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Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - 02/06/13)

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Post#1 Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - 02/06/1
Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:01 am by nate33

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Post#2 Re: Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - pre
Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:17 am by miller31time

Washington outgoing: Ted Leonsis and Ernie Grunfeld
Washington incoming: A gas station vending machine sandwich and half-empty bottle of Mr. Pibb
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Post#3 Re: Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - pre
Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:33 am by Ed Wood

So while we're sort of on the topic of guys who looked really good from a statistical perspective last year and may be eliciting some buyer's remorse this year is there any chance, would you think, that Milwaukee might be tempted to punch the ejector seat on Ersan Ilyasova? Both Larry Sanders and John Henson have done well so far this year and were he not signed for another year I could see Okafor appealing as a physical alternative (which would require some additional salary to balance the trade) or Ariza because he's cheaper and maybe Scott Skiles would be into Trevor Ariza.

I don't think the Bucks could be tempted, and I'm sure there will be some sentiment that this is doubling down on poor investments on our part but Ilyasova seems to me to be a penny stock at the moment and a good fit for the team.
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Post#4 Re: Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - pre
Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:57 am by LyricalRico

^ Ilyasova+Gooden+pick for Nene? Gives us a young stretch four, and shave a bit off of the last year of Nene's deal. We also may be able to buy out Gooden.

And then follow up with this:

Wizards trade: Ariza
Wizards receive: Ridnour and Steimsma

Wolves trade: Williams, Barea, Ridnour, and Steimsma
Wolves receive: Gasol

Lakers trade: Gasol
Lakers receive: Williams, Barea, and Ariza

Final roster when everyone is healthy:

Seraphin/Okafor
Ilyasova/Booker
Webster/Singleton
Beal/Crawford
Wall/Ridnour

Like I said, we try to buy out Gooden and then shop Okafor's expiring over the summer. Add in a dynamic wing in the draft and the rebuild might be back on track.
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Post#5 Re: Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - pre
Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:19 pm by Severn Hoos

Ed, I've been looking at the Bux Box Scores as just about the only other team I check other than the Wiz. (OK, confession - I do look at the Kings' box scores too, to see how T-Rex - I mean T-Rob - is doing. FWIW, in his last 20 FG attempts, his percentage is lower than the Wizards' winning % on the season. A week or so back, the Wiretap had a story about how the Kings were concerned about him "finishing at the rim". Ya don't say... Great kid, love the backstory, but if anyone thinks Beal was a missed opportunity, consider what might have been. But I digress...)

So yeah, checking Ersan, with conflicting emotions. Want to see him do well, because I was definitely a cheerleader for him last year, wanted the Wiz to free cap space to sign him - even preferred him to Ryan Anderson, because they had similar impact, but Ersan did it without having Superman next to him (and Anderson's production did take a hit after Howard went out). And you know, I do like to be right every once in a while. But then I also think about the possibility that if he is struggling the Bux just might indeed want a do-over. Of course, it sounds like exactly the type of thinking that landed us Nene - and while he's been great when he's on the floor, the injuries sure are concerning.

Somewhere in that rambling mess, the point is that I still believe in EI, and would definitely trade for him. I think Lyricals' got a good approach in that Milwaukee clearly wants to deal Gooden. And he was so horrified at the thought of playing for the Wiz the last time, maybe he'd agree to a buyout if we did trade for him.

I would probably prefer to hold on to Nene, as those two might make an intriguing pair - and a very intriguing rotation with Seraphin. Okafor for Ilyasova + Gooden (and we can throw in some value to even out) would be a great deal, IMO. I understand that it eliminates any flexibility for the foreseeable future, but I don't see how there's much hope on that front anyway.

Guards: Wall/Beal/Crawford
Forwards/Swingmen: Webster/Singleton/Booker?
Bigs: Nene/Ilyasova/Seraphin

Add in a top 5 pick from the upcoming draft (hopefully a swingman), and you have a decent team. May not be a contender yet, but a far sight better than what we're dealing with now.
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Post#6 Re: Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - pre
Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:45 pm by nate33

I'd do that Ariza for Ridnoir trade right now.
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Post#7 Re: Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - pre
Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:57 pm by raferfenix

Hey Wizards fans, interesting discussion about Bucks trade scenarios!

A few notes on Ersan -- his new contract means he can't be traded until mid-January, and his cataclsymically bad play at the start of the year has thankfully been improving (ht drugbust on Bucks board):
First 7 games:
23.9 mpg
.335 TS%
75 ORTG
104 DRTG

Last 12 games:
22.9 MPG
.540 TS%
118 ORTG
105 DRTG


Curious what you could tell me about some of your guys? Our roster is in desperate need of consolidating similar players into something else. At the 4/5 we currently have Ersan, Udoh, Henson, Gooden / Sanders, Dalembert, Pryzbilla. Not to mention Moute, who has played some of his best ball as our starting PF in years past.

