Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - 02/06/13)
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Could you draft them and then send them to the D-League for one year. That bypasses the current CBA.
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I actually like Shabazz more than Parker
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract
Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
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noworriesinmd wrote:Could you draft them and then send them to the D-League for one year. That bypasses the current CBA.
No. They are not eligible for the draft straight out of high school.
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I see Bynum is saying his knees feel better, but if he is done for the year, will teams want to trade for him to get his Bird rights? I'm wondering if - in case Bynum is done - Philly would be interested in a Bynum for Okafor swap. My guess is they could get more, but Okafor might be a good fit. The idea would not be for the Wizards to resign Bynum, but just to shed the second year of Okafor's contract.
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JAR69 wrote:I see Bynum is saying his knees feel better, but if he is done for the year, will teams want to trade for him to get his Bird rights? I'm wondering if - in case Bynum is done - Philly would be interested in a Bynum for Okafor swap. My guess is they could get more, but Okafor might be a good fit. The idea would not be for the Wizards to resign Bynum, but just to shed the second year of Okafor's contract.
Interesting. This only works if Bynum is done and Philly doesn't want him. I doubt that happens. Philly invested too much in Bynum to give up on him so early. The Wizards would obviously do it in a heartbeat. They dump Okafor and they take a flyer on the possibility that Bynum gets healthy.
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nate33 wrote:JAR69 wrote:I see Bynum is saying his knees feel better, but if he is done for the year, will teams want to trade for him to get his Bird rights? I'm wondering if - in case Bynum is done - Philly would be interested in a Bynum for Okafor swap. My guess is they could get more, but Okafor might be a good fit. The idea would not be for the Wizards to resign Bynum, but just to shed the second year of Okafor's contract.
Interesting. This only works if Bynum is done and Philly doesn't want him. I doubt that happens. Philly invested too much in Bynum to give up on him so early. The Wizards would obviously do it in a heartbeat. They dump Okafor and they take a flyer on the possibility that Bynum gets healthy.
Yeah, I agree. Just looking for a way out of Okariza. Other than Amare, I think Okafor may have the least tradeable contract in the league, at least until he becomes an expiring next year. Sigh.
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JAR69 wrote:nate33 wrote:JAR69 wrote:I see Bynum is saying his knees feel better, but if he is done for the year, will teams want to trade for him to get his Bird rights? I'm wondering if - in case Bynum is done - Philly would be interested in a Bynum for Okafor swap. My guess is they could get more, but Okafor might be a good fit. The idea would not be for the Wizards to resign Bynum, but just to shed the second year of Okafor's contract.
Interesting. This only works if Bynum is done and Philly doesn't want him. I doubt that happens. Philly invested too much in Bynum to give up on him so early. The Wizards would obviously do it in a heartbeat. They dump Okafor and they take a flyer on the possibility that Bynum gets healthy.
Yeah, I agree. Just looking for a way out of Okariza. Other than Amare, I think Okafor may have the least tradeable contract in the league, at least until he becomes an expiring next year. Sigh.
Nah. I don't think Okafor's contract is worst-in-the-league bad. He's still second only to Nene in PER and he plays good defense. Other teams can see that he is struggling as a primary offensive threat, but if he could join a ball club where he could be a role player, he'd still be fairly effective.
If a contender loses an important big man to injury, I could see an Okafor being swapped for an expiring contract - or maybe for a smaller 2-year contract plus an expiring contract. EG isn't the only GM in the league who is a sucker for an "established veteran" big man.
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i remember a couple of weeks ago a Detroit fan asked about a Maggette for Okafor swap ? Not really sure why Detroit would want to do that since they already have Jerebko, Maxiel, Drummond and Monroe. Maybe they are anticipating trading Maxiel's expiring to a contender for a 1st round pick.
