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Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2)

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IS IT TIME TO FIRE ERNIE GRUNFELD?

1) Yes, I believe it is time for EG to go now.
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2) Ted should let him go at the end of the season.
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3) No, Ted needs to give him more time..(DESPITE THE FACT ERNIE HAS BEEN GM SINCE 2003 AND WASHINGTON HAS THE THIRD WORST RECORD IN THE LEAGUE IN THAT SPAN)
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1681 » by FAH1223 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:27 pm

thricethefun wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:I expect Grunfail to pick Harrell or Martin at #19.


We didn't even work out either of those two guys did we?


Martin has a promise supposedly from some team in the middle 1st round.

Harrell screams EG type pick as well.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1682 » by closg00 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:36 pm

FAH1223 wrote:
thricethefun wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:I expect Grunfail to pick Harrell or Martin at #19.


We didn't even work out either of those two guys did we?


Martin has a promise supposedly from some team in the middle 1st round.

Harrell screams EG type pick as well.


Harrell could be going to ATL for Milsap insurance.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1683 » by FAH1223 » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:13 pm

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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1684 » by closg00 » Fri Jun 26, 2015 2:22 am

I hope the selling of the 2nd round pick is just a rumor.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1685 » by queridiculo » Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:56 am

From the Washington Post comment section, pretty comprehensive summary of Grunfeld's draft record.

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6/24/2015 6:55 PM EDT
Peter John Ramos, Devin Harris (traded immediately), Andray Blatche, Vladimir Veremeenko, Oleksiy Pecherov, Dominic McGuire, Nick Young, Bill Walker, JaVale McGee, Jermaine Taylor, Nemanja Bjelica, Lazar Hayward, Shelvin Mack, Chris Singleton, Kevin Seraphin, Jan Vesely, Tomas Satoransky, and Jordan Clarkson (traded immediately)

People are actually arguing that that isn't that bad of a Draft track record? That's not even limiting it to picking outside the lottery, that's limiting it to picking outside the top 3! Let's go into a more comprehensive breakdown of that list:

Guys who could log big minutes on a contending team: ... (crickets) ... (crickets) ...

Good, solid, productive NBA players who could start on a decent team: Devin Harris (0 career minutes played for the Wizards)

Talented/physically-gifted players with an approach to the game that renders their talent and physical gifts completely useless: Nick Young, JaVale McGee, Andray Blatche

Serviceable Bench Bodies: Shelvin Mack (released by EG well before he got into this grouping), Kevin Seraphin, Jordan Clarkson (0 career minutes played for the Wizards. EG traded him for f---ing flash money for Ted Leonsis)

Guys who do not belong in the National Basketball Association: Peter John Ramos, Vladimir Veremeenko, Oleksiy Pecherov, Dominic McGuire, Bill Walker, Jermaine Taylor, Nemanja Bjelica, Lazar Hayward, Chris Singleton, Jan Vesely, and Tomas Satoransky.

Sorry EG apologists, no amount of gift-wrap can make that list look like anything but an absolute dumpster fire. The best thing he's done outside the top 3 picks of the Draft in more than 10 years of running the team is Kevin Seraphin. There isn't another angle here. It's just bad.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1686 » by FAH1223 » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:46 pm

queridiculo wrote:From the Washington Post comment section, pretty comprehensive summary of Grunfeld's draft record.

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6/24/2015 6:55 PM EDT
Peter John Ramos, Devin Harris (traded immediately), Andray Blatche, Vladimir Veremeenko, Oleksiy Pecherov, Dominic McGuire, Nick Young, Bill Walker, JaVale McGee, Jermaine Taylor, Nemanja Bjelica, Lazar Hayward, Shelvin Mack, Chris Singleton, Kevin Seraphin, Jan Vesely, Tomas Satoransky, and Jordan Clarkson (traded immediately)

People are actually arguing that that isn't that bad of a Draft track record? That's not even limiting it to picking outside the lottery, that's limiting it to picking outside the top 3! Let's go into a more comprehensive breakdown of that list:

Guys who could log big minutes on a contending team: ... (crickets) ... (crickets) ...

