2014-2015 Depth Chart Thread.....

MikeTheKid · Post #1 » by **MikeTheKid** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 7:31 pm

Since Ernie has made a ton of moves in the last 5 days I figured I why not start the thread up. To start the season Im predicting......

PG: Wall (36)/Miller (12)
SG: Beal (36)/Rice (12)
SF: Pierce (24)/Porter (20)/Rice (4)
PF: Hump (18)/Nene (20)/Pierce (4)/Gooden (4)
C: Gortat (36)/Nene (6)/Hump (6)

Spot Mins: Temple, Seraphin (If resigned)
Injured: Webster

Hopefully the PF position stays balanced to give Nene plenty of rest and hopefully Pierce gets time at Stretch 4.

*Mods if you want to keep the one from last season open you can move this one

deneem4 · Post #2 » by **deneem4** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:36 pm

Nene will not play center.don't even give him tht idea or he will fake injured..
I see 24 mins at pf for nene and that's it...
Nene (24) hump (12) pierce (6) gooden (6)
gortat (30) hump (8) gooden (10)

We have depth to let the bigs rest...Remember gortat is on a 5 yr deal I don't wan him to get more than 32 min max, he's not a drummond, he's not that much of an upgrade over our other bigs

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #3 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:40 pm

Is there any way we could rescind the QO and get Seraphin more cheaply?

I haven't given up on him... I think Randy's bullying has held him back. I'd love to see us round out the offseason with one situational rim protecting big (Okafor if healthy or someone like Brendan Haywood) and one young big to develop (I still see Seraphin as potentially that guy).

J-Ves · Post #4 » by **J-Ves** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:47 pm

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:Is there any way we could rescind the QO and get Seraphin more cheaply?

I haven't given up on him... I think Randy's bullying has held him back. I'd love to see us round out the offseason with one situational rim protecting big (Okafor if healthy or someone like Brendan Haywood) and one young big to develop (I still see Seraphin as potentially that guy).

They don't have to rescind the QO, just negotiate a 2 year deal. Something like 2ys/5.5M, maybe make the second year partially guaranteed. This is assuming there's little or no interest around the league, if he gets a good offer somewhere else just let him walk.

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fishercob · Post #5 » by **fishercob** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:51 pm

You don't pay Andre Miller $4.6M to play 12 mpg. I think he gets closer to 18-20, and that you'll see him share the floor with Wall some.

Post #6 » by **Rafael122** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:15 pm

Ideal scenario is to keep Wall and Beal between 32-34 minutes. If you want Rice to develop, he's gonna need minutes and I'd argue he should play some alongside Wall.

Footstompshonie · Post #7 » by **Footstompshonie** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:21 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Ideal scenario is to keep Wall and Beal between 32-34 minutes. If you want Rice to develop, he's gonna need minutes and I'd argue he should play some alongside Wall.

Totally agree with this. No need to be pushing these guys with tons of minutes. Though I think Wall is gonna stay 36+

But, I'm high on Rice and not so much on Porter, so like you said I'd like Glen to take a few more of Beal's minutes and I think through the course of the season he'll take a few of Porter's minutes at the 3 as well.

deneem4 · Post #8 » by **deneem4** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:33 pm

Make room for ray allen...i got a feeling he's coming here

80sballboy · Post #9 » by **80sballboy** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:43 pm

deneem4 wrote:Make room for ray allen...i got a feeling he's coming here

That would be nice but I'm guessing he and Pierce are not on speaking terms. :roll:

80sballboy · Post #10 » by **80sballboy** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:46 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Ideal scenario is to keep Wall and Beal between 32-34 minutes. If you want Rice to develop, he's gonna need minutes and I'd argue he should play some alongside Wall.

Chris Paul averages 36 minutes throughout his career. No way Wall plays less than 35mpg. I'm more worried about Beal's minutes who averaged 42mpg in the postseason and 34.5 mpg in the regular season only because he was on a minutes restriction after his injury.

Post #11 » by **Rafael122** » Tue Jul 15, 2014 9:48 pm

80sballboy wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:Ideal scenario is to keep Wall and Beal between 32-34 minutes. If you want Rice to develop, he's gonna need minutes and I'd argue he should play some alongside Wall.

Chris Paul averages 36 minutes throughout his career. No way Wall plays less than 35mpg. I'm more worried about Beal's minutes who averaged 42mpg in the postseason and 34.5 mpg in the regular season only because he was on a minutes restriction after his injury.

Yeah and Paul seems to suffer from nagging injuries every year now.

Like I said in another thread, there's no need to run these guys into the ground. Wall almost broke his knee cap. Keep them fresh and if you need to play them more minutes, do so when needed.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #12 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:32 am

I think we'll start the year off with Pierce and Nene as the starting forwards and go with a ten man rotation that mass subs in the second line of Miller, GRJr, Porter, Humphries, and Gooden.