At any rate, I came up with a trade that builds off the Magette and Okafor swap and brings D. Williams to DC
Washington trades: Okafor, Vesely, Crawford, Webster
Washington Receives: Williams, Barea, Roy, Daye
Minnesota trades: Williams, Barea, Roy
Minnesota Receives: Magette, Vesely, Webster
Detroit trades: Magette, Daye
Detroit receives: Okafor, Crawford
Washington trades away Okafor's contract and are able to get Williams. They trade Vesely away to a team that better suits him, while adding fillers for depth. We take back Barea's extra 2 years rather than Ridnour.
Wall/Barea
Beal/Martin
Singleton/Ariza
Williams/Booker
Nene/Seraphin
Minnesota trades Williams, their long contract in Barea, and Roy's hopeful expiring for a large expiring contract that could help this offseason, Vesely, who might be able to fit into their style of play, and wing depth in Webster, who played there last year.
Rubio/Ridnour
Shevd/Webster/Lee
Kirilenko/Howard
Love/Vesely
Pecovic/Steisma
Detroit adds Okafor for bigman depth (assuming Maxiel is traded for a late 1st). Okafor also brings the UCONN connection to Drummond. Crawford adds to their SG depth. Daye is thrown in as a filler.
Knight/Stuckey/Bynum
Crawford/Stuckey/English
Prince/Singler
Monroe/Jerebko/Charlie V
Okafor/Drummond
At any rate, I came up with a trade that builds off the Magette and Okafor swap and brings D. Williams to DC
Washington trades: Okafor, Vesely, Crawford, Webster
Washington Receives: Williams, Barea, Roy, Daye
Minnesota trades: Williams, Barea, Roy
Minnesota Receives: Magette, Vesely, Webster
Detroit trades: Magette, Daye
Detroit receives: Okafor, Crawford
Washington trades away Okafor's contract and are able to get Williams. They trade Vesely away to a team that better suits him, while adding fillers for depth. We take back Barea's extra 2 years rather than Ridnour.
Wall/Barea
Beal/Martin
Singleton/Ariza
Williams/Booker
Nene/Seraphin
Minnesota trades Williams, their long contract in Barea, and Roy's hopeful expiring for a large expiring contract that could help this offseason, Vesely, who might be able to fit into their style of play, and wing depth in Webster, who played there last year.
Rubio/Ridnour
Shevd/Webster/Lee
Kirilenko/Howard
Love/Vesely
Pecovic/Steisma
Detroit adds Okafor for bigman depth (assuming Maxiel is traded for a late 1st). Okafor also brings the UCONN connection to Drummond. Crawford adds to their SG depth. Daye is thrown in as a filler.
Knight/Stuckey/Bynum
Crawford/Stuckey/English
Prince/Singler
Monroe/Jerebko/Charlie V
Okafor/Drummond
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I would not be opposed to a Nene trade. It is a sure thing that the Wizards won't make the playoffs this year and Nene is aging with a big contract. I am not sure whether the Nene trade will be seen as a net positive if he stays for the duration of his lucrative contract.
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^^ Didn't DET trade for Maggette because his deal was expiring, and give up a pick to make it happen so they could dump Gordon's contract? I don't think they do that and then turn around and negate that cap savings by trading for Okafor.
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GW: Ersan Ilyasova, you know, during the summer was courted by a handful of teams, by the Bucks but most seriously by the Bucks, Nets and Raptors and I have it on very good authority that the Nets are still trying to pursue Ersan and trying to figure out a way in which to obtain him. I think that's something to keep an eye on as we got forward here.
SF: Ersan to Brooklyn!?
GW: Yep.
SF: Okay, so what exactly are the Nets going to want from Brooklyn? I know what I'd want! MarShon Brooks is where I'd start.
GW: Yeah. I'll tell you what. MarShon Brooks would love coming to Milwaukee.
http://www.netsdaily.com/2012/12/16/377 ... n-ilyasova
Add in the talk that Jennings might be moving on next summer and maybe MIL is looking to make a big move or two. Any way we can get in on that? I'll take a look at the Checker after lunch.