Good, solid, productive NBA players who could start on a decent team: Devin Harris (0 career minutes played for the Wizards)

Talented/physically-gifted players with an approach to the game that renders their talent and physical gifts completely useless: Nick Young, JaVale McGee, Andray Blatche

Serviceable Bench Bodies: Shelvin Mack (released by EG well before he got into this grouping), Kevin Seraphin, Jordan Clarkson (0 career minutes played for the Wizards. EG traded him for f---ing flash money for Ted Leonsis)

Guys who do not belong in the National Basketball Association: Peter John Ramos, Vladimir Veremeenko, Oleksiy Pecherov, Dominic McGuire, Bill Walker, Jermaine Taylor, Nemanja Bjelica, Lazar Hayward, Chris Singleton, Jan Vesely, and Tomas Satoransky.

Sorry EG apologists, no amount of gift-wrap can make that list look like anything but an absolute dumpster fire. The best thing he's done outside the top 3 picks of the Draft in more than 10 years of running the team is Kevin Seraphin. There isn't another angle here. It's just bad.


Exactly. I'm amazed people defend Ernie so vehemently.

Then they'll say the draft doesn't matter.

Uh. Hello?

The draft does matter. It gives your roster flexibility if you can actually nail a couple of picks. You get kids on rookie deals and if you always draft well you'll have assets for trades.

EG has routinely sacrificed assets for veterans or short term fixes or to clean up his previous messes.

The only GM in basketball who is allowed to have catastrophic results due to his own ineptitude and then clean up his own mess.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1687 » by closg00 » Sat Jun 27, 2015 11:44 pm

queridiculo wrote:From the Washington Post comment section, pretty comprehensive summary of Grunfeld's draft record.

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6/24/2015 6:55 PM EDT
Peter John Ramos, Devin Harris (traded immediately), Andray Blatche, Vladimir Veremeenko, Oleksiy Pecherov, Dominic McGuire, Nick Young, Bill Walker, JaVale McGee, Jermaine Taylor, Nemanja Bjelica, Lazar Hayward, Shelvin Mack, Chris Singleton, Kevin Seraphin, Jan Vesely, Tomas Satoransky, and Jordan Clarkson (traded immediately)

People are actually arguing that that isn't that bad of a Draft track record? That's not even limiting it to picking outside the lottery, that's limiting it to picking outside the top 3! Let's go into a more comprehensive breakdown of that list:

Guys who could log big minutes on a contending team: ... (crickets) ... (crickets) ...

Good, solid, productive NBA players who could start on a decent team: Devin Harris (0 career minutes played for the Wizards)

Talented/physically-gifted players with an approach to the game that renders their talent and physical gifts completely useless: Nick Young, JaVale McGee, Andray Blatche

Serviceable Bench Bodies: Shelvin Mack (released by EG well before he got into this grouping), Kevin Seraphin, Jordan Clarkson (0 career minutes played for the Wizards. EG traded him for f---ing flash money for Ted Leonsis)

Guys who do not belong in the National Basketball Association: Peter John Ramos, Vladimir Veremeenko, Oleksiy Pecherov, Dominic McGuire, Bill Walker, Jermaine Taylor, Nemanja Bjelica, Lazar Hayward, Chris Singleton, Jan Vesely, and Tomas Satoransky.

Sorry EG apologists, no amount of gift-wrap can make that list look like anything but an absolute dumpster fire. The best thing he's done outside the top 3 picks of the Draft in more than 10 years of running the team is Kevin Seraphin. There isn't another angle here. It's just bad.


:onfire: Whew, that was withering fire. Before Abe, after Abe, isn't this^^ record all brain farts and bad luck?
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1688 » by dckingsfan » Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:29 pm

closg00 wrote:
queridiculo wrote:From the Washington Post comment section, pretty comprehensive summary of Grunfeld's draft record.

NOVAram
6/24/2015 6:55 PM EDT
Peter John Ramos, Devin Harris (traded immediately), Andray Blatche, Vladimir Veremeenko, Oleksiy Pecherov, Dominic McGuire, Nick Young, Bill Walker, JaVale McGee, Jermaine Taylor, Nemanja Bjelica, Lazar Hayward, Shelvin Mack, Chris Singleton, Kevin Seraphin, Jan Vesely, Tomas Satoransky, and Jordan Clarkson (traded immediately)

People are actually arguing that that isn't that bad of a Draft track record? That's not even limiting it to picking outside the lottery, that's limiting it to picking outside the top 3! Let's go into a more comprehensive breakdown of that list:

Guys who could log big minutes on a contending team: ... (crickets) ... (crickets) ...

