montestewart wrote:Mmm, Bulter
Ha! Bulter.
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montestewart wrote:Mmm, Bulter
hands11 wrote:hands11 wrote:long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
I'm guessing you wrote this before that utterly putrid second half.
LOL
I did.
Neither has played well for a entire game.
Wait. I meant John Lucas III
Oh I give up.
payitforward wrote:hands11 wrote:hands11 wrote:
LOL
I did.
Neither has played well for a entire game.
Wait. I meant John Lucas III
Oh I give up.
That'll be the day! (and don't!).
Nivek wrote:Congrats to Butler on making the roster. He was bad last season and played poorly in the preseason. Might be this year's Al Harrington. Healthier, though not much more productive, probably.
closg00 wrote:Perhaps we have our new Maynor. "Never take a chance on a youngish player" is an EG modus operandi
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montestewart wrote:closg00 wrote:Perhaps we have our new Maynor. "Never take a chance on a youngish player" is an EG modus operandi
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EG has repeatedly grabbed PGs who are one or more of the following: lousy, old, injured, psychotic, or not really even PGs. With that track record and Miller still on the roster, I can see why he's delaying the inevitable, but at some point he's going to need to get a quality (and preferably youngish) backup PG or big minutes combo guard.
hands11 wrote:Youngish... why ?
With
Wall 24
Beal 21
Otto 21
GR 23
Why do we need to add youngish guards. We have young guards and a young SF. What they need is the best, consistent production playoff experienced players to compliments that group so they can go deeper in the playoffs right now.
And they have young front court players as well. They have Kevin S and D Blair. Problem is, Blair has old knees. Thats where they could upgrade. Young players better then those two. Khem B or Ed Davis would have been nice compliment pieces. But they are only that. Compliment pieces. For the team to get better, you would need better elite starters up front and they are hard to come by.
When A Miller is done, his replacement doesn't have to be a youngish player. Younger then A Miller was when we got him would be nice but not required. A Miller has been a great fit.
Young and inexperienced will matter less as Wall, Beal and Otto gain that playoff experience themselves. Wall and Beal should have two years of that after this year and Otto should get his first year this year. Once Wall and Beal have 3 years playoff experience each, then they can be less worried about focusing on adding older vets.
Right now, adding these older support pieces isn't an issue. Its actually pretty smart. Just as long as the contracts work in the grand scheme.
Nivek wrote:Congrats to Butler on making the roster. He was bad last season and played poorly in the preseason. Might be this year's Al Harrington. Healthier, though not much more productive, probably.
Nivek wrote:Congrats to Butler on making the roster. He was bad last season and played poorly in the preseason. Might be this year's Al Harrington. Healthier, though not much more productive, probably.
FAH1223 wrote:hands11 wrote:Youngish... why ?
With
Wall 24
Beal 21
Otto 21
GR 23
Why do we need to add youngish guards. We have young guards and a young SF. What they need is the best, consistent production playoff experienced players to compliments that group so they can go deeper in the playoffs right now.
And they have young front court players as well. They have Kevin S and D Blair. Problem is, Blair has old knees. Thats where they could upgrade. Young players better then those two. Khem B or Ed Davis would have been nice compliment pieces. But they are only that. Compliment pieces. For the team to get better, you would need better elite starters up front and they are hard to come by.
When A Miller is done, his replacement doesn't have to be a youngish player. Younger then A Miller was when we got him would be nice but not required. A Miller has been a great fit.
Young and inexperienced will matter less as Wall, Beal and Otto gain that playoff experience themselves. Wall and Beal should have two years of that after this year and Otto should get his first year this year. Once Wall and Beal have 3 years playoff experience each, then they can be less worried about focusing on adding older vets.
Right now, adding these older support pieces isn't an issue. Its actually pretty smart. Just as long as the contracts work in the grand scheme.
Andre Miller is an exception. He's one of the most durable players in NBA history. One of the top assist men in NBA history. He's a true PG.
However, he lacks range on his shot and his defense isn't good at this point in his career.
Finding a youngish PG who can slide over to the two would add another dimension to the bench, hopefully next year.
Having a guy who can score in bunches and facilitate while Wall rests.
hands11 wrote:FAH1223 wrote:hands11 wrote:Youngish... why ?
With
Wall 24
Beal 21
Otto 21
GR 23
Why do we need to add youngish guards. We have young guards and a young SF. What they need is the best, consistent production playoff experienced players to compliments that group so they can go deeper in the playoffs right now.
And they have young front court players as well. They have Kevin S and D Blair. Problem is, Blair has old knees. Thats where they could upgrade. Young players better then those two. Khem B or Ed Davis would have been nice compliment pieces. But they are only that. Compliment pieces. For the team to get better, you would need better elite starters up front and they are hard to come by.
When A Miller is done, his replacement doesn't have to be a youngish player. Younger then A Miller was when we got him would be nice but not required. A Miller has been a great fit.
