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Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

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Is Jan Vesely a Bust?

Yes, I've seen enough, Jan Vesely is a Bust for a 6th pick
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No, let's wait to see how he plays with JW and Nene
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

Postby popper on Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:02 pm

closg00 wrote:The air-balled FT's and hot potato basketball passing are related obviously. In a re-draft Jan might be a mid 2nd rounder. After workouts, perhaps not drafted at all.

The Wiz staff were supposedly unanimous about picking Jan according to Mike Lee, but now I think that quote was another clever leak by Grunfeld himself. If the staff were truly unanimous, then Grunfeld is surrounded by Rico's :)
I think it's a lie that they were unanimous....one would hope right?


I have to agree. The entire scouting staff can't be as clueless as EG.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

Postby montestewart on Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:44 pm

popper wrote:
closg00 wrote:The air-balled FT's and hot potato basketball passing are related obviously. In a re-draft Jan might be a mid 2nd rounder. After workouts, perhaps not drafted at all.

The Wiz staff were supposedly unanimous about picking Jan according to Mike Lee, but now I think that quote was another clever leak by Grunfeld himself. If the staff were truly unanimous, then Grunfeld is surrounded by Rico's :)
I think it's a lie that they were unanimous....one would hope right?


I have to agree. The entire scouting staff can't be as clueless as EG.

It's been suggested that management has cultivated an atmosphere that promotes groupthink and rewards yes men. A lot of opinions probably aren't aired, they just wait to see which way the winds blowing and drop in behind.

The organization won't get better until they get rid of all the management knuckleheads, bring in some forward thinking veterans, and start to change the culture.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

Postby Mizerooskie on Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:30 pm

montestewart wrote:
popper wrote:
closg00 wrote:The air-balled FT's and hot potato basketball passing are related obviously. In a re-draft Jan might be a mid 2nd rounder. After workouts, perhaps not drafted at all.

The Wiz staff were supposedly unanimous about picking Jan according to Mike Lee, but now I think that quote was another clever leak by Grunfeld himself. If the staff were truly unanimous, then Grunfeld is surrounded by Rico's :)
I think it's a lie that they were unanimous....one would hope right?


I have to agree. The entire scouting staff can't be as clueless as EG.

It's been suggested that management has cultivated an atmosphere that promotes groupthink and rewards yes men. A lot of opinions probably aren't aired, they just wait to see which way the winds blowing and drop in behind.

The organization won't get better until they get rid of all the management knuckleheads, bring in some forward thinking veterans, and start to change the culture.
They need to clean house. The entire front office, coaching staff, scouting staff, and medical staff needs to go.

Bring in a bright, hungry young GM and have him put everything together.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

Postby Knighthonor on Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:42 pm

This guy vesely does better with Wall tossing down to him.

But no wall, and he looking bad.

I believe they should give him more playing time. This is a losing season. Nothing wrong with playing him more, to get him more comfortable playing in hardcore competition.

I believe he is breaking down because of the pressure and competition.

Give him more mins to play.
Send him to the Dleague where he can start and get max mins needed to work on his game.

Dont waste his time on the bench. develop the guy until Wall get back, and work on his weaknesses when Wall not tossing him the alleyoops.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

Postby nate33 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:10 pm

Vesely vs Miami: 2 points, 2 rebounds, 2 fouls, 1 turnover.

He continues to total more fouls than points or rebounds. What's sad is that it felt like one of Vesely's better outings. :nonono:
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

Postby Mickstix on Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:25 pm

Not that anyone would claim him or anything, but are there any waivers he'd have to clear, if sent to the D league? That's really where he belongs..
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

Postby Upper Decker on Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:43 am

Did the Wiz pick up his option for next year? Wiz could save some serious coin by cutting him loose if they didn't pick up his option. If they did pick up the option maybe we could swing a deal with chicago. Vesely for the draft right to veeremenko?
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

Postby sashae on Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:00 am

(he a bust, he a bust)
Nivek wrote:Not only did Ted NOT fire Grunfeld for this sequence of decisions, he BRAGGED about how clever the trade was in his blog. While the team was in the process of making the worst choices they could make, Ted thought they were being smart.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

Postby FinnTheHuman on Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:55 pm

Vesely is a good role player and nothing more, he can't be good on a team which has no system.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

Postby Upper Decker on Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:15 pm

FinnTheHuman wrote:Vesely is a good role player and nothing more, he can't be good on a team which has no system.

Vesely is a very bad role player and much much more.

1) A high lotto bust
2) Terrible shooter
3) Terrible dribbler
4) Terrible post defender
5) Worst FT shooter EVER

There is no system because the high lotto selections are complete busts and unable of playing within a system.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

Postby Nivek on Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:49 pm

It is such delusion to say Vesely is a good role player or that he will be "better" when Wall returns. He MIGHT get a bit more productive, but it won't be because he's "better" -- it'll be because Wall may be better able to prop him up. Vesely will still be the unskilled player he's been until he puts in the work to develop actual basketball skills.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

Postby Knighthonor on Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:26 pm

Upper Decker wrote:
FinnTheHuman wrote:Vesely is a good role player and nothing more, he can't be good on a team which has no system.

Vesely is a very bad role player and much much more.

1) A high lotto bust
2) Terrible shooter
3) Terrible dribbler
4) Terrible post defender
5) Worst FT shooter EVER

There is no system because the high lotto selections are complete busts and unable of playing within a system.

telling you, this guy will become better with Wall on the floor playing.

He came into the league at a bad time, and a culture change as well. He lacks confidence in his game. I know that sign since thats how I play.

Over the first season, he learned that Wall has his back and developed on that as his confidence boost. Well here comes this season, and he not doing well and wall happens to not play.

Also keep in mind, limited play time to develop. the season been rough on the last two rookies (Beal and Jan)

Wizards lack in the development department.

Jan, need to be sent to the Dleague for the time being, so he get more play time, and time to build his self confidence in his game. Thats how you develop JAN. But oh well, nobody here listening anyway it seem.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

Postby tontoz on Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:30 pm

Wall won't be able to help Vesely hit the rim on a foul shot or jumper.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

Postby Knighthonor on Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:17 pm

tontoz wrote:Wall won't be able to help Vesely hit the rim on a foul shot or jumper.

Jan lacks confidence right now, which I believe is due to his own personal NBA comfort building block (Wall, the lotto pick before him) is out the for the season, and he forced to play without his building block of comfort.

notice how he playing worst than summer league.

something emotional is the underlining issue with Jan.

You all not helping him, by being so negative.
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Re: Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

Postby BigA on Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:35 pm

Knighthonor wrote:Jan lacks confidence right now, which I believe is due to his own personal NBA comfort building block (Wall, the lotto pick before him) is out the for the season, and he forced to play without his building block of comfort.

notice how he playing worst than summer league.

something emotional is the underlining issue with Jan.

You all not helping him, by being so negative.


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