Good, solid, productive NBA players who could start on a decent team: Devin Harris (0 career minutes played for the Wizards)

Talented/physically-gifted players with an approach to the game that renders their talent and physical gifts completely useless: Nick Young, JaVale McGee, Andray Blatche

Serviceable Bench Bodies: Shelvin Mack (released by EG well before he got into this grouping), Kevin Seraphin, Jordan Clarkson (0 career minutes played for the Wizards. EG traded him for f---ing flash money for Ted Leonsis)

Guys who do not belong in the National Basketball Association: Peter John Ramos, Vladimir Veremeenko, Oleksiy Pecherov, Dominic McGuire, Bill Walker, Jermaine Taylor, Nemanja Bjelica, Lazar Hayward, Chris Singleton, Jan Vesely, and Tomas Satoransky.

Sorry EG apologists, no amount of gift-wrap can make that list look like anything but an absolute dumpster fire. The best thing he's done outside the top 3 picks of the Draft in more than 10 years of running the team is Kevin Seraphin. There isn't another angle here. It's just bad.


:onfire: Whew, that was withering fire. Before Abe, after Abe, isn't this^^ record all brain farts and bad luck?


This is pretty good too:

That generally spells trouble for any coach working for Grunfeld.

Grunfeld failed to back Jeff Van Gundy in New York after the general manager went out and got Latrell Sprewell, and, shockingly, became a discipline problem for the coach. And, as we know in Washington, Grunfeld cut the knees out from under Eddie Jordan in battles with Gilbert Arenas and Flip Saunders in his struggles with Andray Blatche.

Before Abe, after Abe, isn't this^^ record all brain farts and bad luck?
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1689 » by FAH1223 » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:22 pm

Who is going to be this year's Eric Maynor guys?
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1690 » by nate33 » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:36 pm

closg00 wrote:
queridiculo wrote:From the Washington Post comment section, pretty comprehensive summary of Grunfeld's draft record.

NOVAram
6/24/2015 6:55 PM EDT
Peter John Ramos, Devin Harris (traded immediately), Andray Blatche, Vladimir Veremeenko, Oleksiy Pecherov, Dominic McGuire, Nick Young, Bill Walker, JaVale McGee, Jermaine Taylor, Nemanja Bjelica, Lazar Hayward, Shelvin Mack, Chris Singleton, Kevin Seraphin, Jan Vesely, Tomas Satoransky, and Jordan Clarkson (traded immediately)

People are actually arguing that that isn't that bad of a Draft track record? That's not even limiting it to picking outside the lottery, that's limiting it to picking outside the top 3! Let's go into a more comprehensive breakdown of that list:

Guys who could log big minutes on a contending team: ... (crickets) ... (crickets) ...

Good, solid, productive NBA players who could start on a decent team: Devin Harris (0 career minutes played for the Wizards)

Talented/physically-gifted players with an approach to the game that renders their talent and physical gifts completely useless: Nick Young, JaVale McGee, Andray Blatche

Serviceable Bench Bodies: Shelvin Mack (released by EG well before he got into this grouping), Kevin Seraphin, Jordan Clarkson (0 career minutes played for the Wizards. EG traded him for f---ing flash money for Ted Leonsis)

Guys who do not belong in the National Basketball Association: Peter John Ramos, Vladimir Veremeenko, Oleksiy Pecherov, Dominic McGuire, Bill Walker, Jermaine Taylor, Nemanja Bjelica, Lazar Hayward, Chris Singleton, Jan Vesely, and Tomas Satoransky.

Sorry EG apologists, no amount of gift-wrap can make that list look like anything but an absolute dumpster fire. The best thing he's done outside the top 3 picks of the Draft in more than 10 years of running the team is Kevin Seraphin. There isn't another angle here. It's just bad.


:onfire: Whew, that was withering fire. Before Abe, after Abe, isn't this^^ record all brain farts and bad luck?

He forgot Trevor Booker. Booker would lead the "serviceable bench bodies" category.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1691 » by fishercob » Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:12 pm

closg00 wrote:
queridiculo wrote:From the Washington Post comment section, pretty comprehensive summary of Grunfeld's draft record.

NOVAram
6/24/2015 6:55 PM EDT
Peter John Ramos, Devin Harris (traded immediately), Andray Blatche, Vladimir Veremeenko, Oleksiy Pecherov, Dominic McGuire, Nick Young, Bill Walker, JaVale McGee, Jermaine Taylor, Nemanja Bjelica, Lazar Hayward, Shelvin Mack, Chris Singleton, Kevin Seraphin, Jan Vesely, Tomas Satoransky, and Jordan Clarkson (traded immediately)

People are actually arguing that that isn't that bad of a Draft track record? That's not even limiting it to picking outside the lottery, that's limiting it to picking outside the top 3! Let's go into a more comprehensive breakdown of that list:

Guys who could log big minutes on a contending team: ... (crickets) ... (crickets) ...

