Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII

[dlts20]

every story Ive read says that Thompson is apart of Lebron's managment team or something under Maverick so I doubt Lebron would want him gone if he came there

[gambitx777]

Bigs are too valuable right now, I doubt Thompson goes anywhere, for now. We might be able to steal some of the lower level guys on their team though, Such as Dellavedova, felix, Gee, Karasev or maybe even Bennet?

[hands11]

Now that's an interesting idea. The problem would be that LAC already lost Collison, so they'd have no backup guards after that deal.

Maybe expand it to Ariza+Miller for Crawford+Dudley?

That would be a great deal for us. Miller is just what they need off the bench and Ariza would start for them.

Good deal, but who then would back up Wall? Miller's maybe Wall's best backup since he got here.

Exactly. Its been forever since we had two viable PGs. That would be terrible if they changed that. And Miller is on a one year deal that is cap friendly because it expires next year.

That said, I was interesting in getting J Jack back from them. He never fit there as well as he did in GS the year before. But Professor is part of the team culture and real important to Wall as a mentor. And Miller ranks much higher then Jack in RPM.

I would rather keep Miller. He fits here. Problem next year will be finding another player that fits as well as he does.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Could we get Marcus Thornton plus a Cleveland 1st in a three way with Brooklyn?

Then sign Ariza with Bird rights?

Wall/ Miller
Beal/Thornton
Ariza/Otto
Nene/humpries
Gortat/gooden

[LyricalRico]

Could we get Marcus Thornton plus a Cleveland 1st in a three way with Brooklyn?

Then sign Ariza with Bird rights?

Unfortunately, no. We'd have to renounce Ariza's bird rights in order to have the cap space to absorb Thornton.

[dlts20]

no thanks to Thorton. He can light it up but I dont want those type of high volume chuckers on my team. We are building a great passing team so I dont want anyone coming in to hog it up

[gambitx777]

I think the point of taking Thornton would be that his deal is up at the end of the year. not really because we want him on the team. Plus he is at least a decent trade chip.

[verbal8]

Could we get Marcus Thornton plus a Cleveland 1st in a three way with Brooklyn?

Then sign Ariza with Bird rights?

Unfortunately, no. We'd have to renounce Ariza's bird rights in order to have the cap space to absorb Thornton.

I don't think the Wizards would still have enough cap space renouncing Ariza, Booker and Seraphin. Acquiring Thornton and a pick could be a good use of the TPE if Ariza is sent out in a S&T.

If Thornton the player isn't a good fit, he could always be bought out.

[LyricalRico]

Could we get Marcus Thornton plus a Cleveland 1st in a three way with Brooklyn?

Then sign Ariza with Bird rights?

Unfortunately, no. We'd have to renounce Ariza's bird rights in order to have the cap space to absorb Thornton.

I don't think the Wizards would still have enough cap space renouncing Ariza, Booker and Seraphin. Acquiring Thornton and a pick could be a good use of the TPE if Ariza is sent out in a S&T.

If Thornton the player isn't a good fit, he could always be bought out.

Ah, now that's a thought - if Ariza leaves, make it a S&T and then use the TPE in a BOYD trade.

(Is that enough acronyms? )

Actually, if he chooses the Cavs, we could even make it a 3-way:

Ariza to Cleveland
Jack to Brooklyn
Thornton+pick to Washington

Then we'd still have the MLE to add more pieces. Not a bad plan if Ariza gets a huge offer from the Cavs.

[nate33]

Could we get Marcus Thornton plus a Cleveland 1st in a three way with Brooklyn?

Then sign Ariza with Bird rights?

Unfortunately, no. We'd have to renounce Ariza's bird rights in order to have the cap space to absorb Thornton.

We wouldn't have room even if we announced his rights. We pretty much ran out of cap space once we signed Gortat. (We have a little cap room, but it's less than the MLE so it's better to just use the MLE.)

[verbal8]

Unfortunately, no. We'd have to renounce Ariza's bird rights in order to have the cap space to absorb Thornton.

I don't think the Wizards would still have enough cap space renouncing Ariza, Booker and Seraphin. Acquiring Thornton and a pick could be a good use of the TPE if Ariza is sent out in a S&T.

If Thornton the player isn't a good fit, he could always be bought out.

Ah, now that's a thought - if Ariza leaves, make it a S&T and then use the TPE in a BOYD trade.

(Is that enough acronyms? )

Actually, if he chooses the Cavs, we could even make it a 3-way:

Ariza to Cleveland
Jack to Brooklyn
Thornton+pick to Washington

Then we'd still have the MLE to add more pieces. Not a bad plan if Ariza gets a huge offer from the Cavs.

Ariza isn't the SF they would be trying to create cap space for But that deal still isn't a bad idea. A big improvement in fit, production and even age for the Cavs. Turning a useless player into a replacement for Livingston for the Nets and getting a future asset for the Wizards.