When Webster returns from injury, it probably hurts GRJr the most unfortunately. Hopefully it won't knock Otto our of our rotations.

Post #13 » by **nate33** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:47 am

The rotation looks great if one of Porter or Rice emerges as a legit full time starting player who plays above-average defense every night (or if Webster recovers strongly from back surgery. But if that doesn't happen, the team looks a bit weak at SF, particularly defensively. Hopefully, they can more or less maintain last season's level of play thanks to their significantly improved bench. Gotta hope the wheels don't come off of Miller though. And Beal needs to stay healthy while Webster is out.

jangles86 · Post #14 » by **jangles86** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:01 am

Wow, if we ever see a Miller, Webster, Pierce, Nene, Gortat lineup that could quite possibly be the
Slowest line up ever in the nba

doclinkin · Post #15 » by **doclinkin** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:53 am

I'm rooting for Porter to seize the 3spot sooner over later. Else Wall better improve his jumper and half court attack. I like that we added pierce but PP + Hump replacing Booker and Ariza takes a away one of Walls weapons: team speed and overall athleticism.

I agree with the sentiment that Pierce at 4 helps spread the floor and add playmaking, but I don't trust Witt to get all that creative. When in doubt he will go AARP and slow it all down with the veterans he can trust. Now I hope some part of his mandate is youth development prioritized over cheap wins now that he has some breathing room. But we got older, slower, more half court, less defensively able and versatile, and traded some of Walls transition attack for Pierce's playmaking.

There are elements of this that I like though. Mad scientist schemes I could play with.

Occasional use of Hump next to Nene on D allows the Brazilian to challenge the P&R while KH can crash the board. And their similar ranged game can allow John a few pick roll pick pop options.

I like the savvy crafty vet 2nd unit if Porter can take a starting spot (and develop that chemistry with Wall and Beal, our long term hope).

Professor
GRjr/Beal
Truth
Gooden
Nene. (Or Gortat. Or Hump)

That line can score from range (mid and out) at 4 spots and leaves room for Dre and Pierce to back down their matchup, Rice to attack, etc. Versatile offensively even if challenged defensively.

Ideally we want to be able to run with
Wall
Beal
Otto
Nene
Gortat

So that Nene's playmaking and defense can help mentor Otto in a starting role (and he can play pf the way he prefers, so he won't get 'injured'). Let the other vets carry GRjr in the 2nd unit so we have hi BBIQ on the floor at all times.

We still need to draft Nene's successor though, we still rely heavily on him for success since his defense is key. Hump cheats defensive principles in favor of rebounding and lacks foot speed or length to challenge and recover on the perimeter. Not a fan of the back step we took on D, though the offense will be satisfying.

dobrojim · Post #16 » by **dobrojim** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:37 pm

fishercob wrote:You don't pay Andre Miller $4.6M to play 12 mpg. I think he gets closer to 18-20, and that you'll see him share the floor with Wall some.

agreed

I'd also expect Gooden to play more than 6 mpg. I'm really pleased it is now official
that he's coming back. I like his swag. I like that we added 2 guys who can board
some, Gooden (for a full season hopefully) and Hump. They're kinda similar
in having decent shooting touch and being capable of being a force on the glass.

fishercob · Post #17 » by **fishercob** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 6:54 pm

Care to take another stab at this with Dejuan Blair now in the mix too?

MikeTheKid · Post #18 » by **MikeTheKid** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:01 pm

fishercob wrote:Care to take another stab at this with Dejuan Blair now in the mix too?

Jeebus Nene is probably only going to play 18-20mpg but its not just me others give input too

Severn Hoos · Post #19 » by **Severn Hoos** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:06 pm

MikeTheKid wrote:
fishercob wrote:Care to take another stab at this with Dejuan Blair now in the mix too?

Jeebus Nene is probably only going to play 18-20mpg but its not just me others give input too

Yep - 41 games @ 36 minutes, and 41 games @ 0 minutes. Doesn't that average 18 minutes per game?

closg00 · Post #20 » by **closg00** » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:15 pm

MikeTheKid wrote:Since Ernie has made a ton of moves in the last 5 days I figured I why not start the thread up. To start the season Im predicting......

PG: Wall (36)/Miller (12)
SG: Beal (36)/Rice (12)
SF: Pierce (24)/Porter (20)/Rice (4)
PF: Hump (18)/Nene (20)/Pierce (4)/Gooden (4)
C: Gortat (36)/Nene (6)/Hump (6)

Spot Mins: Temple, Seraphin (If resigned)
Injured: Webster

Hopefully the PF position stays balanced to give Nene plenty of rest and hopefully Pierce gets time at Stretch
4.

*Mods if you want to keep the one from last season open you can move this one

Seraphin out, Blair in, our Front court has been reloaded.