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Re: Sign Livingston Longterm ASAP #1 Priority Thread!! 

Post#31 » by Nivek » Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:43 pm

Don't know about you, but I'm blown away with Livingston's hoops IQ so far. Small sample size, but it's not just the .417 efg, 96 ortg, or 3.8 assists per 36 minutes -- it's the way he's getting them. WOW!
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Post#32 » by AFM » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:12 pm

Now now Kevin, do you want another surface to air missile?
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Post#33 » by Nivek » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:38 pm

Why would WizD fire on me (again)? I'm supporting his contention with cold, hard, statistical facts. It takes the finest hoops IQ of a generation to post career numbers like Livingston's .462 efg, 5.5 assists per 36 minutes, and an ortg of 100. And again, it's not just the numbers themselves that make observers say WOW, it's the way he gets them.
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Post#35 » by cwb3 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:11 pm

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Post#36 » by closg00 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:55 pm

I wish to withdraw/amend my support of SL. I would rather we put our efforts into plucking an overlooked player in-need of an opportunity like Orlando's Brian Roberts. Alternately I would sign him to a 1-year vet minimum deal if we had no other prospects.
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Post#37 » by WizarDynasty » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:58 pm

roberts seems like a decent offensive burst off the bench for a change of pace but he definitely isn't changing teh culture like a longterm deal with Livingston will.
Wizards will continue be a low iq bunch until they get at least a part-time high bbiq floor general with off the court high level play design aptitude.
An offensive burst player almost never improves the longterm basketball iq of his team which is how you move from mediocre to deep playoff. The team has a need for talent no matter where it comes from but talent with high BBIQ has to be the priority especially with a low bbiq franchise point guard longterm.
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Post#38 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:35 pm

closg00 wrote:I wish to withdraw/amend my support of SL. I would rather we put our efforts into plucking an overlooked player in-need of an opportunity like Orlando's Brian Roberts. Alternately I would sign him to a 1-year vet minimum deal if we had no other prospects.


Instead of Livingston, who already missed a game hurt, why not give a new guy a shot?

Josh Akognon is pretty similar to Brian Roberts. Scoring guard who can play point. Big-time success in a foreign league. Akognon blew up in SL--the Vegas Summer league.
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Post#39 » by pancakes3 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:19 am

I would be wary of d-league guards. There are a lot of NBA castoffs that are making d-leaguers look like fools but would never be able to hack if let back into the league. Guys like Marcus Banks who's dropping 18ppg on 50/40/85 shooting percentages, or our old friend Antonio Daniels who's a top 5 pg in the D-League, or Blake Ahearn who consistently tears the d-league apart but never lasts in NBA call-ups.

And not to further crap on our suggestion, CCJ but Akognon isn't even listed at 6 feet. If all-conference stars like Sean Singletary or go further back - Khalid El-Amin can't hack it in the NBA, I don't think hot-handed d-leaguers can.

As for Brian Roberts, in all likelihood he'll pan out like Sundiata Gaines or Eric Maynor.

BTW, all of the guys mentioned thus far are only marginally better than Shelvin Mack. I don't understand why EG found his play to be so egregious that we had to cut him in favor of... Pargo.
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Post#40 » by BigA » Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:21 pm

he a bust
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Post#41 » by cwb3 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:47 pm

pancakes3 wrote:

BTW, all of the guys mentioned thus far are only marginally better than Shelvin Mack. I don't understand why EG found his play to be so egregious that we had to cut him in favor of... Pargo.


I dunno. . .Mack looked soooo bad in Vegas Summer League, I was rooting for an alternative b/u PG after that.
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Re: Sign Livingston Longterm ASAP #1 Priority Thread!! 

Post#42 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:49 pm

payitforward wrote:Not to hijack this thread, but I wonder how many of you realize that the Celtics just waived Darko Milicic.

This may be one of the few highpick-busts still out there for the Wizards. I think we need him and bad. Today.

Dunno about his test-taking skills, however....


Payitforward. You are now, officially, my favorite poster.

Too funny.

I'm wondering, though, if maybe we are too locked into an old paradigm.

Do you think there is a way for the Wiz to identify and develop their own highpick busts/future veteran leaders?

Sounds crazy, but hear me out.

We'd have to look for the right combination of future attributes in a young man. He needs to be wholly unaccomplished as a basketball player. He must have some physical attribute that resembles something outstanding in some other player -- good leaping ability, long arms, a unibrow. He must have read Faust.

Let's say, he skates along with unimpressive stats (1.2 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 1.5 to, .3 blks) for a number of years BUT manages to stay out of jail, strip clubs, the Ponderosa Steak House all-you-can-eat buffet line.

He can be the Wizards own homegrown veteran presence. He could mentor the next generation of never going to be's and wouldn't cost the Wiz $40 million of cap space, a second round pick and a 2 for 1 coupon at Chipotle.

We could suck exactly as badly as we do now... but we wouldn't have to waste anyone's time contemplating and dissecting cr@p for cr@p moves like Lewis for Okariza.
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Post#43 » by WizarDynasty » Sat Dec 1, 2012 12:19 am

Leonsis needs to get to work if he truly wants a culture change. Just keeping the watch going.
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Post#44 » by Nivek » Sat Dec 1, 2012 12:37 am

Ted was working on culture change today.

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Re: Sign Livingston Longterm ASAP #1 Priority Thread!! 

Post#45 » by payitforward » Sat Dec 1, 2012 3:53 am

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
payitforward wrote:Not to hijack this thread, but I wonder how many of you realize that the Celtics just waived Darko Milicic.

This may be one of the few highpick-busts still out there for the Wizards. I think we need him and bad. Today.

Dunno about his test-taking skills, however....


...a way for the Wiz to identify and develop their own highpick busts/future veteran leaders?... He must have read Faust. ... BUT manages to stay out of jail, strip clubs, ... and a 2 for 1 coupon at Chipotle.


If he reads Faust *at the strip club* can he go? At least once in a while? As long as he uses that Chipotle 2fer coupon?
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Post#46 » by WizarDynasty » Wed Dec 5, 2012 2:12 am

another week gone by and EG and the SAvior are still leaving our future BBIQ cornerstone up to chance.
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Post#47 » by Upper Decker » Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:30 am

Honestly i dont know who is worse livingston or pargo. Livingstons lack of ability to apply any pressure on the defense is amazing. The only thing he can do is post up smaller pg's, however, he never generates good looks. His shots are always 14 foot turn arounds. Very andray blatche. This thread is a joke.
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Post#48 » by tontoz » Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:46 am

I think i could make a bigger impact on the game than Livingston.
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Post#49 » by WizarDynasty » Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:47 am

you keep him for his bbiq and ability to diagnose defenses. He is a backup point guard if you haven't read the thread already. He compliments john wall's weaknesses, not duplicates john walls strengths, the most important weakness he compliments of john wall is john wall's lack of hi bbiq while actually being on the court. NO point in rehashing points that i have already developed. Livingston is a backup point guard, with off the chart bbiq and needs to the wizards longterm backup point guard because of hi BBIQ, not his defensive ability or ability to dominate of offense. If he was that good, he would be a starter. A career backup with outstanding basketball iq is a very rare commodity in the nba.
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Post#50 » by Upper Decker » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:06 am

Pretty much every team except indiana has a better backup pg than washington. NOH has brian roberts, who's smoking livingston. Who is roberts?? Ive never heard of him before.

Next question, who's the wores 3 point shooter: wall or livingston?

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