gets back on a D-League roster and he gets called up by a team like the Spurs, Thunder, or Grizzlies later this year if they have injuries. Sometimes a little luck can make a big difference in a career.

P. J. Tucker bounced out of the NBA in 2006, and he's on a roster today with the Suns playing nearly 20 minutes a game. http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... epj01.html

From ages of 22 to 27, Roger Mason was a HORRIBLE NBA player whose career PER and WS/48 were lower than Almond's through his Mo's present age of 27. Roger Mason's career numbers improved when he was 27. http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... nro01.html

Last season, Almond was on the court for the Wizards 26 minutes in a win over Cleveland. Almond was on the court 26 minutes in win over the Miami. The Wizards WON all 4 games Almond played.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... elog/2012/

The player who had the greatest net + ratio on the Wizards was Morris Almond. http://www.82games.com/1112/1112WAS.HTM

For the 66 minutes that Morris Almond played for the Wizards, the score per-48 minutes was Wizards 109.6 - Opponents 85.1, to a rounded +24.6 for Wizards. When he was off the court (3000+ minutes) the Wizards were a -7.4.

Morris Almond rated a +31.0 with him on the court.

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Post#28 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:07 am

What the Wizards SHOULD HAVE DONE was bring back James Singleton, Shelvin Mack, and Morris Almond; in addition to Cartier Martin.

They should have traded Jordan Crawford because for all the points he gets they would be better off playing "sorry" Morris Almond. What I KNOW is the guy is intelligent and he will not hurt a team and he showed a real improvement on defense. The guy was scared and missed some shots but he will not hurt a team like Crawford consistently does.

The Wizards could have brought back those guys, drafted Beal, signed Lou Williams and Brand; and gone at it this season with those guys.

I would have waited to amnesty Blatche and simply bought out Lewis.

The team that won 6 games at the end of last season did so against weak competition, but did so with Vesely, Seraphin, Martin, and James Singleton all flowing together (with Crawford). They had Nene as a leader but he missed games then, too.

Washington and fans always like to single out certain players, but as far as I'm concerned the only things Morris Almond did bad were to shoot 6-17 and to look stiff at times. His play was QUITE effective, especially the 5 steals against the Heat.

Only a team with a really bad GM would fail to notice that guys like James Singleton, Shelvin Mack, and Almond were a part of some success last season.
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Post#29 » by BruceO » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:10 am

i can't wait till we are 0-18. we might not make it but we'll be the best 0-18 team ever because we'll be the only 0-18 team or is it 0-19 needed? team ever. imagine of all the horrible teams ever witnessed we going for the record. atleast according to some at the game teds beginning to break
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Re: Enough With the Kvetching: Wiz Are Best 0-9 Team EVER! 

Post#30 » by sashae » Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:45 pm

More statistical fun:

- 47 players are attempting 4.3 or more 3pt shots per game this season. Brad Beal ranks 40th (dead last) in eFG% with .391. He ranks 33rd (.327) out of 47 in 3pt%.
- Trevor Ariza has an eFG% of .362, worst in the history of the franchise for players who've started more than 10 games and played more than 22 minutes.
- Brad Beal and Emeka Okafor are shooting .391 and .404 eFG -- 6th and 7th worst in franchise history.

Updated after last night's San Antonio game, idea from Truth About It.

Also, Jan Vesely has more fouls (34) than shots (30), rebounds (29) or points (29.) He is historically awful.
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Re: Enough With the Kvetching: Wiz Are Best 0-9 Team EVER! 

Post#31 » by nate33 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:11 pm

sashae wrote:Also, Jan Vesely has more fouls (34) than shots (30), rebounds (29) or points (29.) He is historically awful.

This has to be the most amazing statistic I have ever seen. There have been a handful of "goons" in the NBA who foul more than they score, (guys like Greg Kite or Chris Dudley) but at least they rebound. I wouldn't be surprised if nobody has ever achieved 30 fouls before getting 30 points or 30 boards. Good God! Get him off the team! He is one of the worst busts of the decade.
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Post#32 » by Nivek » Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:25 pm

12 players since 1985-86 have accomplished 30+ personal fouls while scoring fewer than 30 points and grabbing fewer than 30 rebounds.

The list:

  1. Michael Curry
  2. Vesely
  3. Granville Waiters
  4. Jeff Cross
  5. Cedric Bozeman
  6. Eric Snow
  7. Jay Humphries
  8. Aleksandar Radojevic
  9. Evan Eschmeyer
  10. Mike Williams
  11. Michael Stewart
  12. William Cunningham

Clearly a precursor to multiple All-Star appearances.
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Post#33 » by keynote » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:12 pm

Shout out to Nivek and his Moral Victories tracker for getting linked to by Grantland:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... he-wizards

You may have heard that the Washington Professional Basketball Team has not won a game this season. They have been close in several and played hard in most, and they certainly lead the league in moral victories.
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Post#34 » by cwb3 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:41 pm

This thread will nourish me thru these hard times. . .kudo's to all involved! :P
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Post#35 » by sashae » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:01 pm

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Post#36 » by Nivek » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:05 pm

keynote wrote:Shout out to Nivek and his Moral Victories tracker for getting linked to by Grantland:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... he-wizards

You may have heard that the Washington Professional Basketball Team has not won a game this season. They have been close in several and played hard in most, and they certainly lead the league in moral victories.


