Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII

[dobrojim]

I hate watching Nick Young play almost as much as I hate watching JR Smith play.

Yup. Fans love them when they're hot, but you don't win with 1 dimensional players like them.

still laughing inside when I think about that recent vid of NY turning and throwing his hands up
trying to be Gil. Then the shot rims out. I hope Shaqtin a fool got that one.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Getting the 7th and 8th seeds in this conference is basically just an acknowledgement that you weren't tanking at this point. We're not even close to sniffing the Gil/Caron/Twan teams' jockstrap right now.

Huh, you realize the trio of Gil/Caron/Twan won 42, 41 & 43 games and 43 win season was basically without Gil. I'm pretty sure this current team would match up with that one pretty well. Wall would destroy that team pretty easily because the only guy that played any defense, Brendan Haywood, typically got like 20 minutes a night. Wall would live in the paint, especially if Antawn, Etan & Michael Ruffin are your main defenders most of the night.

I agree about the not tanking part but frankly this team compares very well to those prime Arenas years (which were basically wasted IMO under Eddie & Ernie) is arguably better. But to be honest that isn't saying much. It's basically comparing one mediocre team to another.

I think this team is more talented. Ariza is a two-way player. Gortat and Nene both compete at both ends of the court. Butler and Jamison gave up rebounds and points when they weren't torching opponents. They wouldn't dominate this team. In fact, guys like Gooden, Booker, and even Seraphin would have scored and or rebounded; not to mention Gortat and Nene.

This team IMO has MUCH MORE TALENT but they have young Gs and are somewhat rudder-less when Wall is not on point. Wall and Beal dominate the ball and often play like young guys--that's the difference. Gilbert generally destroyed his matchup. The old teams under EJ won by FTs and star calls, as well as by hitting clutch shots.

I believe EJ, with this team full of guys who know how to defend, would have won about 50 games.

[Nivek]

Minutes weighted average PPA for this year's Wizards: 107. Minutes weighted average for the 2005-06 Wizards: 106. If I exclude Vesely and Maynor from the matchup, this season's Wizards rise to a 109. Grunfeld can build himself some mediocrity.

If I assign minutes by likely playoff rotations, this year's team pulls ahead -- their playoff rotation rates a 122; the 05-06 Wizards rates a 112.

That 05-06 roster is bad. Yeesh. Arenas played 42 minutes a night; Jamison played 40. Wall this season is tops on the Wizards at 36.6 -- Butler (3rd highest MPG in 05-06) was at 36.1. The bench was a joke after Daniels and maybe Thomas.

[Hidden Eye]

How does Love's offense not overcome his defensive ability (which has improved over his career btw.)?

Love's become one of the more dangerous post players in the NBA. He's not just a jump shooter.

http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/playe ... 3-2014-REG

He still can't play Defense and that's one decent year he had.. He isn't winning games for the Twolves. Signing him would be a huge risk. How many games would he miss.. that would be a lot.

Yeah, he's been so injury-prone this season that he's only played 72 games and barely averaged over 36 minutes a game.

And he still can't play Defense his offensive game isn't a game changer.. i'm sure the Wizards want to sign another PF

[verbal8]

He still can't play Defense and that's one decent year he had.. He isn't winning games for the Twolves. Signing him would be a huge risk. How many games would he miss.. that would be a lot.

Yeah, he's been so injury-prone this season that he's only played 72 games and barely averaged over 36 minutes a game.

And he still can't play Defense his offensive game isn't a game changer.. i'm sure the Wizards want to sign another PF

Isn't a game changer offensively? Of above average usage players with over 1000 minutes played he is tied for 4th(with Dirk and Dragic). in Offensive rating. His usage and Offensive rating are close to Dirk and Harden.

Only Durant and Lebron have a clear argument of being more productive players offensively. Maybe a case could be made for Paul. Anyone else who is possibly better offensively, the gap is pretty close.

http://bkref.com/tiny/R8eMC

[dobrojim]

his rebounding consistency and outlet passing would both be welcome
additions to this team. And if you like or put much weight on dub-dubs,
he's best in the league by a good margin in that category. He has 62
in 74 games played.

[TGW]

Are there folks really questioning Kevin Love's ability? That dude would instantly be the best player on this team by a good margin. Sheesh.

[hands11]

Nick young was my favorite player along with wall back then...He's streaky but when he's on he's on...
I See Tht In Rice jr...Wished Him AND Porter Came Off The Bench Together...

Il trade nene with the quickness for anything, if he's was healthy we'll probably be the 3rd seed instead we might be the 7th...

[hands11]

Getting the 7th and 8th seeds in this conference is basically just an acknowledgement that you weren't tanking at this point. We're not even close to sniffing the Gil/Caron/Twan teams' jockstrap right now.

Huh, you realize the trio of Gil/Caron/Twan won 42, 41 & 43 games and 43 win season was basically without Gil. I'm pretty sure this current team would match up with that one pretty well. Wall would destroy that team pretty easily because the only guy that played any defense, Brendan Haywood, typically got like 20 minutes a night. Wall would live in the paint, especially if Antawn, Etan & Michael Ruffin are your main defenders most of the night.

I agree about the not tanking part but frankly this team compares very well to those prime Arenas years (which were basically wasted IMO under Eddie & Ernie) is arguably better. But to be honest that isn't saying much. It's basically comparing one mediocre team to another.

