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All Hail the new Queen of Basketball. Blake Griffin

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Re: All Hail the new Queen of Basketball. Blake Griffin 

Post#16 » by mohammed10 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:26 am

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DMVleGeND wrote:My least favorite player in the league. I've disliked him since his rookie yr (when everybody used to like him btw). I could see right through him, and knew that he would become the next LeBron (in a bad way). Dude is such a diva-whining after every call doesn't go his way, flopping like a pussy bitch, etc. And he's overrated.


I got you beat. I hated him before he was draft back when the majority of this board was dreaming of tanking so we could draft him.

I could tell he was a douche back them.


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Post#17 » by FAH1223 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:27 am

Its funny how a flip of a coin and we could have had him in 2009 and then have Wall in 2010 because Blake was injured.
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Post#18 » by dangermouse » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:06 am

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dangermouse wrote:Yep, I feel the same way. Flake Griffin has taken Lebron's place as my most hated.


Wait - you place Griffin over Garnett or D Wade?


Well, we did just play against them.

Ask me again after we play the C's i'll probably tell you Garnett is the biggest douchebag in the league
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Post#19 » by Nivek » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:14 pm

If Griffin was with the Wizards y'all would be defending how great he is.
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Post#20 » by MJG » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:37 pm

Why yes, it's much easier to ignore someone's annoying habits when they are providing your favorite team with all-NBA-caliber play to offset that. I imagine every last person here would quickly forget their dislike of Wade, James, Garnett, and whoever else if those players somehow wound up in our laps. Until that happens though, the complaining will continue.
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Re: All Hail the new Queen of Basketball. Blake Griffin 

Post#21 » by OffTheWall2 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:53 pm

Never forget.

This man robbed the Wizards of winning both a dunk contest AND rookie of the year awards.
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Post#24 » by montestewart » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:21 pm

Like LeBJ, Griffin often looks like a bull in a china shop, and the broken china keeps getting the foul. There's surely lots of evidence of this already, but when nothing comes of a review of the game tapes (and, you know, maybe they don't even really review them) assume additional confirmation that the new anti-flopping rules were never intended to be applied to superstars.

Arenas used to get a favorable calls. Those were the days. We need some players that can get those calls.
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Post#25 » by dobrojim » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:49 pm

it's lucky for Blake dunking is such a valuable skill. If not for that
he'd be a pretty mediocre basketball player. If he's the horse they're
hitching their playoff wagon to, I'm not sure how far they can get.
CP3 is awfully good though.

PS - the teammate of Wall's the Wizards should go after might
better be Eric Bledsoe than DMC. Imagine EB as our 3rd guard.
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Post#26 » by Nivek » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:31 pm

dobrojim wrote:it's lucky for Blake dunking is such a valuable skill. If not for that
he'd be a pretty mediocre basketball player. If he's the horse they're
hitching their playoff wagon to, I'm not sure how far they can get.
CP3 is awfully good though.


Are you sure you don't want to revise and extend these remarks? :)

Griffin is above average in points, rebounds, assists, steals, and offensive efficiency. He's average at blocking shots, below average at shooting free throws, and he commits 0.3 turnovers (per 40 minutes) more than average. His above average efficiency comes on well above average usage. He'd be the best player on the Wizards by a very comfortable margin.

Chris Paul is a phenomenal player -- definitely a league MVP candidate.

PS - the teammate of Wall's the Wizards should go after might
better be Eric Bledsoe than DMC. Imagine EB as our 3rd guard.


I do like Bledsoe.
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Post#27 » by closg00 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:40 pm

I wasn't aware that the CLipper flops are a problem, I saw one other thread on the topic, this-one was good from the GB.

Lakersmylife wrote:This is why Clipper games are so unwatchable. Even their games that go down to the wire are so predictable in the sense that the games end with Paul, Griffin, or even Billups flopping their way to the line.

Yes, they've been playing great this season, but the flopping is just getting out of hand.
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Post#28 » by dobrojim » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:44 pm

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dobrojim wrote:it's lucky for Blake dunking is such a valuable skill. If not for that
he'd be a pretty mediocre basketball player. If he's the horse they're
hitching their playoff wagon to, I'm not sure how far they can get.
CP3 is awfully good though.


Are you sure you don't want to revise and extend these remarks? :)

Griffin is above average in points, rebounds, assists, steals, and offensive efficiency. He's average at blocking shots, below average at shooting free throws, and he commits 0.3 turnovers (per 40 minutes) more than average. His above average efficiency comes on well above average usage. He'd be the best player on the Wizards by a very comfortable margin.

Chris Paul is a phenomenal player -- definitely a league MVP candidate.

PS - the teammate of Wall's the Wizards should go after might
better be Eric Bledsoe than DMC. Imagine EB as our 3rd guard.


I do like Bledsoe.


