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Post#16 Re: Crawford vs Arenas 3rd Year Comparision
Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:02 pm by Nivek

Ah. My bad. :(
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Post#17 Re: Crawford vs Arenas 3rd Year Comparision
Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:07 pm by bulletproof_32

Very interesting comparison. Got me thinging (sic) about another very similar comparison that should be on fredstake.com soon:


Jan Vs Jermaine 1st year comparison

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=2012

Ok, before you'll (or y'all) freak out, just look at the numbers. I know this is sacreligious to the EG haters but so be it. This isn't about saying Jan is the franchise cornerstone or the heart of this team but it is interesting to see their similarities and realize Jan has nice potential if used correctly.

Both 6-11. Jan is thinker (tomato/ tamatoe) at 240 ( apparently jan also uses a different scale to weight himself).

Neither played college ball.
One was teammates with Rasheed Wallace. The other plays for a franchise that drafted Rasheed Wallace.
Both have names that begin with J (although one can't hit a j, the other has hit a few j's in his lifetime)
Both showed tones of swag confidence at the draft.

OK. Let the freak out name calling begin. I've been making this comparison for years and will stick my 7 year Wizboard reputation on it.
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Post#18 Re: Crawford vs Arenas 3rd Year Comparision
Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:10 pm by hands11

AFM wrote:Because he increased his scoring from 19 to 29 PPG in 2 seasons. I dont see Crawford doing that. I agree that at this point in Crawford's career they are similar players, but Arenas was a freak of a nature who practiced his ass off and turned into one of the best guards in the game.


I wasn't saying Crawford would eventually put up Gil numbers in two years. You are getting ahead of yourself.
All I have been saying it that I think he would be a good back up PG who can start when needed. Now give opportunities could he develop more. Absolutely. But first things first. He need to be presented the opportunity.

I just saw the comparison numbers interesting. And I also think Crawford would be better developed as a PG. Should be interesting to see how the number develop if he is allowed to stay at PG while Wall is out.
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Post#19 Re: Crawford vs Arenas 3rd Year Comparision
Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:15 pm by hands11

bulletproof_32 wrote:Very interesting comparison. Got me thinging (sic) about another very similar comparison that should be on fredstake.com soon:


Jan Vs Jermaine 1st year comparison

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=2012

Ok, before you'll (or y'all) freak out, just look at the numbers. I know this is sacreligious to the EG haters but so be it. This isn't about saying Jan is the franchise cornerstone or the heart of this team but it is interesting to see their similarities and realize Jan has nice potential if used correctly.

Both 6-11. Jan is thinker (tomato/ tamatoe) at 240 ( apparently jan also uses a different scale to weight himself).

Neither played college ball.
One was teammates with Rasheed Wallace. The other plays for a franchise that drafted Rasheed Wallace.
Both have names that begin with J (although one can't hit a j, the other has hit a few j's in his lifetime)
Both showed tones of swag confidence at the draft.

OK. Let the freak out name calling begin. I've been making this comparison for years and will stick my 7 year Wizboard reputation on it.


That was awesome. :lol:
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Post#20 Re: Crawford vs Arenas 3rd Year Comparision
Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:51 am by jivelikenice

This comparison is an insult o Gil. Jordan doesn't have Gil's shooting range, shooting ability, ability to get to the basket, strength/quickness combo, ability to get on the line, or handles.....there's no comparison.
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Post#21 Re: Crawford vs Arenas 3rd Year Comparision
Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:09 am by Chocolate City Jordanaire

I'm going to start all my self-congratulatory posts with the phrase, "I'm going to stick my 12-year Realgm reputation on …"

bulletproof, I hear that there metric system weight scale is different. Jan's 240 lbs is probably some sort of conversion, however they do that.

I believe Jan weighs right at 16-and-a-half stone
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Post#22 Re: Crawford vs Arenas 3rd Year Comparision
Tue Dec 25, 2012 9:57 am by AFM

He shoots like the ball is a 16 and a half lb stone you mean.
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Post#23 Re: Crawford vs Arenas 3rd Year Comparision
Sat Jan 5, 2013 12:04 pm by hands11

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 02&y2=2013

Starting to pull away from 3rd year Gil.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... fjo02.html

Up year over year over year.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... ing-guards

Pick a link.

Crawford only cost us 1M and he is a Jamal Crawford clone only a decade younger. Just to note, Jamal starts for the LAC who have the second best record in the league. He makes 5M a years.

His numbers also measure up to J.R. Smith starting SG for NY, who have the 5th best record in the league. JR is a steal at 2.8M

Dollar for pts, these are the best valued SG that produce.

We have JC signed for another year a 2M then and match year at 3.2M

JC is worth at least what the other JC is getting which is 5M. I would have no problem with the Wizards extended him for that at 3 years. If he keeps this progress up, they should consider this.

Wall/Temple/Price
Beal/Crawford/FA 3 ball shooter

Could make for a solid guard rotation for years to come. The key would be not overpaying for Wall

I still say they are building a team that is better balanced and better then the GA, CB, AJ, Haywood team.
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Post#24 Re: Crawford vs Arenas 3rd Year Comparision
Sat Jan 5, 2013 12:12 pm by Dat2U

Most laughable thread ever. Folks ought to get a backhand to the face for suggesting such ridiculousness.
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Post#25 Re: Crawford vs Arenas 3rd Year Comparision
Sat Jan 5, 2013 12:37 pm by BigA

bulletproof_32 wrote:Very interesting comparison. Got me thinging (sic) about another very similar comparison that should be on fredstake.com soon:


Jan Vs Jermaine 1st year comparison

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=2012

Ok, before you'll (or y'all) freak out, just look at the numbers. I know this is sacreligious to the EG haters but so be it. This isn't about saying Jan is the franchise cornerstone or the heart of this team but it is interesting to see their similarities and realize Jan has nice potential if used correctly.

