Otto Porter Part 2

tontoz · Post #981 » by **tontoz** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:18 pm

krii wrote:
tontoz wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:What is interesting is that Wall, Beal & Porter are all top 7 in RPM. My guess is that if that was a very accurate stat we would be an elite team?

What it means is that the rest of the team sucks. I am pretty sure those 3 are the only players on the team with a positive RPM.

Gortat has positive RPM for sure

Actually Gortat is at -1.11.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/RPM/position/9

tontoz · Post #982 » by **tontoz** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:21 pm

gtn130 wrote:
tontoz wrote:
nate33 wrote:Our starters are pretty damn good. But you make a fair point. RPM has limited utility with a sample size of just 1/3 of a season.

Does either of you think any of these 3 aren't top 7 at their position so far?

Zaza has the #3 RPM in the league for centers. RPM isn't completely worthless but it should be taken with context.

Zaza plays only 18 minutes per game so his sample size is a lot smaller than it is with our starters. The bigger the sample size the more reliable +/- is.

krii · Post #983 » by **krii** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:43 pm

tontoz wrote:
krii wrote:
tontoz wrote:
What it means is that the rest of the team sucks. I am pretty sure those 3 are the only players on the team with a positive RPM.

Gortat has positive RPM for sure

Actually Gortat is at -1.11.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/RPM/position/9

Oh, my bad. I checked BPM where he has 0,5. I would not call him a negative contributor though as basically every other stat prove so.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gortama01.html

Post #984 » by **nate33** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:51 pm

tontoz wrote:
nate33 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:What is interesting is that Wall, Beal & Porter are all top 7 in RPM. My guess is that if that was a very accurate stat we would be an elite team?

Our starters are pretty damn good. But you make a fair point. RPM has limited utility with a sample size of just 1/3 of a season.

Does either of you think any of these 3 aren't top 7 at their position so far?

They're all top 7 at their position.

tontoz · Post #985 » by **tontoz** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:53 pm

krii wrote:
tontoz wrote:
krii wrote:Gortat has positive RPM for sure

Actually Gortat is at -1.11.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/RPM/position/9

Oh, my bad. I checked BPM where he has 0,5. I would not call him a negative contributor though as basically every other stat prove so.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gortama01.html

I like Gortat. I happened to check his +/- awhile back so that is how I knew he was in the negative. It is his ORPM that is weak, maybe because he hasn't gotten as many touches as he did in previous seasons.

krii · Post #986 » by **krii** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:03 pm

tontoz wrote:
krii wrote:
tontoz wrote:

Actually Gortat is at -1.11.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/RPM/position/9

Oh, my bad. I checked BPM where he has 0,5. I would not call him a negative contributor though as basically every other stat prove so.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gortama01.html

I like Gortat. I happened to check his +/- awhile back so that is how I knew he was in the negative. It is his ORPM that is weak, maybe because he hasn't gotten as many touches as he did in previous seasons.

That's for sure. I believe that lower FT% and career-low (whilst starter) usage played a role in ORPM. He tends to play better after AS break and Wizards in general are playing better so those numbers should go up eventually.

Dat2U · Post #987 » by **Dat2U** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:24 pm

nate33 wrote:
tontoz wrote:
nate33 wrote:Our starters are pretty damn good. But you make a fair point. RPM has limited utility with a sample size of just 1/3 of a season.

Does either of you think any of these 3 aren't top 7 at their position so far?

They're all top 7 at their position.

Keep in mind that the backcourt of Thornton & Burke are two of the ten worst players in the league according to RPM.

So in essence we've got 3 very good starters, 2 below average starters and a gawd awful bench. Beal, Porter & Wall are the only players we have with a positive RPM. All other 12 players on the roster have a negative RPM.

I think Gortat should rate a little higher and Morris a little lower but for the most part I think RPM rates the Wizards correctly.

long suffrin' boulez fan · Post #988 » by **long suffrin' boulez fan** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:08 am

Dat2U wrote:
nate33 wrote:
tontoz wrote:

Does either of you think any of these 3 aren't top 7 at their position so far?

