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Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

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Is Jan Vesely a Bust?

Yes, I've seen enough, Jan Vesely is a Bust for a 6th pick
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No, let's wait to see how he plays with JW and Nene
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#281 » by montestewart » Fri Feb 8, 2013 8:04 pm

nate33 wrote:Big game tonight!

A win tonight against Brooklyn would give the Wizards a win percentage higher than Vesely's free throw percentage.

Maybe he'll make it to the line tonight, and his destiny will be in his own hands.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#282 » by fishercob » Fri Feb 8, 2013 9:00 pm

Here's the thing that bugs me that I don't get. I know highlight vids are just that -- I get that piece. But between the highlights and the Partizan game vids we watched after the draft he just looks like a different human being than he is now.

The body language is completely different. He didn't just dunk a lot -- he actively tried to dunk ON guys (while trying to tea bag them for good emasculating measure). He gestured to the crowd, he hooted, he walked with his shoulders back and a little swagger.

Now he just looks......broken, like he's undergone some personal tragedy. His shoulders are slumped, he's got perpetual deer in the headlights face.

I'm not making excuses for the guy or saying he's a good player -- but his numbers in Europe suggested he'd be better than he is (there's a couple post-draft blog posts out there saying as much).

It reminds me of the Tale of Skita (picked 5th overall), that Nivek has told a couple times. The Nuggets went trial by fire with him -- as opposed to bringing him along slowly -- and he just wilted.

Jan had a lot of stuff working against him -- no training camp, compressed season with no practice time, a terrible team with a bad culture among them. It made a bad/reach pick that much worse.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#283 » by tontoz » Fri Feb 8, 2013 9:30 pm

In Europe he couldn't shoot or rebound. Same story here. Dumb pick as everyone here could see.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#284 » by nuposse04 » Fri Feb 8, 2013 10:20 pm

He actually made a 3 point shot in one of his highlight vids, I was very startled at that. Sometimes I still have the crazy notion in the back of mind that he'll develop a shooting form one day and we'll finally get the stretch 4 that we've been coveting. Then I snap back to reality.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#285 » by Knighthonor » Sat Feb 9, 2013 4:23 am

nuposse04 wrote:He actually made a 3 point shot in one of his highlight vids, I was very startled at that. Sometimes I still have the crazy notion in the back of mind that he'll develop a shooting form one day and we'll finally get the stretch 4 that we've been coveting. Then I snap back to reality.

Unless Van is the ultimate Tanker and is purely acting badly on purpose in a secret deal with EG, so they can get a super team made from draft picks, and ves drop the act and go SSJ3 on the fans.

man that would be clever. 007 lever of cleverness.

Its a conspiracy I tell you.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#286 » by closg00 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:27 pm

Guys on a message board could do a better job managing the Wizards than Ernie Grunfeld.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#287 » by nate33 » Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:12 pm

I missed All Star Weekend Rookie/Sophomore game. Could you link me to the Jan Vesely highlights, please?
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#288 » by nate33 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:12 pm

rl25g wrote:Nate,
Ves messes up your stats tonight with 10 pts, 7bds and only 2 fouls

Season totals went from

58 pts, 56 bds, 58 fouls
to
68pts, 63 bds, 60 fouls

:rockon:

I'm expecting big progress on this front. Vesely is currently totaling 88 points, 82 rebounds and 81 fouls. He really has slacked off on the fouls lately, it's discouraging. Fortunately, EG has shrewdly added Jason Collins to the fold. Collins is the all time Master at fouling. This season he is totaling 37 points, 52 rebounds, and 74 fouls! With Collins as a veteran mentor, Vesely is sure to get back on track.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#289 » by Deivy202 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:50 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ6Tz5BcG94


wheres all that,


why not just start vesley and give him more playing time his issue is he is nervous if he acts like hes the man he probably would be better.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#290 » by Deivy202 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:52 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob30Ch2lV-A

LOL this guy sucks so bad his highlights are for 50 seconds for just two points . I know i would never make it in th NBA but im sure ill avg more than 4 ppg idc .
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#291 » by J-Ves » Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:54 am

Whit needs to get Seraphin out of the rotation and give Vesely the limited minutes (7-10) at backup center. I know Vesely is a BUST but I've had enough of Seraphins turnovers and overall selfish play. Plus I want to see some Wall to Vesely alley-oops.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#292 » by Knighthonor » Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:39 am

J-Ves wrote:Whit needs to get Seraphin out of the rotation and give Vesely the limited minutes (7-10) at backup center. I know Vesely is a BUST but I've had enough of Seraphins turnovers and overall selfish play. Plus I want to see some Wall to Vesely alley-oops.

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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#293 » by hands11 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:09 am

nate33 wrote:
rl25g wrote:Nate,
Ves messes up your stats tonight with 10 pts, 7bds and only 2 fouls

Season totals went from

58 pts, 56 bds, 58 fouls
to
68pts, 63 bds, 60 fouls

:rockon:

I'm expecting big progress on this front. Vesely is currently totaling 88 points, 82 rebounds and 81 fouls. He really has slacked off on the fouls lately, it's discouraging. Fortunately, EG has shrewdly added Jason Collins to the fold. Collins is the all time Master at fouling. This season he is totaling 37 points, 52 rebounds, and 74 fouls! With Collins as a veteran mentor, Vesely is sure to get back on track.


How awesome it that. Gives you something you something to look forward to not doubt. Do you have project numbers of the Collins effect on Ves.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#294 » by PZiv » Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:55 pm

Anyway he should've been dealt to Celtics if EG wanted to justify trade as Salary cutting one.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#295 » by closg00 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:53 pm

PZiv wrote:Anyway he should've been dealt to Celtics if EG wanted to justify trade as Salary cutting one.


True, but that would be admitting to the colossal failure of the 2011 draft, instead what will happen is that they will quietly let Ves go back to Europe after not picking-up his option. Ves has zero value in trade unless it's help another team unload their trash.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#296 » by nate33 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:51 pm

A tweet for Vesely during the All Star Break:
"Working out to be an All-Star"

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My first thought was, if he want's to be an All-Star, why is he doing squats in a freaking Smith machine? Is he a girl? What the hell are the Wizards trainers teaching him? You do squats with free weights to force you to strengthen your core, back, and stabilizing muscles.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#297 » by AFM » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:52 pm

He's also bench pressing in the smith machine.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#298 » by GhostsOfGil » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:59 pm

AFM wrote:He's also bench pressing in the smith machine.


That's ridiculous. As a professional athlete, 1, you should be using free weights to train your stabilizers.
And 2, a smith machine is counter balanced so he's basically leg pressing 180 lbs. Comon JAN your a professional ATHLETE.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#299 » by Jay81 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:04 pm

we are getting nothing from a lottery pick that we got as a result of a horrible season. THat is tragic and unforgivable. How does Ernie still have a job??
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#300 » by closg00 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:26 pm

Jay81 wrote:we are getting nothing from a lottery pick that we got as a result of a horrible season. THat is tragic and unforgivable. How does Ernie still have a job??


Not just the lottery pick, but entirely blown drafts featuring the repeated dumping of 2nd rounders. How Ted could have ANY confidence in a scouting team ( headed by Grunfeld) that was unanimous in drafting Jan Vesely 6th. Be very afraid if we pick outside of the top-5 picks this year.
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