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Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

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Is Jan Vesely a Bust?

Yes, I've seen enough, Jan Vesely is a Bust for a 6th pick
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No, let's wait to see how he plays with JW and Nene
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Post#121 Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust
Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:14 pm by Halcyon

That's why he's on my elite ignore list monte, the one and only so far.
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Post#122 Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust
Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:21 pm by montestewart

Halcyon wrote:That's why he's on my elite ignore list monte, the one and only so far.

I have to admit, the people that some put on ignore are often quite entertaining to me. Ahhh, remember Ace Degenerate?

For all I know, a bunch of people have me on ignore.
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Post#123 Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust
Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:47 pm by AFM

I could never put Knight or WizD on ignore. They make this board. I'm pretty certain at least one of them is EG himself.
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Post#124 Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust
Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:43 pm by GoWizGo

Sorry if this has already been written.

When shoot first PG Crawford is in the game, why not move Vesely to SG.

Remember when Jan Vesely 1.0 was with the Wizards, Jared Jeffries, he was a very productive player at the SG.

Vesely height and athleticism would be a huge advantage on offense and defense.

His hot potato passing would work better on the perimeter on offense. He could back down SGs on offense and create easier shots for himself.

With his height, it would obviously make it hard for SGs to shoot over him.

Also, since every low post player now wants to work out with Hakeem in the offseason, Vesely should reach out to players with his similar athleticism and beg them to teach him ACTUAL basketball skills (Brent Barry, Dominque, Ice Man, etc)
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Post#125 Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust
Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:44 pm by GhostsOfGil

GoWizGo wrote:Sorry if this has already been written.

When shoot first PG Crawford is in the game, why not move Vesely to SG.

Remember when Jan Vesely 1.0 was with the Wizards, Jared Jeffries, he was a very productive player at the SG.

Vesely height and athleticism would be a huge advantage on offense and defense.

His hot potato passing would work better on the perimeter on offense. He could back down SGs on offense and create easier shots for himself.

With his height, it would obviously make it hard for SGs to shoot over him.

Also, since every low post player now wants to work out with Hakeem in the offseason, Vesely should reach out to players with his similar athleticism and beg them to teach him ACTUAL basketball skills (Brent Barry, Dominque, Ice Man, etc)


WizD is that you? I'm having trouble figuring out if this is a serious post or not.
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Post#126 Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust
Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:46 pm by pineappleheadindc

GoWizGo wrote:Sorry if this has already been written.

When shoot first PG Crawford is in the game, why not move Vesely to SG.

Remember when Jan Vesely 1.0 was with the Wizards, Jared Jeffries, he was a very productive player at the SG.

Vesely height and athleticism would be a huge advantage on offense and defense.

His hot potato passing would work better on the perimeter on offense. He could back down SGs on offense and create easier shots for himself.

With his height, it would obviously make it hard for SGs to shoot over him.

Also, since every low post player now wants to work out with Hakeem in the offseason, Vesely should reach out to players with his similar athleticism and beg them to teach him ACTUAL basketball skills (Brent Barry, Dominque, Ice Man, etc)



Vesely at *shooting* guard? Really?
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Post#127 Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust
Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:53 pm by nate33

GoWizGo wrote:Sorry if this has already been written.

When shoot first PG Crawford is in the game, why not move Vesely to SG.

Remember when Jan Vesely 1.0 was with the Wizards, Jared Jeffries, he was a very productive player at the SG.

Vesely height and athleticism would be a huge advantage on offense and defense.

His hot potato passing would work better on the perimeter on offense. He could back down SGs on offense and create easier shots for himself.

With his height, it would obviously make it hard for SGs to shoot over him.

Also, since every low post player now wants to work out with Hakeem in the offseason, Vesely should reach out to players with his similar athleticism and beg them to teach him ACTUAL basketball skills (Brent Barry, Dominque, Ice Man, etc)

What's sad is that I don't think Vesely could even post up a shooting guard. It wouldn't matter though. With Vesely on the court at SG, we wouldn't have enough players to spread the floor in order to even give Vesely a post up opportunity. Other teams would just pack the paint.