Both 6-11. Jan is thinker (tomato/ tamatoe) at 240 ( apparently jan also uses a different scale to weight himself).

Neither played college ball.
One was teammates with Rasheed Wallace. The other plays for a franchise that drafted Rasheed Wallace.
Both have names that begin with J (although one can't hit a j, the other has hit a few j's in his lifetime)
Both showed tones of swag confidence at the draft.

OK. Let the freak out name calling begin. I've been making this comparison for years and will stick my 7 year Wizboard reputation on it.


I'm HOF'ing this one.

By the way, I think it would be funny for those so inclined to start making satiric positive comments on Ted's Take and see if they get posted. It would be similar to the way Russians got things by the censors in the old Soviet Union.
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Post#26 Re: Crawford vs Arenas 3rd Year Comparision
Sat Jan 5, 2013 12:44 pm by Wizardspride

Dat2U wrote:Most laughable thread ever. Folks ought to get a backhand to the face for suggesting such ridiculousness.

I totally agree.

I just refrained from saying anything out of respect to the OP. :)
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Post#27 Re: Crawford vs Arenas 3rd Year Comparision
Sat Jan 5, 2013 12:53 pm by hands11

Its a numbers comparison. It is what it is.

Crawford is not getting the keys to a team any time soon like Gil did.

That said, I didn't care for the role Gil played with the Wiz. I thought it was a flowed design. I much prefer having a player like Wall with Beal next to him then Gil and Hughes or Gil and DSleez

But Crawford does have some of the same game Gil had. There is a comparison to be made. That is if yo have an open mind and don't over idolize Gil.

But in the end, Wall with Beal and Crawford is going to be the best guard rotation you have seen here is a long time. That is if Beal has really turned the corner it looks like he has.
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Post#28 Re: Crawford vs Arenas 3rd Year Comparision
Sat Jan 5, 2013 1:04 pm by TGW

Dat2U wrote:Most laughable thread ever. Folks ought to get a backhand to the face for suggesting such ridiculousness.


:lol:
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Post#29 Re: Crawford vs Arenas 3rd Year Comparision
Sat Jan 5, 2013 1:08 pm by Wizardspride

hands11 wrote:
But Crawford does have some of the same game Gil had. There is a comparison to be made. That is if yo have an open mind and don't over idolize Gil.
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No. The only comparison to be made is if you don't have an open mind and intensely dislike Gil. (like you did...and still do.)

Other than being guards, I see no real comparison.


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Post#30 Re: Crawford vs Arenas 3rd Year Comparision
Sat Jan 5, 2013 1:17 pm by hands11

hands11 wrote:http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=arenagi01&y1=2004&p2=crawfjo02&y2=2013

Starting to pull away from 3rd year Gil.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... fjo02.html

Up year over year over year.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/playe ... ing-guards

Pick a link.

Crawford only cost us 1M and he is a Jamal Crawford clone only a decade younger. Just to note, Jamal starts for the LAC who have the second best record in the league. He makes 5M a years.

His numbers also measure up to J.R. Smith starting SG for NY, who have the 5th best record in the league. JR is a steal at 2.8M

Dollar for pts, these are the best valued SG that produce.

We have JC signed for another year a 2M then and match year at 3.2M

JC is worth at least what the other JC is getting which is 5M. I would have no problem with the Wizards extended him for that at 3 years. If he keeps this progress up, they should consider this.

Wall/Temple/Price
Beal/Crawford/FA 3 ball shooter

Could make for a solid guard rotation for years to come. The key would be not overpaying for Wall

I still say they are building a team that is better balanced and better then the GA, CB, AJ, Haywood team.


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Post#31 Re: Crawford vs Arenas 3rd Year Comparision
Sat Jan 5, 2013 1:37 pm by go'stags

You dislike Gil for his "shot jacking". Never mind that he was hyper-efficient. And now you're a fan of Crawford?

Try again.
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Post#32 Re: Crawford vs Arenas 3rd Year Comparision
Sat Jan 5, 2013 2:06 pm by TGW

go'stags wrote:You dislike Gil for his "shot jacking". Never mind that he was hyper-efficient. And now you're a fan of Crawford?

Try again.


Not only that, but Hands fails to realize just how much of a FAIL this thread is. He's basically arguing that Crawford is about as good as an injured Gilbert Arenas.
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Post#33 Re: Crawford vs Arenas 3rd Year Comparision
Sat Jan 5, 2013 3:39 pm by Nivek

Is hands still at this? :nonono:

There are probably quite a few seriously injured guys that Crawford can outplay. Don't want to be limited in our thinking.
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Post#34 Re: Crawford vs Arenas 3rd Year Comparision
Sat Jan 5, 2013 3:56 pm by tontoz

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Post#35 Re: Crawford vs Arenas 3rd Year Comparision
Sat Jan 5, 2013 4:43 pm by hands11

Man I wish I was so injured I could average 38 minutes a game and mix in some 40+ minutes ones with
three 50 minute games.

After he took some time off, he came back to play his 2nd and 3rd game back at 44:00 and 41:00 mins
on back to back nights.

Where do I sign up for that injury. :lol:

Ok, I think I will let this go for now. Its obviously upsetting to some. I would rather get pumped up over Beals new 3 ball and Wall and Trevor returning.
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