If you're good enough to keep him from getting his typical number of
dunks, what I see is a pretty average (better word than mediocre) player and
one who definitely struggles to hit non-dunk shots from more than at the rim distance.
Those are big reasons why the Clips lost when they did in the playoff last
year. Opp defenses made Blake a jump shooter.
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Post#29 » by Nivek » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:59 pm

Not as true this season as it was previous years -- at least so far. Griffin appears to have put in considerable work on his shooting. He's average or better at-rim (duh -- .735 to lg avg .642), from 3-9 feet (.510 to .385), from 10-15 feet (.433 to .415) and 16-23 feet (.390 to .380). Not much of a 3pt shooter, though.

Virtually everyone's efficiency drops when you keep them away from the rim. Griffin -- so far this season -- has become about average at shooting the ball with some range. Which will help him get more attempts at the rim as defenses start respecting him out on the floor. Plus, he's still above average in other categories.

And, he's 23. I'd take him on my team.
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Post#30 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:09 pm

Blake shot 5-18. If he shoots like that every time we play the Clips, he is my favoritist player EVAH.
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Re: All Hail the new Queen of Basketball. Blake Griffin 

Post#31 » by queridiculo » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:21 pm

Finally seeing that Booker gif, wow, I know I wouldn't have had the restraint to keep myself from turning this into a brawl.
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Post#32 » by AFM » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:25 pm

Nivek wrote:Not as true this season as it was previous years -- at least so far. Griffin appears to have put in considerable work on his shooting. He's average or better at-rim (duh -- .735 to lg avg .642), from 3-9 feet (.510 to .385), from 10-15 feet (.433 to .415) and 16-23 feet (.390 to .380). Not much of a 3pt shooter, though.

Virtually everyone's efficiency drops when you keep them away from the rim. Griffin -- so far this season -- has become about average at shooting the ball with some range. Which will help him get more attempts at the rim as defenses start respecting him out on the floor. Plus, he's still above average in other categories.

And, he's 23. I'd take him on my team.

No one is saying he's not good statistically. But there are two types of players, those who rely on athleticism and size and those who rely on skills. I appreciate, and I think most people on this board do too, skill over athleticism. I'd much rather watch Duncan or Nene show off some awesome footwork than Blake just going DUHH and dunking it. So when someone says "Griffin isn't that good at basketball" that's usually what they are referring to. His game is still very raw.
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Post#33 » by Nivek » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:00 pm

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Nivek wrote:Not as true this season as it was previous years -- at least so far. Griffin appears to have put in considerable work on his shooting. He's average or better at-rim (duh -- .735 to lg avg .642), from 3-9 feet (.510 to .385), from 10-15 feet (.433 to .415) and 16-23 feet (.390 to .380). Not much of a 3pt shooter, though.

Virtually everyone's efficiency drops when you keep them away from the rim. Griffin -- so far this season -- has become about average at shooting the ball with some range. Which will help him get more attempts at the rim as defenses start respecting him out on the floor. Plus, he's still above average in other categories.

And, he's 23. I'd take him on my team.

No one is saying he's not good statistically. But there are two types of players, those who rely on athleticism and size and those who rely on skills. I appreciate, and I think most people on this board do too, skill over athleticism. I'd much rather watch Duncan or Nene show off some awesome footwork than Blake just going DUHH and dunking it. So when someone says "Griffin isn't that good at basketball" that's usually what they are referring to. His game is still very raw.


It's probably time that the "Griffin is nothing more than a dunker" scouting report got an update. As noted above, he's shooting jumpers better this season than in his first two years. He's still a good passer -- third most assists per minute among PFs. Shooting and passing -- skills. Maybe his post-up game isn't smooth and pretty, but he appears to be a guy willing to work on his game. He's already improved his shooting...maybe his post-up game is next on the list.

I'd definitely take Duncan over him (for this season), but Griffin -- whatever his perceived faults -- is productive, young and appears to be improving. There aren't many PFs in the game I would take over Griffin.
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Post#34 » by AFM » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:03 pm

Yeah, he's no doubt improved his jumper. I don't see much improvement in his post game though. He had a few shots in the last game where he jumped with his back to the basket and tried to spin in mid air before shooting, a common sign of poor footwork IMO.
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Re: All Hail the new Queen of Basketball. Blake Griffin 

Post#35 » by hands11 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:49 am

OffTheWall2 wrote:Never forget.

This man robbed the Wizards of winning both a dunk contest AND rookie of the year awards.


All hail The Queen.

As to what another poster posted that it wouldn't be annoying if those players played for us.

Personally. I would still be very annoyed and call them a Queen.

Hell, we get on Kevin for being soft. I doubt many here wouldn't call out Blake if he was here.

Personally, I wouldn't want him on a team I root for. I like to like and respect the players I root for.

As of now, I like and respect several of the Wizards players and I expect that to get easier as they win more games and gain more respect and develop their games.
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