Also, other teams would guard Vesely with a SF and put their SG on Webster, so there goes whatever matchup advantage you were hoping for.
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Post#128 Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust
Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:54 pm by AFM

Why not play him at Point? Let him break these young fellas off with a quick cross over shammgod
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Post#129 Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust
Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:56 pm by Halcyon

GoWizGo wrote:Sorry if this has already been written.

When shoot first PG Crawford is in the game, why not move Vesely to SG.

Remember when Jan Vesely 1.0 was with the Wizards, Jared Jeffries, he was a very productive player at the SG.

Vesely height and athleticism would be a huge advantage on offense and defense.

His hot potato passing would work better on the perimeter on offense. He could back down SGs on offense and create easier shots for himself.

With his height, it would obviously make it hard for SGs to shoot over him.

Also, since every low post player now wants to work out with Hakeem in the offseason, Vesely should reach out to players with his similar athleticism and beg them to teach him ACTUAL basketball skills (Brent Barry, Dominque, Ice Man, etc)

This is a lesson...not all thoughts should be posts.
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Post#130 Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust
Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:59 pm by Knighthonor

montestewart wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:Have some love for the guy people. not really his fault 100% for being drafted at number 6. Lot of pressure is on his shoulders. Same with Beal.


Knighthonor wrote:Why won't you all just admit he a bust like Vesly is a bust? Get out with it already!!!!

You know, like I know he is a bust.


Told you he was a troll.

well people cant have a change of morals?
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Post#131 Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust
Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:03 pm by GoWizGo

i'm serious with the post. Jeffries could't shoot either, but he worked well at SG when he played with the wiz. The Wiz have to try something to get his confidence back. Putting him with shooters like Crawford and Webster could help.

They got to try something with the guy. I had a bad feeling about him before that draft and he has been even worse than i thought.

My favorite player in that draft was Valanciunas. He is going to be a top 50 player in the league in 3 years. The Wizards were that close to getting him. I still hope Vesely can be a productive bench player in the near future.
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Post#132 Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust
Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:30 pm by pancakes3

Jeffries never played shooting guard for any meaningful minutes. Jarvis Hayes, Butler, Daniels, and Dixon mopped up the non-Arenas guard minutes. There may have been a few plays in between substitutions where there were 3 forwards on the floor (Jamison, Butler, and Jeffries) but Jeffries was definitely not the primary offensive threat in any of those plays be it posting up or face up.
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Post#133 Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust
Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:04 pm by closg00

nate33 wrote:
GoWizGo wrote:Sorry if this has already been written.

When shoot first PG Crawford is in the game, why not move Vesely to SG.

Remember when Jan Vesely 1.0 was with the Wizards, Jared Jeffries, he was a very productive player at the SG.

Vesely height and athleticism would be a huge advantage on offense and defense.

His hot potato passing would work better on the perimeter on offense. He could back down SGs on offense and create easier shots for himself.

With his height, it would obviously make it hard for SGs to shoot over him.

Also, since every low post player now wants to work out with Hakeem in the offseason, Vesely should reach out to players with his similar athleticism and beg them to teach him ACTUAL basketball skills (Brent Barry, Dominque, Ice Man, etc)

What's sad is thatI don't think Vesely could even post up a shooting guard. It wouldn't matter though. With Vesely on the court at SG, we wouldn't have enough players to spread the floor in order to even give Vesely a post up opportunity. Other teams would just pack the paint.

Also, other teams would guard Vesely with a SF and put their SG on Webster, so there goes whatever matchup advantage you were hoping for.