I think this team is more talented. Ariza is a two-way player. Gortat and Nene both compete at both ends of the court. Butler and Jamison gave up rebounds and points when they weren't torching opponents. They wouldn't dominate this team. In fact, guys like Gooden, Booker, and even Seraphin would have scored and or rebounded; not to mention Gortat and Nene.

This team IMO has MUCH MORE TALENT but they have young Gs and are somewhat rudder-less when Wall is not on point. Wall and Beal dominate the ball and often play like young guys--that's the difference. Gilbert generally destroyed his matchup. The old teams under EJ won by FTs and star calls, as well as by hitting clutch shots.

I believe EJ, with this team full of guys who know how to defend, would have won about 50 games.

If there is one good thing Wittman does, its that he keeps the focus on D. Two weeks under EFJ and this team would be a terrible defensive team. I don't EFJ as an upgrade over Wit. Actually, I would would it a downgrade. But about this. How about neither and we get a legit HC.

[deneem4]

Nick young was my favorite player along with wall back then...He's streaky but when he's on he's on...
I See Tht In Rice jr...Wished Him AND Porter Came Off The Bench Together...

Il trade nene with the quickness for anything, if he's was healthy we'll probably be the 3rd seed instead we might be the 7th...

Because we all know he will never be healthy for a full season...we been dealing with this in and out since his 1st full yr here...

N the difference in the east 3rd- 7th seeds is 6games...so yea I think a healthy starting pf could've been a 6 game difference for us

[nuposse04]

I'm hoping Webster has a good playoffs so we may be able to package him and send em elsewhere.

Booker+Webster to Mem for Davis+filler in a sign and trade.

[Youheardme90]

Huh, you realize the trio of Gil/Caron/Twan won 42, 41 & 43 games and 43 win season was basically without Gil. I'm pretty sure this current team would match up with that one pretty well. Wall would destroy that team pretty easily because the only guy that played any defense, Brendan Haywood, typically got like 20 minutes a night. Wall would live in the paint, especially if Antawn, Etan & Michael Ruffin are your main defenders most of the night.

I agree about the not tanking part but frankly this team compares very well to those prime Arenas years (which were basically wasted IMO under Eddie & Ernie) is arguably better. But to be honest that isn't saying much. It's basically comparing one mediocre team to another.

I think this team is more talented. Ariza is a two-way player. Gortat and Nene both compete at both ends of the court. Butler and Jamison gave up rebounds and points when they weren't torching opponents. They wouldn't dominate this team. In fact, guys like Gooden, Booker, and even Seraphin would have scored and or rebounded; not to mention Gortat and Nene.

This team IMO has MUCH MORE TALENT but they have young Gs and are somewhat rudder-less when Wall is not on point. Wall and Beal dominate the ball and often play like young guys--that's the difference. Gilbert generally destroyed his matchup. The old teams under EJ won by FTs and star calls, as well as by hitting clutch shots.

I believe EJ, with this team full of guys who know how to defend, would have won about 50 games.

If there is one good thing Wittman does, its that he keeps the focus on D. Two weeks under EFJ and this team would be a terrible defensive team. I don't EFJ as an upgrade over Wit. Actually, I would would it a downgrade. But about this. How about neither and we get a legit HC.

Jerry Sloan maybe?

[dangermouse]

If Grunfeld hired Sloan i would forgive him for everything

[Hypnotizer]

I'll take short contract filler centers--Hill, Okafor, Dalembert, etc over extending Gortat. He's simply not that good.

Plus-minus Dud: Jordan Hill (LAL) was a minus-51 in three games last week.

[Dark Faze]

I'll take short contract filler centers--Hill, Okafor, Dalembert, etc over extending Gortat. He's simply not that good.

Plus-minus Dud: Jordan Hill (LAL) was a minus-51 in three games last week.

He plays for a tanking team, of course he's going to have bad +/- stats.

He is averaging 16, 10, and 2 in just 30 mpg in the month of April though.

I want to make it clear I don't like him as the only replacement of Gortat. Injury history is concerning with Hill. But getting Hill and a very good backup C would be better for our long term outlook in combination with potentially being better in the short term. Advanced stats say Hill is the better player at the moment.

[gesa2]

Could we have created cap room to sign Greg Smith? Feels like a missed opportunity letting the Bulls get him.

[verbal8]

Could we have created cap room to sign Greg Smith? Feels like a missed opportunity letting the Bulls get him.

They would have had to waive a player, but it would have been possible. Since it looks like his salary would be pro-rated, the Wizards could still be just under the luxury tax level.

[payitforward]

Could we have created cap room to sign Greg Smith? Feels like a missed opportunity letting the Bulls get him.

Agreed -- I was shocked that Houston let him go. He just turned 23. A better player than e.g. Kevin Seraphin in just about every way.

[montestewart]

Could we have created cap room to sign Greg Smith? Feels like a missed opportunity letting the Bulls get him.

Agreed -- I was shocked that Houston let him go. He just turned 23. A better player than e.g. Kevin Seraphin in just about every way.

I was thinking the same thing as soon as it happened, but I'm just a little too tired of getting bent out of shape over these things. The Wizards are like an alcoholic parent that I'm relatively powerless to change. The thought process now is usually, "It'd be nice if the Wizards could [fill in the blank], but nah, it'll probably never happen," and on to the next, trying to conserve a sufficient reserve of hysteria for the REALLY BIG BLUNDER.

[montestewart]

If Grunfeld hired Sloan i would forgive him for everything

Me too. Wait, he's still going to fire himself, right?