[gambitx777]

I'm thinking we make a move for Monroe, sign and trade Ariza, and Kevin to them, with some future assets, a first and a second and the rights to Thomas, and get Monroe in return. Maybe toss in a Web for jerebko swap. It would not be a horrible trade for them, and it can save them from having to match a max offer sheet by someone else, and keeping a player they don't really want, or letting him walk for free.
Or if Ariza does not want to go there,
maybe they would bite on NENE, kevin, 2 firsts and second or a first and 2 seconds, and Thomas for Monroe and Jerebko. this would help them keep flexibility for 2016 and NENE is a good vet for their locker room.

[payitforward]

The Wizards FO thinks we have a good team, and that we can repeat or improve on last year's results if we just bring back the whole team. With Gortat back, re-signing Trevor Ariza seems essential to making this "bring em back and build on it" strategy work. In fact, losing him might doom that strategy.

To get where we are, we've mortgaged our future to some degree -- we gave a R1 to get Gortat, a R2 to get Miller, we have limited cap room, and by achieving moderate success we've ruled out getting very high draft picks any time soon.

So, to me at least, if Ariza doesn't come back, we should think about player acquisition differently: we have to try to acquire future assets -- young players, picks and cap room -- and basically be willing to accept that the coming season will see a step back in results.

Might not turn out that way -- but w/o Ariza it's what looks most likely. I hope we get him back, as I don't see any likely replacements out there, guys who'd have the effect on wins he has had for us.

[fishercob]

The Wizards FO thinks we have a good team, and that we can repeat or improve on last year's results if we just bring back the whole team. With Gortat back, re-signing Trevor Ariza seems essential to making this "bring em back and build on it" strategy work. In fact, losing him might doom that strategy.

To get where we are, we've mortgaged our future to some degree -- we gave a R1 to get Gortat, a R2 to get Miller, we have limited cap room, and by achieving moderate success we've ruled out getting very high draft picks any time soon.

So, to me at least, if Ariza doesn't come back, we should think about player acquisition differently: we have to try to acquire future assets -- young players, picks and cap room -- and basically be willing to accept that the coming season will see a step back in results.

Might not turn out that way -- but w/o Ariza it's what looks most likely. I hope we get him back, as I don't see any likely replacements out there, guys who'd have the effect on wins he has had for us.

Put differently, the Wiz appear to have put themselves into a position where they HAVE to get Ariza back. That's the folly of the whole strategy.

[thinker07]

I think the problem with losing Ariza is that the Wiz would have only the MLE to attract a stopgap SF. That leaves them with much less to attract a PF. That's what makes a S&T with Ariza more attractive if we can get a decent PF for him.

[Dark Faze]

so apparently Jamal Crawford is mad at the FO or something

Ariza for JC seems perfect for us...2 year deal on 5 million PER

sign and trade? then sign Hill

Wall/Dre
Beal/Crawford
Porter/Rice Jr/Web
Nene/Gooden
Gortat/Hill

pls

[LyricalRico]

so apparently Jamal Crawford is mad at the FO or something

Ariza for JC seems perfect for us...2 year deal on 5 million PER

Yep, we discussed this a few pages ago. Surprisingly, most here didn't like it. But what's not to like? We'd be adding an 18ppg scorer who just won 6th man of the year can play with either Wall or Beal.

Of course, he'd have the same issue here as he has in LAC - he feels that he's underpaid and wants an extension that also ups his salary (sort of like what we did with Blatche a few years ago). Seems like that's tough to do:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q60

[Dark Faze]

he's underpaid for what he brings to the table but thats what he gets for signing long term deals at that type of salary

[payitforward]

so apparently Jamal Crawford is mad at the FO or something

Ariza for JC seems perfect for us...2 year deal on 5 million PER

Yep, we discussed this a few pages ago. Surprisingly, most here didn't like it. But what's not to like? We'd be adding an 18ppg scorer who just won 6th man of the year can play with either Wall or Beal.

Of course, he'd have the same issue here as he has in LAC - he feels that he's underpaid and wants an extension that also ups his salary (sort of like what we did with Blatche a few years ago). Seems like that's tough to do:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q60

Jamal Crawford is fun to watch when he's on, but he is not a big contributor to wins for the Clippers, and he wouldn't be for us. He is an efficient scorer, yes, that's what he does well. But he really does nothing much else well other than that. So, if that's what you need -- you better have studs at the other stuff on your squad.

Even with that, last year at least, Ariza was even more efficient as a scorer, more efficient than Crawford and the best of his career. And he's had several other years where he posted an outstanding TS%. In everything else an NBA player has to do on the court, Ariza is much much better than Jamal Crawford. Younger too.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

So dang frustrating. Best draft in a decade and we don't make a pick. Teams every where fire saling their players and we have no cap room to pick up BOYDs.

Don't know how many times we need to scream it from the rooftops, but HOW DOES THIS CLOWN STILL HAVE HIS JOB?