I have seen Jan being bodied-up by a guard and not post-up. Yep, seen-it with my own eyes.
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Post#134 Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust
Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:43 pm by montestewart

Knighthonor wrote:
montestewart wrote:
Knighthonor wrote:Have some love for the guy people. not really his fault 100% for being drafted at number 6. Lot of pressure is on his shoulders. Same with Beal.


Knighthonor wrote:Why won't you all just admit he a bust like Vesly is a bust? Get out with it already!!!!

You know, like I know he is a bust.


Told you he was a troll.

well people cant have a change of morals?

Sky people, surely. Forest people, perhaps. But not well people, never well people.
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Post#135 Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust
Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:44 pm by montestewart

he a bust, he a bust
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Post#136 Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust
Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:02 pm by popper

closg00 wrote:The air-balled FT's and hot potato basketball passing are related obviously. In a re-draft Jan might be a mid 2nd rounder. After workouts, perhaps not drafted at all.

The Wiz staff were supposedly unanimous about picking Jan according to Mike Lee, but now I think that quote was another clever leak by Grunfeld himself. If the staff were truly unanimous, then Grunfeld is surrounded by Rico's :)
I think it's a lie that they were unanimous....one would hope right?


I have to agree. The entire scouting staff can't be as clueless as EG.
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Post#137 Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust
Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:44 pm by montestewart

popper wrote:
closg00 wrote:The air-balled FT's and hot potato basketball passing are related obviously. In a re-draft Jan might be a mid 2nd rounder. After workouts, perhaps not drafted at all.

The Wiz staff were supposedly unanimous about picking Jan according to Mike Lee, but now I think that quote was another clever leak by Grunfeld himself. If the staff were truly unanimous, then Grunfeld is surrounded by Rico's :)
I think it's a lie that they were unanimous....one would hope right?


I have to agree. The entire scouting staff can't be as clueless as EG.

It's been suggested that management has cultivated an atmosphere that promotes groupthink and rewards yes men. A lot of opinions probably aren't aired, they just wait to see which way the winds blowing and drop in behind.

The organization won't get better until they get rid of all the management knuckleheads, bring in some forward thinking veterans, and start to change the culture.
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Post#138 Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust
Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:30 pm by Mizerooskie

montestewart wrote:
popper wrote:
closg00 wrote:The air-balled FT's and hot potato basketball passing are related obviously. In a re-draft Jan might be a mid 2nd rounder. After workouts, perhaps not drafted at all.

The Wiz staff were supposedly unanimous about picking Jan according to Mike Lee, but now I think that quote was another clever leak by Grunfeld himself. If the staff were truly unanimous, then Grunfeld is surrounded by Rico's :)
I think it's a lie that they were unanimous....one would hope right?


I have to agree. The entire scouting staff can't be as clueless as EG.

It's been suggested that management has cultivated an atmosphere that promotes groupthink and rewards yes men. A lot of opinions probably aren't aired, they just wait to see which way the winds blowing and drop in behind.

The organization won't get better until they get rid of all the management knuckleheads, bring in some forward thinking veterans, and start to change the culture.
They need to clean house. The entire front office, coaching staff, scouting staff, and medical staff needs to go.

Bring in a bright, hungry young GM and have him put everything together.
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Post#139 Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust
Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:42 pm by Knighthonor

This guy vesely does better with Wall tossing down to him.

But no wall, and he looking bad.

I believe they should give him more playing time. This is a losing season. Nothing wrong with playing him more, to get him more comfortable playing in hardcore competition.

I believe he is breaking down because of the pressure and competition.

Give him more mins to play.
Send him to the Dleague where he can start and get max mins needed to work on his game.

Dont waste his time on the bench. develop the guy until Wall get back, and work on his weaknesses when Wall not tossing him the alleyoops.
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Post#140 Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust
Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:10 pm by nate33

Vesely vs Miami: 2 points, 2 rebounds, 2 fouls, 1 turnover.

He continues to total more fouls than points or rebounds. What's sad is that it felt like one of Vesely's better outings. :nonono:
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