They're all top 7 at their position.

Keep in mind that the backcourt of Thornton & Burke are two of the ten worst players in the league according to RPM.

So in essence we've got 3 very good starters, 2 below average starters and a gawd awful bench. Beal, Porter & Wall are the only players we have with a positive RPM. All other 12 players on the roster have a negative RPM.

I think Gortat should rate a little higher and Morris a little lower but for the most part I think RPM rates the Wizards correctly.

Really depressing. Ernie's only three above average players were drafted top 3.

I gotta give him Oubre though. Eventually he'll be a consistent net positive.

jrob23 · Post #989 » by **jrob23** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:59 am

- trolling. deleted.

Wizardspride · Post #990 » by **Wizardspride** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:00 am

jrob23 wrote:- trolling. deleted.

Dude. Stop.

Please.... :nonono:

NatP4 · Post #991 » by **NatP4** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:06 am

jrob23 wrote:- trolling. deleted.

Is this a Celtic fan or what? Why are you here?

tontoz · Post #992 » by **tontoz** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:30 pm

jrob23 wrote:- trolling. deleted.

STFU idiot. The Wizards have the worst bench in the NBA and that is what is keeping them for winning. Not sure why i am explaining this since you are obviously too stupid to understand it.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #993 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:54 pm

Wizardspride wrote:
jrob23 wrote:- trolling. deleted.

Dude. Stop.

Please....

I'm sensing some of the Celtics organization and fans have an inferiority complex about Wall.

tontoz · Post #994 » by **tontoz** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:55 pm

Thanks nate

Wizardspride · Post #995 » by **Wizardspride** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:19 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:
jrob23 wrote:- trolling. deleted.

Dude. Stop.

Please....

I'm sensing some of the Celtics organization and fans have an inferiority complex about Wall.

I was thinking the same thing.

queridiculo · Post #996 » by **queridiculo** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:55 pm

Porter started the game en-fuego and then sort of disappeared. Did a heck of a job on defense, but I hate how this offense forgets Porter exists sometimes.

I'd much rather see Porter throw the ball up over 20 times than Morris, that's for damn sure.

krii · Post #997 » by **krii** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:13 pm

queridiculo wrote:Porter started the game en-fuego and then sort of disappeared. Did a heck of a job on defense, but I hate how this offense forgets Porter exists sometimes.

I'd much rather see Porter throw the ball up over 20 times than Morris, that's for damn sure.

I'd love to see Porter averaging 14-16 shots a game and Gortat averaging 12 shots per game. They are both over .500 so I guess it would lift Gortat's numbers to 14 ppg and Otto's to 18 ppg. -ish of course.

Instead we have Kieff's 9.3 attempts per game with .466 eFG% :|

keynote · Post #998 » by **keynote** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:08 am

Bleacher Report has Otto ranked as the sixth best SF in the league (behind George, Hayward, Butler, Leonard, and James).

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2683794-nba-player-power-rankings-brs-top-30-small-forwards-at-the-halfway-point/page/26

Shot creation might be the only weakness in Porter's overall profile. At this point, he sits between two tiers of small forwards. And he's closer to joining the elites ahead of him than the second-tier players below.

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gambitx777 · Post #999 » by **gambitx777** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:19 am

I mean max him, SVP said it best in this day in age you have to over pay for competency.

Post #1000 » by **nate33** » Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:58 pm

Porter now ranks 2nd in the league in ORtg (behind only Nikola Jokic, a 24 mpg center in Denver). Porter and Chris Paul are the only non-centers among the top 5 in ORtg.

Porter really needs to look for his offense more. It's ridiculous for a guy who shoots 61% from 2P range and 44% from 3P range to have a USG% of just 15.4. We've seen Porter hit that high-release midrange fadeaway jumper quite often when the shot clock is running out. Can't we get him that shot more often?

Porter shoots 55% from 10-15 feet, and 49% from 16-22 feet. As krii pointed out, that sure beats Morris launching midrange jumpers at a 35% clip.