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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING

Postby Nivek on Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:05 pm

You know, fish... I agree 100% with what you just posted. Crawford is Crittenton 2.0. Maybe he shapes up in Boston, maybe he's playing in Slovenia in 2 years.
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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING

Postby TGW on Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:06 pm

Nice post fish...totally agree.

It's shocking just how bad this FO is at not only judging talent, but character as well. As any other team traded more players due to attitude issues than the Wizards in the past 3 years? I mean, it didn't take a psychologist to see that Arenas, McGee, Blatche, Young, and Crawford severely lacked professionalism from the get-go.
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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING

Postby Mr. Grundle on Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:57 pm

I do believe we could have gotten more for Crawford. It would have been possible if we hadn't been so transparent that we wanted to dump him.

Grunfeld possessed a talented yet flawed player. A player who could put up numbers but didn't give you what you wanted in the locker room. So he decides despite the talent it is in the best interest of the team to get rid of this player. That's fine, no problem with that.

But why would you bench that player 2 weeks before the trade deadline? You are essentially blurting out to the entire league that we do not value this player at all, so why would they offer anything of value in a trade?

A savy GM would have played Crawford big minutes leading up to the trade deadline in hopes he puts up numbers to inflate his trade value. You might have pulled a late 1st rd pick from a playoff contender in need of scoring off the bench.

I've got no issue with moving Crawford. But Grunfeld absolutely minimized the possible return for him by benching him 2 weeks before the trade deadline. That was absolutely idiotic. A guy that can put up numbers will always draw interest from other teams, UNLESS its obvious he has other issues.....which we made abundantly clear by benching him for no good reason.

Grunfeld blows.
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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING

Postby Nivek on Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:12 pm

I think fish is right and that playing Crawford big minutes wouldn't have made any difference. The league knows his game. Most teams know that he's inefficient and that his inefficiency hurts a good team. Most teams have an analytics department. They all know by now to look beyond pts per game.
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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING

Postby montestewart on Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:16 pm

TGW wrote:Nice post fish...totally agree.

It's shocking just how bad this FO is at not only judging talent, but character as well. As any other team traded more players due to attitude issues than the Wizards in the past 3 years? I mean, it didn't take a psychologist to see that Arenas, McGee, Blatche, Young, and Crawford severely lacked professionalism from the get-go.

Even on an attitude issue level they fail. Most teams that somehow assemble a collection of malcontents have at least a few badd @$$ psycho types (think Jailblazers or "Malice in the Palace" Pacers), but all we end up with are whiny class clowns.
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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING

Postby fishercob on Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:16 pm

Nivek wrote:I think fish is right and that playing Crawford big minutes wouldn't have made any difference. The league knows his game. Most teams know that he's inefficient and that his inefficiency hurts a good team. Most teams have an analytics department. They all know by now to look beyond pts per game.


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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING

Postby montestewart on Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:54 pm

Every GM knows how to read those stats. Well, almost every GM. The Wizards still found a taker after more than a month of escalating pyschodrama. The declining minutes, DNPs, the loudly whispered hints that no one on the Wizards could stand him. Some of that may have softened the market Jordan H. Crawford. They should have traded him right after that three. Yes, while he was still under the pile.

Traded Big Balls for a couple of rusty nuts. That's a Wizards trade, for sure.
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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING

Postby Chocolate City Jordanaire on Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:11 pm

Nivek wrote:I think fish is right and that playing Crawford big minutes wouldn't have made any difference. The league knows his game. Most teams know that he's inefficient and that his inefficiency hurts a good team. Most teams have an analytics department. They all know by now to look beyond pts per game.


Nivek, you've demonstrated that players don't get better when they leave the Wizards. I posted they ended up better off and I think I did say everybody gets better when they leave Washington. You proved me wrong.

I might need a refresher course, because my opinion about Crawford is he's just what the Celtics need and I think he's greatly underrated. Screw all he demonstrated as a Wizard. Crawford's isolation scoring and his passing are going to be a major shot in the arm for the Cs IMO. I think Doc Rivers is THE COACH for him. I think your aforementioned inefficient Crawford was more efficient than Beal this season; and that Crawford is still improving at 22 years old. Jordan's mindset lags far behind his skill set IMO.

I think an attitude adjustment is going to take place with Boston and that what will happen is all those free throws Crawford the Wizard rarely got on drives to the hole are going to turn into free throw opportunities for Crawford the Celtic. I think he's going to have better teammates and his efficiency will go up because his shots won't be as contested. I think Rivers will help his basketball IQ and that Rondo next season will get him the ball where he can score.

I think Crawford is going to be a lot better player for the Celtics.

Maybe I need the remedial course, Nivek. :oops: I did fail differential calculus the first time I took it. If you asked me most of that stuff now I wouldn't know it. Maybe I need a refresher course on just how bad Crawford is.

monte, I think every GM knows it is a good thing to trade with Grunfeld, especially at the trade deadline. I think every GM is saying Boston got a steal. They wouldn't say that if the tea leaves say Jordan Crawford is garbage.
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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING

Postby hands11 on Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:30 pm

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400278540

Boston game going on. They have Crawford 1-4 from 3 land in Zero Mins at the half

Only Crawford could pull that off.
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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING

Postby montestewart on Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:49 pm

hands11 wrote:http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400278540

Boston game going on. They have Crawford 1-4 from 3 land in Zero Mins at the half

Only Crawford could pull that off.

That's hilarious.
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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING

Postby Gant on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:02 pm

Crawford had to take two of those 3's to beat the buzzer. He's looking very good. So is Terrence Williams.
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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING

Postby Knighthonor on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:16 pm

montestewart wrote:
hands11 wrote:http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400278540

Boston game going on. They have Crawford 1-4 from 3 land in Zero Mins at the half

Only Crawford could pull that off.

That's hilarious.

he has 7 and they they have a huge lead.
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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING

Postby Gant on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:21 pm

Crawford ended with 10 points on 4 for 9 shooting, 2 assists, 3 rebs, 1 turnover, in 17 minutes. He passed well and played D. He looked very good. No dumb plays at all that I saw.
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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING

Postby hands11 on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:31 pm

Gant wrote:Crawford ended with 10 points on 4 for 9 shooting, 2 assists, 3 rebs, 1 turnover, in 17 minutes. He passed well and played D. He looked very good. No dumb plays at all that I saw.


I saw the game. He played in a blow out game so everything was loose and easy for Boston.

He made one nice highlight pass on a fast break where he drove and did a no look dump to the player running behind him.

I'm sure he had fun playing again. We will wait and see how or if they use him in closer games.

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Re: Big Balls traded to Boston for (almost) NOTHING

Postby PZiv on Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:35 pm

The only way it would have made sense is if WAS dumped Jan Vesely's salary in this trade.
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