Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - 02/06/13)

[tontoz]

I might get bashed for this...but what about Al Harrington as a Stretch 4...I think he's recovering from a staph infection or something...

Ariza+Booker for Harrington (If healthy)

I mean his last two years are not guaranteed...so...maybe?

Harrington played the 4 a lot with the Hawks. He was the worst defender at the 4 i have ever seen.

[nuposse04]

That was back in like 05-06, maybe he learned some facets of proper defense since then? Or am I being too optimistic. A stretch 4 would do wonders for us, I'm trying to find somebody on a reasonable contract who could fulfill that role :/

[tontoz]

That was back in like 05-06, maybe he learned some facets of proper defense since then? Or am I being too optimistic. A stretch 4 would do wonders for us, I'm trying to find somebody on a reasonable contract who could fulfill that role :/

Derrick Williams. I don't see how Minny can justify keeping him since they will almost certainly keep Love. I am sure he can be had i just don't know what it would take.

Harrington had no hops even in his prime. He couldn't contest anyone's shot inside so he would literally just step aside and let them score near the basket.

[nuposse04]

That was back in like 05-06, maybe he learned some facets of proper defense since then? Or am I being too optimistic. A stretch 4 would do wonders for us, I'm trying to find somebody on a reasonable contract who could fulfill that role :/

Derrick Williams. I don't see how Minny can justify keeping him. I am sure he can be had i just don't know what it would take.

Williams would be ideal, and originally I didn't want to give Seraphin for him, but I'm thinking either a coaching change may get through to Seraphin better or just more accountability.

I'd do Seraphin+Crawford+Booker For Williams, but I think Minny is going to wait till the trade deadline.

[LyricalRico]

I'd do Seraphin+Crawford+Booker For Williams, but I think Minny is going to wait till the trade deadline.

Same here. Then make the much discussed Ariza+Vesely+pick (protected) for Rudy Gay and I think we'd be pretty balanced. Maybe bring back Barron for depth in the middle?

Okafor/Barron
Nene/Williams
Gay/Webster
Beal/Temple
Wall/Price

[Nivek]

I'd do that Williams trade, but I'd skip the Gay deal. Would rather pick someone up from the scrap heap temporarily than take on that third year at $19+ million.

[LyricalRico]

^ But where's the fun in that? We need trades, man!

[popper]

I've changed my mind on trading Okafor unless we get something really good in return. How are we going to compete in the future without an experienced, rim protecting, rebounding big man. Nene can't do it alone and Seraphon doesn't rebound. Shouldn't we wait until after the draft to see what big we can get to replace him? We should move two of Ariza, Singleton or Booker in the meantime.

[shrink]

That was back in like 05-06, maybe he learned some facets of proper defense since then? Or am I being too optimistic. A stretch 4 would do wonders for us, I'm trying to find somebody on a reasonable contract who could fulfill that role :/

Derrick Williams. I don't see how Minny can justify keeping him since they will almost certainly keep Love. I am sure he can be had i just don't know what it would take.

Just thought you guys would be interested:

Darren Wolfson - MIN ESPN 1500 ‏@DarrenWolfson
Told Derrick Williams is being shopped heavily.

It's interesting because generally lottery players aren't for sale, because bad teams aren't win-now in one season, and because teams have generally sunk marketing and fan interest into top lottery picks. Situations make MIN win-now, and fans of the youth focus on Rubio, which makes Williams available far earlier than most guys drafted in the lottery.

[gambitx777]

I dont think we should give our pick for love. he looks like he might develop injury issues. and no way i trade wall for those packages. we need to get more out of wall if we trade him. Some nice young players and a first round pick at the least.

[nuposse04]

I wouldn't give up much more than the original offer, Seraphin+JC+Booker. If you are in need of another defensive wingman, Ariza is available as well, admittingly, he isn't shooting well...but he's actually been doing everything else fairly well. He's actually been pretty good for us as far depth goes. We're definitely interested, but only for the right price.

[gambitx777]

what about this trade ?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bz82wue
3 way with mini and magic
Wiz gets : D will and Roy.
Magic gets : Barea or Ridnour and Crawford, Maybe a first round pick from mini.
Mini gets : Ariza and Redick and maybe the NYK second round pick from the wiz.

We buy out roy and take the cap room and Crawford and ariza won't be missed and we add Dwill.
Orlando gets guard help and another first round pick to use in their rebuild.
Mini gets a legit 2 guard and the vet Sf that they are looking for.

if orlando wants more we can always give them booker, singleton since they can both play the 3 and they are weak there just for filler and they we keep our second. Also mini has two first rounders this year so they would probably be ok moving it.

after this move we could move NENE work parts and picks, i agree i do not mind holding on to ariza for a while but if we can get cap room, young talent or picks out of him i say we do it.

[mhd]

Does it make sense NOT to trade Emeka for anything less than a 1st rounder this year? Tons of teams will have cap space this year and we are not an attractive destination yet. An expiring Emeka will be better than any big we could get on a comparable cheap deal. We could perhaps resign him to a more modest 3/18 deal after he expires?

