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Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

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Is Jan Vesely a Bust?

Yes, I've seen enough, Jan Vesely is a Bust for a 6th pick
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No, let's wait to see how he plays with JW and Nene
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#301 » by nate33 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:40 pm

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Jay81 wrote:we are getting nothing from a lottery pick that we got as a result of a horrible season. THat is tragic and unforgivable. How does Ernie still have a job??


Not just the lottery pick, but entirely blown drafts featuring the repeated dumping of 2nd rounders. How Ted could have ANY confidence in a scouting team ( headed by Grunfeld) that was unanimous in drafting Jan Vesely 6th. Be very afraid if we pick outside of the top-5 picks this year.

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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#302 » by Ruzious » Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:50 pm

AFM wrote:He's also bench pressing in the smith machine.

Not to mention the amount of weight he's lifting in each picture is what I'd expect from a kid trying out for his high school team.

...high school chess team, that is.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#303 » by nate33 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:11 pm

He's got 225 pounds of weight on there. Squatting 225 with free weights all the way down beyond parallel would be pretty decent given his long limbs. But if he's really only doing half squats of merely 195 pounds (after factoring the Smith machine counterweight), then that's horrible.

The bench is horrible. It looks like just 135 pounds minus the Smith machine counterweight, so about 105 pounds.
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Post#304 » by GhostsOfGil » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:27 pm

nate33 wrote:He's got 225 pounds of weight on there. Squatting 225 with free weights all the way down beyond parallel would be pretty decent given his long limbs. But if he's really only doing half squats of merely 195 pounds (after factoring the Smith machine counterweight), then that's horrible.

The bench is horrible. It looks like just 135 pounds minus the Smith machine counterweight, so about 105 pounds.


Smith machines do nothing to hit your stabilizers and force your muscles to lift in an unnatural movement. It does nothing for strength training and is unsafe with heavier weight. I don't get it. This is an NBA franchise. Are there really no trainers telling him this?
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#305 » by Halcyon » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:36 pm

Bench doesn't worry me that much (even though it's pretty light weight regardless) but the squats are pretty weaksauce. In a game where leg strength and core strength is key, he can only do 225? And both on the Smith?? I hope he actually does freeweight workouts and just didn't take of pic of it.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#306 » by nate33 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:53 pm

Halcyon wrote:Bench doesn't worry me that much (even though it's pretty light weight regardless) but the squats are pretty weaksauce. In a game where leg strength and core strength is key, he can only do 225? And both on the Smith?? I hope he actually does freeweight workouts and just didn't take of pic of it.

Yeah. I'm hoping he was out of town or something and lifting at the local gym during the break, and that he normally uses free weights at the Wizards' facility. But I maintain that 225 (done properly with free weights dipping down beyond parallel) isn't awful for a lanky 7-footer who is just 22 years old. He's probably also doing high rep counts with more explosive motions.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#307 » by AFM » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:25 pm

Honestly, he can squat more than that, I'm sure of it. It's definitely not his 1RM max. He's taking a photo.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#308 » by hands11 » Tue Mar 5, 2013 7:14 am

So there was a Ves sighting. Does that mean Spring is coming early this year ?

So what the fouls to pts tally now.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#309 » by dangermouse » Tue Mar 5, 2013 7:59 am

nate33 wrote:He's got 225 pounds of weight on there. Squatting 225 with free weights all the way down beyond parallel would be pretty decent given his long limbs. But if he's really only doing half squats of merely 195 pounds (after factoring the Smith machine counterweight), then that's horrible.

The bench is horrible. It looks like just 135 pounds minus the Smith machine counterweight, so about 105 pounds.


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I can bench that. For a few reps anyway.

And i'm a twig who only just started lifting about 6 months ago.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#310 » by pcbothwel » Tue Mar 5, 2013 3:29 pm

http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/news/a ... l&c_id=bal

As an Orioles fan and meat head, this is exciting and makes you feel like your fanhood is worthy...As a Wiz fan this is depressing after seeing the pics JV working out on a Smith machine...

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Post#311 » by cwb3 » Tue Mar 5, 2013 4:04 pm

Smith machines are for wimps.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#312 » by Ruzious » Tue Mar 5, 2013 5:04 pm

pcbothwel wrote:http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130304&content_id=42249936&vkey=news_bal&c_id=bal

As an Orioles fan and meat head, this is exciting and makes you feel like your fanhood is worthy...As a Wiz fan this is depressing after seeing the pics JV working out on a Smith machine...

Real organizations with real leadership always show through.

For years, the O's were a horribly managed organization, but it seems like they are/have turning things around. It's great to see Brady Anderson having a positive impact. I saw Brian Roberts the other day. The change in his body from last year looks amazing - especially considering he's 35 years old. I suspect that's partially due to Brady's impact.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#313 » by pcbothwel » Tue Mar 5, 2013 6:35 pm

Agree Ruz,
The two things that frustrate me is the lack of accountability and knowledge of how true development is achieved.

The second thing is I see a guy like Vesely and I think to myself...with this guy's lack of playing time this year and the upcoming off-season, what could he have become physically in 10-12 months of nutritional monitoring (I.E correct macro breakdown and eating slightly above maintenance to gain solid weight), and aggressive power lifting routine coupled with some Olympic lifts could of made him big and strong enough to hold his own in the paint while he slowly (and hopefully surely) improved on his skills development to be competent offensively...

It's just frustrating..The only bright spot is that we have some young pieces along with an owner, who for all his faults, will stay out of the way of his president/GM so he can makeover the organization...the problem with that philosophy is if your president/GM (EG in our case) is incompetent.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#314 » by closg00 » Tue Mar 5, 2013 7:03 pm

The Wizards idea of player development? Sit a player for 10 or 11 games (while not sending them to the NBDL), then throw said player into a real game for 16 minutes.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#315 » by Zonkerbl » Tue Mar 5, 2013 9:23 pm

I used to use the Smith machine because my back was messed up and I wanted to explicitly avoid putting stress on my "stabilizing muscles."

Can't do squats at all anymore. I think I've crushed a crucial ligament in my tailbone to powder.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#316 » by tontoz » Wed Mar 6, 2013 12:12 am

^^ Yuk. I hurt my back doing squats in HS and shied away from them after that.

When I was Ves' age i could bench 225 roughly 10-12 times. Now i can't do bench at all due to a bad rotator cuff.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#317 » by GhostsOfGil » Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:58 pm

According to Mike Lee, Jan now has the 6th worst PER in the NBA. Ironic since his PER is 6 and he was the 6th pick last year.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#318 » by keynote » Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:18 pm

GhostsOfGil wrote:According to Mike Lee, Jan now has the 6th worst PER in the NBA. Ironic since his PER is 6 and he was the 6th pick last year.


Oof. That's the mark of the least.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust 

Post#319 » by nate33 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:31 pm

The Wizards' Win%: .328
Vesely's FT%: .273

Which is more disappointing?
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Post#320 » by tontoz » Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:34 pm

GhostsOfGil wrote:According to Mike Lee, Jan now has the 6th worst PER in the NBA. Ironic since his PER is 6 and he was the 6th pick last year.


He isn't the worst on the team though. :lol:
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