Good, solid, productive NBA players who could start on a decent team: Devin Harris (0 career minutes played for the Wizards)

Talented/physically-gifted players with an approach to the game that renders their talent and physical gifts completely useless: Nick Young, JaVale McGee, Andray Blatche

Serviceable Bench Bodies: Shelvin Mack (released by EG well before he got into this grouping), Kevin Seraphin, Jordan Clarkson (0 career minutes played for the Wizards. EG traded him for f---ing flash money for Ted Leonsis)

Guys who do not belong in the National Basketball Association: Peter John Ramos, Vladimir Veremeenko, Oleksiy Pecherov, Dominic McGuire, Bill Walker, Jermaine Taylor, Nemanja Bjelica, Lazar Hayward, Chris Singleton, Jan Vesely, and Tomas Satoransky.

Sorry EG apologists, no amount of gift-wrap can make that list look like anything but an absolute dumpster fire. The best thing he's done outside the top 3 picks of the Draft in more than 10 years of running the team is Kevin Seraphin. There isn't another angle here. It's just bad.



:onfire: Whew, that was withering fire. Before Abe, after Abe, isn't this^^ record all brain farts and bad luck?


I am no EG fan, but FWIW, jury remains out on Satoransky and Bjelica was just the Euroleague MVP. The fact that it has taken these guys so long to develop underscores the issue with drafting them though.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1692 » by queridiculo » Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:46 pm

What troubles me with Satoransky in particular is the lack of clear strategy concerning his future with the franchise.

Nemanja Bjelica was traded to the Timberwolves as part of a deal for Trevor Booker, not sure how he deserves any credit for that one, particularly with Booker no longer on the team.
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Post#1693 » by Ruzious » Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:51 pm

queridiculo wrote:What troubles me with Satoransky in particular is the lack of clear strategy concerning his future with the franchise.

It might be that the Wiz have a strategy that they haven't shared because they don't want to show their cards. As long as he signs with them next offseason, I'm fine with the fact that his game and body have developed without the Wiz paying for it.
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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1694 » by dckingsfan » Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:53 pm

queridiculo wrote:What troubles me with Satoransky in particular is the lack of clear strategy concerning his future with the franchise.

Nemanja Bjelica was traded to the Timberwolves as part of a deal for Trevor Booker, not sure how he deserves any credit for that one, particularly with Booker no longer on the team.


Yeah, that stunk - he could have been a decent S4 for us... I am guessing with will trade Sat for pennies on the dollar too.
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Post#1695 » by closg00 » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:38 am

Randy Wittman says the Wizards need a better stretch 4

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/06/29/true-story-randy-wittman-says-the-wizards-need-to-improve-at-the-stretch-4/

For the past 4-5 drafts at-least we have kicked around the names of potential stretch-4 candidates, I'm glad this Aaron White kid might fit the bill in the future.
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Post#1696 » by hands11 » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:06 pm

So no word on EG getting an extension or having another option on that last contract but he is still there after his contract was said to have already expired.

I find it curious that there is no news on this. Last year they just quietly slipped in that Ted had an option year on the last contract. This year, we haven't even heard that.
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Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1697 » by closg00 » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:55 pm

hands11 wrote:So no word on EG getting an extension or having another option on that last contract but he is still there after his contract was said to have already expired.

I find it curious that there is no news on this. Last year they just quietly slipped in that Ted had an option year on the last contract. This year, we haven't even heard that.


The extension was probably done quietly. It will come-out when one of the writers finally asks if they haven't already.


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Re: Countdown to Ernie Grunfeld Firing (Part 2) 

Post#1698 » by FAH1223 » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:57 pm

hands11 wrote:So no word on EG getting an extension or having another option on that last contract but he is still there after his contract was said to have already expired.

I find it curious that there is no news on this. Last year they just quietly slipped in that Ted had an option year on the last contract. This year, we haven't even heard that.


its disgusting

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Post#1699 » by Jay81 » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:04 pm

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Post#1700 » by doclinkin » Thu Jul 2, 2015 2:39 am

Oh what the hell, bump this in the name of The Truth.

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