Young and inexperienced will matter less as Wall, Beal and Otto gain that playoff experience themselves. Wall and Beal should have two years of that after this year and Otto should get his first year this year. Once Wall and Beal have 3 years playoff experience each, then they can be less worried about focusing on adding older vets.
Right now, adding these older support pieces isn't an issue. Its actually pretty smart. Just as long as the contracts work in the grand scheme.
Andre Miller is an exception. He's one of the most durable players in NBA history. One of the top assist men in NBA history. He's a true PG.
However, he lacks range on his shot and his defense isn't good at this point in his career.
Finding a youngish PG who can slide over to the two would add another dimension to the bench, hopefully next year.
Having a guy who can score in bunches and facilitate while Wall rests.
Actually, he is shocking good at defense. Specially given his age. I read from time to time that he isn't but watch him. He gets down and his arms out and is pretty disruptive. He moves smart and block angles and keeps his hands active. His arms are always out wide blocking as more area as possible.
.68 steams per 15 mins last year. Thats pretty good. And he is strong and will put a body on your and bump you off course.
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I like Ray McCallum of the Kings as a backup PG. A guy like him or Jordan Farmar would be very competitive, young enough and quick enough to start and not hurt the team in up tempo, transition play.
He wasn't a playmaker but I thought A.J. Price did a decent job a couple years back.
montestewart wrote:hands11 wrote:FAH1223 wrote:
Andre Miller is an exception. He's one of the most durable players in NBA history. One of the top assist men in NBA history. He's a true PG.
However, he lacks range on his shot and his defense isn't good at this point in his career.
Finding a youngish PG who can slide over to the two would add another dimension to the bench, hopefully next year.
Having a guy who can score in bunches and facilitate while Wall rests.
Actually, he is shocking good at defense. Specially given his age. I read from time to time that he isn't but watch him. He gets down and his arms out and is pretty disruptive. He moves smart and block angles and keeps his hands active. His arms are always out wide blocking as more area as possible.
.68 steams per 15 mins last year. Thats pretty good. And he is strong and will put a body on your and bump you off course.
Miller does alright on D for his age. I have no complaints about him, but at his age, he's not the future.
A veteran could be the answer in the backcourt. My preference for younger is tied to a lot of factors: durability, stamina, possibly lower price. It would be nice to see the Wizards develop some talent beyond their top draft picks (maybe Rice bucks that trend), but if they get a long-term answer at backup PG or combo guard who is durable, can run the offense, has a decent shot and decent D, doesn't cost too much or mess up long term cap plans, and is a veteran, I wouldn't complain. He should also be handsome, articulate, and able to make major contributions to Wizards marketing. Someone like Jeremy Lin could work. Let's get him.
hands11 wrote:Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I like Ray McCallum of the Kings as a backup PG. A guy like him or Jordan Farmar would be very competitive, young enough and quick enough to start and not hurt the team in up tempo, transition play.
He wasn't a playmaker but I thought A.J. Price did a decent job a couple years back.
Sure. That would be fine. But lets make no mistakes about it. If the Wizards are to be elite, a ton of that rides on Double B unless we pick up a player like KD.
Look at who wins titles. Its rarely because of an elite PG except Magic who was huge. Its much more often with an elite SG or SF type. MJ, Wade, Kobe, and now LeBron. Paul Pierce was even that type to a large degree.
I saw a post on the general board with a sig. It said.. Beal has Wade potential. Lets hope that is true. Because if he does, that would help us a ton.
The combination of Wall, Beal and Otto is interesting for sure. But for now, its Beal becoming elite that is most important. Lets hope Otto shows us a nice ceiling as well. Trevor A with handles is closer to Pippen then Webster.
Ruzious wrote:hands11 wrote:Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I like Ray McCallum of the Kings as a backup PG. A guy like him or Jordan Farmar would be very competitive, young enough and quick enough to start and not hurt the team in up tempo, transition play.
He wasn't a playmaker but I thought A.J. Price did a decent job a couple years back.
Sure. That would be fine. But lets make no mistakes about it. If the Wizards are to be elite, a ton of that rides on Double B unless we pick up a player like KD.
Look at who wins titles. Its rarely because of an elite PG except Magic who was huge. Its much more often with an elite SG or SF type. MJ, Wade, Kobe, and now LeBron. Paul Pierce was even that type to a large degree.
I saw a post on the general board with a sig. It said.. Beal has Wade potential. Lets hope that is true. Because if he does, that would help us a ton.
The combination of Wall, Beal and Otto is interesting for sure. But for now, its Beal becoming elite that is most important. Lets hope Otto shows us a nice ceiling as well. Trevor A with handles is closer to Pippen then Webster.
Was that by the same guy who said he married Morgan Fairchild? People say stuff - and sometimes stuff that isn't smart. That would fall under the not smart stuff category.