From your end, I could see us being interested or willing to take on guys like Nene / Okafor / Ariza to varying extents, especially if you were willing to take on Gooden's contract.
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Post#8 Re: Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - pre
Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:36 pm by MikeTheKid


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Kings are very open to moving some of their nice young pieces. Willing trade partner with assets.



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Post#9 Re: Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - pre
Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:50 pm by TGW

Pass x 10 on getting Cousins. Bad attitude, inefficient, and a terrible defender. What does the supposed "potential" matter if he'll never reach it? This is the Wizards people...there is no reason why to think Cousins would all of sudden become good in a Wizards uniform.
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Post#10 Re: Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - pre
Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:55 pm by MikeTheKid

TGW wrote:Pass x 10 on getting Cousins. Bad attitude, inefficient, and a terrible defender. What does the supposed "potential" matter if he'll never reach it? This is the Wizards people...there is no reason why to think Cousins would all of sudden become good in a Wizards uniform.


He and Wall were best friends, if anyone can try and calm him down its Wall and he and Coach Cal did it at UK
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Post#11 Re: Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - pre
Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:59 pm by TGW

MikeTheKid wrote:
TGW wrote:Pass x 10 on getting Cousins. Bad attitude, inefficient, and a terrible defender. What does the supposed "potential" matter if he'll never reach it? This is the Wizards people...there is no reason why to think Cousins would all of sudden become good in a Wizards uniform.


He and Wall were best friends, if anyone can try and calm him down its Wall


I feel sorry for Wall—people literally think he's the calvary that can same this terrible franchise.

Wall can't calm that guy down. Cousins has been doing this nonsense since college.

If the Wiz want to trade for a player that may be available, it should be Kevin Love. That guy is a baller. He's not playing well this year, due to an injury, but I have much more faith in Love regaining form than Cousins actually becoming a good basketball player or a person in general.
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Post#12 Re: Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - pre
Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:00 pm by AFM

Because our team sucks.



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Post#13 Re: Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - pre
Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:42 pm by nate33

TGW wrote:Pass x 10 on getting Cousins. Bad attitude, inefficient, and a terrible defender. What does the supposed "potential" matter if he'll never reach it? This is the Wizards people...there is no reason why to think Cousins would all of sudden become good in a Wizards uniform.

The premise behind trading for Cousins is that the asking price would presumably be reasonable, yet his upside is high. Nobody is saying that the trade is without risk, but it's the type of home run swing that a team in our position should consider.

Obviously, we would all prefer Kevin Love, but we don't have the assets to acquire him.
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Post#14 Re: Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - pre
Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:44 pm by miller31time

What are we to assume the asking price for Cousins would be?

I'm assuming our 2013 1st rounder would have to be included?
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Post#15 Re: Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - pre
Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:44 am by Wizardspride

miller31time wrote:What are we to assume the asking price for Cousins would be?

I'm assuming our 2013 1st rounder would have to be included?

Absolutely....considering Cousins was the 5th overall pick himself.
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Post#16 Re: Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - pre
Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:48 am by GhostsOfGil

Do you think the Kings would bite if the pick was top 3 protected? Maybe Ves/Singleton and the 13 pick, top 3 protected.
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Post#17 Re: Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - pre
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:12 am by LyricalRico

^ Maybe get them to agree to the protection in return for us taking Salmons? Okafor and a protected first for Cousins+Salmons? I'm still not sold on Cousins, but it's still interesting.
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Post#18 Re: Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - pre
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:50 am by GhostsOfGil

Ouch, Salmons contract is awful.
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Post#19 Re: Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - pre
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:56 am by LyricalRico

^ Well, it's only an extra year and it may not be fully guaranteed (haven't double checked though). Depending on the level of protection, it might still be worth it.
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Post#20 Re: Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - pre
Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:49 pm by wasfan

TGW wrote:
MikeTheKid wrote:
TGW wrote:Pass x 10 on getting Cousins. Bad attitude, inefficient, and a terrible defender. What does the supposed "potential" matter if he'll never reach it? This is the Wizards people...there is no reason why to think Cousins would all of sudden become good in a Wizards uniform.


He and Wall were best friends, if anyone can try and calm him down its Wall


I feel sorry for Wall—people literally think he's the calvary that can same this terrible franchise.

Wall can't calm that guy down. Cousins has been doing this nonsense since college.

If the Wiz want to trade for a player that may be available, it should be Kevin Love. That guy is a baller. He's not playing well this year, due to an injury, but I have much more faith in Love regaining form than Cousins actually becoming a good basketball player or a person in general.


i don't think kevin love is on the trading block... if he is, i bet he's pushing to get traded to lakers for gasol... he did play college ball at ucla... gasol is more than anything the wizards can offer even at this point...

i do agree with you that there is no way wall can calm down cousins.... wall has not shown any degree of leadership or maturity himself... i think the only way cousins become better as a player is if he gets traded to a lakers/spurs/miami/okc where he knows he's not the top dog and he has to behave... just look at andrew bynum... as much as he was 'hurt' a lot... he couldn't pull the bs he is pulling now with the 76ers when he played with kobe... now he's just this decade's version of eddie curry...
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