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nate33 wrote:

gambitx777 wrote:

willbcocks wrote:Poole is terrible, even worse than expected. And I hated the trade and had low expectations in the first place.

We have to remember it's the best we could do with Beal **** us .

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What did Beal do wrong?

He tried to get paid as much money as he could. It's not his fault that our stupid management agreed to such a monstrous contract with a no trade clause. I don't blame Beal at all and wish him well.

payitforward wrote:

nate33 wrote:

gambitx777 wrote:We have to remember it's the best we could do with Beal **** us .

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What did Beal do wrong?

He tried to get paid as much money as he could. It's not his fault that our stupid management agreed to such a monstrous contract with a no trade clause. I don't blame Beal at all and wish him well.

I agree 100%, nate.
I find it really hard to understand all the negativity towards Beal.

He did absolutely nothing wrong. Not in the slightest. Not in any way.

Not to mention that "Poole" is not all we wound up getting out of trading Brad. We also got Rollins, & we also got a bunch of picks & pick swaps.

&, finally, the last word is not in on Jordan Poole.

willbcocks wrote:Beele for Poole isnt relevant. We traded Beal for Chris Paul. We could have kept Paul or traded him elsewhere.

We needed a direction. The Beal trade got us one. The subsequent Poole trade then set us back on our new movement in that direction.

willbcocks wrote:(My dislike of Poole, however, is tempered by my newfound like of a player i disliked last year, Kuzma. His play anr conteact appear to be both good for this team and for a potential future trade).

Godymas wrote:you know it's interesting, Poole is actually averaging less than 30mpg, he isn't seeing some insane usage. The other thing is his efficiency, it's worse, but isn't some massive fall-off from who he was with the Warriors. What it feels like is, Jordan Poole is just an ok NBA player that is a little overpaid. A lot of people look at him as a star for the brief time he was with the Warriors and playing well. The right way to look at Poole is just an average NBA scoring guard. He was pretty much a bench guy in Golden State and that's really what he should be for his career.

I still don't hate the gamble that much, what I do hate is WUJ's coaching when it seems so clear that Deni and Kispert could be the future of this team.

At least Kuz is our consistent guy.

Godymas wrote:What it feels like is, Jordan Poole is just an ok NBA player that is a little overpaid.

TGW wrote:

Godymas wrote:What it feels like is, Jordan Poole is just an ok NBA player that is a little overpaid.

I don't know what games you are watching...right now, nothing he does could be considered as "ok". He is quite literally awful at everything according to the data and my eyes. Let's not sugarcoat things...if he continues to play like this, he's not an NBA player. He is China worthy.

Now is it his fault, the coaching, or the system...I think its a combination of all three, but LBH...he is NOT an ok player.

Frichuela wrote:

Godymas wrote:you know it's interesting, Poole is actually averaging less than 30mpg, he isn't seeing some insane usage. The other thing is his efficiency, it's worse, but isn't some massive fall-off from who he was with the Warriors. What it feels like is, Jordan Poole is just an ok NBA player that is a little overpaid. A lot of people look at him as a star for the brief time he was with the Warriors and playing well. The right way to look at Poole is just an average NBA scoring guard. He was pretty much a bench guy in Golden State and that's really what he should be for his career.

I still don't hate the gamble that much, what I do hate is WUJ's coaching when it seems so clear that Deni and Kispert could be the future of this team.

At least Kuz is our consistent guy.

Yes. Poole is -at best- a top 75-100 NBA player at the moment. And when I say at best, is if he returns to anything close to his 2021-22 season form. I think Wes mediocre coaching may not be doing him any favors, particularly offensively where he is expected to deliver like an all-star.

On the future of this team, I'd say that Bilal and Deni are the top 2. Kispert better improve defensively to be playable in a hypothetical playoff format.

nate33 wrote:

willbcocks wrote:...We traded Beal for Chris Paul. We could have kept Paul or traded him elsewhere.....

...I'm guessing there weren't too many teams with the ability to take on Paul's salary, so we traded him for the most talented young player we could find....

payitforward wrote:

FAH1223 wrote:...Did the Washington Wizards trade for Jordan Poole to try to ...move him on in a future trade ... or to make him a cornerstone player of their post-Bradley Beal future?...

Interesting question....
Might be a good idea to think about the trade from another angle.

1. It seems 100% certain that GS planned to trade Jordan Poole last off season. No matter what & for whatever they could get.
2. It also seems likely that GS would have been on Bradley Beal's list of teams to which he'd accept a trade.
3. Yet, we didn't trade Brad for Jordan Poole (plus the rest of what we got in the next day's trade of CP3: Patrick Baldwin Jr., Ryan Rollins, a 2027 R2 pick, & top 20 protected 2030 R1 pick).

Why not?
Well, given that the GS deal took place right after the Phoenix deal, I speculate that it had been worked out in advance.

IOW, moving CP3 to GS for Poole, etc. was likely a done deal before we made the trade with the Suns to acquire CP3!

I.e., the GS trade was not something that became possible once we'd acquired CP3. Rather, to Will Dawkins, the two deals amounted to a single complex transaction in which Beal plus the #57 pick in the '23 draft brought us Jordan Poole, Landry Shamet, Ryan Rollins, Patrick Baldwin, a 2030 R1 pick, 4 future R1 pick swaps and 7 future R2 picks.

From this point of view, Poole simply looks like one commodity among many. I certainly don't think anyone needed to see him as "a cornerstone" of the future in order to do this overall deal.

If he's useful, great. If not, then at least his contract is a much smaller millstone than Brad's contract was.

TGW wrote:At some point, Poole will play well enough to garner attention from other teams. Maybe even demand a pick or two...the Wizards need to take advantage. Don't fall for the allure of a shotjacking undersized gunner. Just sayin'.