This is way cool. :D

That story went live 2 hours ago and I already have a single-day traffic record on my blog. Wow.
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Post#37 » by keynote » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:11 pm

Yeah, I gotta say that, from a consumer's perspective, Simmons' Grantland experiment has been a huge success. I read more articles there than I do on ESPN.com proper.

Anyway, congrats for getting the rub. Don't let your new-found fame change you. :)
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Post#38 » by leswizards » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:10 pm

I am guessing that there are too many people under the delusion that the Wizards are going to make the playoffs this year. But, for those who are holding out hope that once John Wall returns, the Wizards can turn things around and make a run at the playoff, nine teams in the East have records better than .500. That means evens if the Wizards go 38 and 23 (a 62.2% winning percentage) the rest of the way, it still might not be good enough to make the playoffs. I guess it is time to start talking about the next draft.
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Post#39 » by nate33 » Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:55 pm

Vesely update:

Digging deeper into the numbers, I see that Vesely isn't quite as epically sucky as I had thought. His incredible feat of accumulating more fouls than points, rebounds and assists has been duplicated 20 times. Here is a list of the 20 players who have totaled more fouls than points, rebounds or assists, while playing at least 200 minutes:

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Player         Season  MP   PF  PTS TRB AST
Jason Collins  2007-08 1172 194 140 178 25 
Duane Causwell 1996-97 581  131 118 127 20 
Greg Dreiling  1991-92 509  123 117 96  25 
Fabricio Obert 2009-10 650  121 83  105 51 
Mark Madsen    2006-07 473  100 61  87  10 
Martin Nessley 1987-88 336  89  48  82  16 
Johnny High    1983-84 512  84  46  66  51 
Bill Curley    1998-99 372  83  78  51  14 
Eric Montross  1999-00 332  81  40  72  7   
John Edwards   2005-06 296  76  70  48  5   
Hasheem Thabe  2010-11 373  76  53  75  4   
Felton Spencer 2001-02 248  73  29  50  3   
Jason Collins  2008-09 422  73  57  70  11 
Mario West     2007-08 269  61  59  48  13 
Jake Voskuhl   2008-09 240  60  35  59  8   
Jim McIlvaine  1998-99 269  59  48  54  2   
Keith Askins   1998-99 415  58  53  44  10 
Brian Cardinal 2009-10 267  56  48  29  24 
Mark West      1983-84 202  55  37  46  13 
Michael Curry  2004-05 249  39  30  27  15 

Jan Vesely     2012-13 191  37  31  34  11 

Vesely is sitting pretty at 191 minutes, anxiously awaiting to join the club. The question is, will he maintain his remarkable pace for an entire season, or will he at some point "break out" and manage to score 10 points or so in a game and ruin his average.

By the way, LOL at Jason Collins.
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Post#40 » by BigA » Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:46 pm

nate33 wrote:Vesely update:

Digging deeper into the numbers, I see that Vesely isn't quite as epically sucky as I had thought. His incredible feat of accumulating more fouls than points, rebounds and assists has been duplicated 20 times. Here is a list of the 20 players who have totaled more fouls than points, rebounds or assists, while playing at least 200 minutes:

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Player         Season  MP   PF  PTS TRB AST
Jason Collins  2007-08 1172 194 140 178 25 
Duane Causwell 1996-97 581  131 118 127 20 
Greg Dreiling  1991-92 509  123 117 96  25 
Fabricio Obert 2009-10 650  121 83  105 51 
Mark Madsen    2006-07 473  100 61  87  10 
Martin Nessley 1987-88 336  89  48  82  16 
Johnny High    1983-84 512  84  46  66  51 
Bill Curley    1998-99 372  83  78  51  14 
Eric Montross  1999-00 332  81  40  72  7   
John Edwards   2005-06 296  76  70  48  5   
Hasheem Thabe  2010-11 373  76  53  75  4   
Felton Spencer 2001-02 248  73  29  50  3   
Jason Collins  2008-09 422  73  57  70  11 
Mario West     2007-08 269  61  59  48  13 
Jake Voskuhl   2008-09 240  60  35  59  8   
Jim McIlvaine  1998-99 269  59  48  54  2   
Keith Askins   1998-99 415  58  53  44  10 
Brian Cardinal 2009-10 267  56  48  29  24 
Mark West      1983-84 202  55  37  46  13 
Michael Curry  2004-05 249  39  30  27  15 

Jan Vesely     2012-13 191  37  31  34  11 

Vesely is sitting pretty at 191 minutes, anxiously awaiting to join the club. The question is, will he maintain his remarkable pace for an entire season, or will he at some point "break out" and manage to score 10 points or so in a game and ruin his average.

By the way, LOL at Jason Collins.


So Vesely is essentially stuffing the stat sheet for the Wiz the same way Fabricio Oberto did in 09-10.

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