Ariza is certainly expendable though.

[hands11]

I've changed my mind on trading Okafor unless we get something really good in return. How are we going to compete in the future without an experienced, rim protecting, rebounding big man. Nene can't do it alone and Seraphon doesn't rebound. Shouldn't we wait until after the draft to see what big we can get to replace him? We should move two of Ariza, Singleton or Booker in the meantime.

Now your coming around.

Okafor for one more year and then if they want, they can sign him cheap to come off the bench.

Cousin is free to come here in 2014/15 If he really wants to come, he will. Obviously the Wizards would need to know this for sure through John.

I would be keeping my eye peeled for a best SF in the draft.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Otto-Porter-6528/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/C.J.-Leslie-5736/

Trades are still an option, but not needed. Wiz can get there just by keeping most of what they have, drafting and then resigning players like Trevor A and Okafor for cheaper after next year. And getting Cousins as a walk on. The big question is will Kevin or Ves every develop enough to be a starter. If either does, they have two young PF already when Nene gets to old to start.

Lots will be determined by how well they play now that they are getting healthy. Still need Crawford back and Wall still needs to find a location or two on the floor where he can reliably shoot.

[tontoz]

Just thought you guys would be interested:

Darren Wolfson - MIN ESPN 1500 ‏@DarrenWolfson
Told Derrick Williams is being shopped heavily.

It's interesting because generally lottery players aren't for sale, because bad teams aren't win-now in one season, and because teams have generally sunk marketing and fan interest into top lottery picks. Situations make MIN win-now, and fans of the youth focus on Rubio, which makes Williams available far earlier than most guys drafted in the lottery.

I really thought the Wizards had a chance to trade for him on draft day (McGee + 6th pick for 2nd pick). Now i just feel like Minny could probably get a better offer from another team.

[jivelikenice]

can justify keeping him. I am sure he can be had i just don't know what it would take.

Williams would be ideal, and originally I didn't want to give Seraphin for him, but I'm thinking either a coaching change may get through to Seraphin better or just more accountability.

I'd do Seraphin+Crawford+Booker For Williams, but I think Minny is going to wait till the trade deadline.[/quote]

You folks are extremely over valuing Williams. It's a red flag that he's already on the block and getting minimal pt even with Love out. Forgot to throw in his poor play...when he is dealt to whomever, the trade will be for much less than you guys are expecting

[Nivek]

Less than Seraphin, Crawford and Booker? Wow.

[gambitx777]

True, when i was over at an old forum i proposed many different D will trades toe the mini fans, They were way over valuing him. They were talking about getting all these high caliber players for D will and picks and I was just like really guys? I told them something like this. He really is not all that valuable to Mini. He is not only coming alone slower than he was supposed to be but Mini has done nothing to add to his value. They have devalued him greatly. They have not been keeping a lid on how unhappy that they are with him and back in the draft word was that they did not even want to draft him. Every one knows that they don't want him. Plus they have not tried anything to up his trade value, they are not giving him minute at all. they should be letting him play his way in to some trade value but they continue to under and miss use him. They are going to end up taking whatever they can get for him.

As i posted above i think our best shot at getting him would be a 3 way of some kind. like one with orlando, atlanta, the kings or the suns.

[dangermouse]

what about this trade ?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bz82wue
3 way with mini and magic
Wiz gets : D will and Roy.
Magic gets : Barea or Ridnour and Crawford, Maybe a first round pick from mini.
Mini gets : Ariza and Redick and maybe the NYK second round pick from the wiz.

We buy out roy and take the cap room and Crawford and ariza won't be missed and we add Dwill.
Orlando gets guard help and another first round pick to use in their rebuild.
Mini gets a legit 2 guard and the vet Sf that they are looking for.

if orlando wants more we can always give them booker, singleton since they can both play the 3 and they are weak there just for filler and they we keep our second. Also mini has two first rounders this year so they would probably be ok moving it.

after this move we could move NENE work parts and picks, i agree i do not mind holding on to ariza for a while but if we can get cap room, young talent or picks out of him i say we do it.

I like this one a lot. And you know Minnesota will go for it, because they get a good white guy. I have a feeling Orlando would just cut us out to get at DWill themselves, though.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

can justify keeping him. I am sure he can be had i just don't know what it would take.

Williams would be ideal, and originally I didn't want to give Seraphin for him, but I'm thinking either a coaching change may get through to Seraphin better or just more accountability.

I'd do Seraphin+Crawford+Booker For Williams, but I think Minny is going to wait till the trade deadline.

You folks are extremely over valuing Williams. It's a red flag that he's already on the block and getting minimal pt even with Love out. Forgot to throw in his poor play...when he is dealt to whomever, the trade will be for much less than you guys are expecting[/quote]


Well we have several players that could work in a deal for DWill... we could do a Crawford, Booker, Singleton package, or Crawford with Vesely would also work.

I think either of those would be pretty fair deals & could be good for Minn.