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nate33 wrote:
If a contender loses an important big man to injury, I could see an Okafor being swapped for an expiring contract - or maybe for a smaller 2-year contract plus an expiring contract. EG isn't the only GM in the league who is a sucker for an "established veteran" big man.
I hope you are right, but my guess is any deal is unlikely until the summer at earliest.
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JAR69 wrote:nate33 wrote:
If a contender loses an important big man to injury, I could see an Okafor being swapped for an expiring contract - or maybe for a smaller 2-year contract plus an expiring contract. EG isn't the only GM in the league who is a sucker for an "established veteran" big man.
I hope you are right, but my guess is any deal is unlikely until the summer at earliest.
There's no point in making a deal in the summer. By then, we would have to take back an equivalent contract so there would be no cap savings.
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May not be the best trade in the world, but how about Wilson Chandler for Jan Vesely and Carter Martin?
Vesely may do better on a team where nothing is expected from him immediately. Wilson Chandler is a bad fit in Denver, and may turn it around on the Wizards. He's only 25 so it's not like we're trading for an old player...he's still young and can improve.
Vesely may do better on a team where nothing is expected from him immediately. Wilson Chandler is a bad fit in Denver, and may turn it around on the Wizards. He's only 25 so it's not like we're trading for an old player...he's still young and can improve.
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^^ A follow-up to my post above...
Bucks trade: Ilyasova, Dalembert, and 2nd
Bucks receive: Nene and Brooks
Nets trade: Humphries, Brooks, and 1st
Nets receive: Ilyasova and Ariza
Wizards trade: Nene and Ariza
Wizards receive: Humphries, Dalembert, BKN 1st, and MIL 2nd
We essentially get an expiring for Ariza, and get picks plus a contract that ends in 2014 for Nene. If we're still in tank mode with the current squad, it probably makes sense to get Nene off the books sooner than later.
Bucks trade: Ilyasova, Dalembert, and 2nd
Bucks receive: Nene and Brooks
Nets trade: Humphries, Brooks, and 1st
Nets receive: Ilyasova and Ariza
Wizards trade: Nene and Ariza
Wizards receive: Humphries, Dalembert, BKN 1st, and MIL 2nd
We essentially get an expiring for Ariza, and get picks plus a contract that ends in 2014 for Nene. If we're still in tank mode with the current squad, it probably makes sense to get Nene off the books sooner than later.
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How has Dalembert been this year?
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract
Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
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dangermouse wrote:How has Dalembert been this year?
Quite a bit better than Okafor.
His numbers are pretty close to his career averages on a per-minute basis. His offensive efficency is pretty good, but his usage is low.
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hoschkabosch on December 15, 2012 at 8:10 PM said:
I think it is pretty clear Cartier Martin should be our starting SG and Martell Webster our starting SF when John Wall gets back. We should trade Bradley Beal and Nene to the Jazz for Enes Kanter and Al Jefferson so we can have a legitimate Center and an expiring contract to rid ourselves of Nene’s contract. Should trade with the 76ers for Arnett Moultrie. Wall, Martin, Webster, Moultrie, Kanter, with Singleton coming off the bench, that would be a legitimate team.
Who posted this on Ted's Take???
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MikeTheKid wrote:hoschkabosch on December 15, 2012 at 8:10 PM said:
I think it is pretty clear Cartier Martin should be our starting SG and Martell Webster our starting SF when John Wall gets back. We should trade Bradley Beal and Nene to the Jazz for Enes Kanter and Al Jefferson so we can have a legitimate Center and an expiring contract to rid ourselves of Nene’s contract. Should trade with the 76ers for Arnett Moultrie. Wall, Martin, Webster, Moultrie, Kanter, with Singleton coming off the bench, that would be a legitimate team.
Who posted this on Ted's Take???
hoschkabosch did
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