Kanyewest wrote:
The rookies played against the scrubs in the 4th quarter.
So, it was scrubs against scrubs. Equally matched. The same scrubs that torched the vet lineup.
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Kanyewest wrote:
The rookies played against the scrubs in the 4th quarter.
WizarDynasty wrote:A) It was sad to see how EG's bench rejects whom he is building the team around faired against a current contender. B) It was sad to see how gasol a true two way allstar powerforward towered over jamison in the post
C) McGee looked really bad out there. D) Even guys like Amare when they came in the league with no college experience seems stronger than McGee and have less body mass.
yungal07 wrote:This game is a perfect example of why I'd take McGee over Blatche without hesitation. McGee is wild out there, but you can't deny that he's always active. He tries to block and dunk everything...if he was a big thicker and stronger he'd be ridiculous right now. He doesn't take plays off -- he's constantly running the floor hard trying to be the first man down the court.
He does everything a typical rookie does -- turn the ball over, take bad shots, and bites on pump fakes, but at least he plays with passion. Can't say that for some of our other guys.
Ced67 wrote:yungal07 wrote:This game is a perfect example of why I'd take McGee over Blatche without hesitation. McGee is wild out there, but you can't deny that he's always active. He tries to block and dunk everything...if he was a big thicker and stronger he'd be ridiculous right now. He doesn't take plays off -- he's constantly running the floor hard trying to be the first man down the court.
He does everything a typical rookie does -- turn the ball over, take bad shots, and bites on pump fakes, but at least he plays with passion. Can't say that for some of our other guys.
I COMPLETLEY AGREE.
I'd rather take a thin but muscular guy like McGee that can add 15-20 more pound of muscle to his frame than Blatche who seemingly is at about his peak weight around 240-245and is still built like a 12 year old. Hit the weight room, and play with a little passion for the whole game, not just when your jumper happens to be on.
P.S. I rarely go after an athlete the way I have been going after Blatche, because I'm not in the locker room, and I don't know him or anything, but I just can't stand this guy and most of it has to do with effort, at least look like you're trying. Look at McGee, he doesn't look like he knows what the hell he's doing half the time but at least we can appreciate the effort and it shows some promise that he's got the right attitude and can improve. Not many people are good enough to coast through games, not even the great passer, Andray Blatche. That guy's a real good passing big man.
WizarDynasty wrote:It was sad to see how EG's bench rejects whom he is building the team around faired against a current contender. It was sad to see how gasol a true two way allstar powerforward towered over jamison in the post to the point that jamison tried to avoid standing next to him on camera..because the height difference was so great.
McGee looked really bad out there. He was floating in the air with poor shooting pathetic layups that you would expect from a point guard like mike james.
He is as soft as baby's behind. He runs around Chris Mihms rather that bending his knees and trying to get leverage. He is a really bad post player who hates contact. Even guys like Amare when they came in the league with no college experience seems stronger than McGee and have less body mass. Even if McGee did get some muscle...he still hates contact and pushing and shoving for position grabbing rebounds.
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Ced67 wrote:yungal07 wrote:This game is a perfect example of why I'd take McGee over Blatche without hesitation. McGee is wild out there, but you can't deny that he's always active. He tries to block and dunk everything...if he was a big thicker and stronger he'd be ridiculous right now. He doesn't take plays off -- he's constantly running the floor hard trying to be the first man down the court.
He does everything a typical rookie does -- turn the ball over, take bad shots, and bites on pump fakes, but at least he plays with passion. Can't say that for some of our other guys.
I COMPLETLEY AGREE.
I'd rather take a thin but muscular guy like McGee that can add 15-20 more pound of muscle to his frame than Blatche who seemingly is at about his peak weight around 240-245and is still built like a 12 year old. Hit the weight room, and play with a little passion for the whole game, not just when your jumper happens to be on.
P.S. I rarely go after an athlete the way I have been going after Blatche, because I'm not in the locker room, and I don't know him or anything, but I just can't stand this guy and most of it has to do with effort, at least look like you're trying. Look at McGee, he doesn't look like he knows what the hell he's doing half the time but at least we can appreciate the effort and it shows some promise that he's got the right attitude and can improve. Not many people are good enough to coast through games, not even the great passer, Andray Blatche. That guy's a real good passing big man.
I have seen a very different Blatche than what you and yungal are seeing. I think he's played with a lot more effort especially on defense the past 15 or so games.
I recall Blatche running the length of the court, not giving up on plays, to block shots in consecutive games a while back. Monstrous blocks. I've heard announcer talk up Blatche many times. Notably, he was KILLING the Kings and Brad Miller. Andray's been stuffing the stat sheets not just with points, but with assists, and more blocks recently. He's hitting clutch shots and ends of games. I could go on, but will stop to say he's playing very mature basketball for a 22-year old. Great mid-range shooter and also a big man who can take the opposing C to the top of the key and kiill him off the dribble. I don't mind that he's got no lift when I see him put the ball in the hoops. On defense, he's more experience than Javale and plays better right now.
The stuff about Andray's attitude you mention is 180 degrees different than quotes I've read where Andray wants to pick Brendan's brain on defense. Andray doesn't care about his numbers and puts team first. Andray is a great facilitator who looks for cutters. He's IMO a much more promising prospect at PF than Jamison.
I just don't get the hate based on the past for this guy and the fact that Tapscott's too dense to play Javale more. They're both promising as all heck.
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Ced67 wrote:Nate, to be fair, I have always felt like this about Blatche and I will continue to.
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I see a sluggish big out there who tries to play like a SF and gives minimal effort.
JWizmentality wrote:gowiz999 wrote:Mike James is so awful. Why does Dixon never see the light of day anymore?
I never understood that. He gets in like every 10 games or so, lights it up then we never see him again. WTH??
mhd wrote:Those advocating getting rid of Blatche IMO are cluless. He's signed to a dirt cheap contract, he's young, and he's played prettty darn well this year. A Haywood Blatche frontcourt is going to be a solid defensive froncourt next year.
Gilbert0Arenas wrote:The coach of this team sucks and this franchise doesn't know how to develop young talent.
Nothing new. Rinse and repeat.
LyricalRico wrote:Ced67 wrote:Nate, to be fair, I have always felt like this about Blatche and I will continue to.
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I see a sluggish big out there who tries to play like a SF and gives minimal effort.
I feel exactly the same way. I don't hate Blatche like I hated Kwame. He's already light years better than Kwame ever was in a Wiz uni. And I fully understand the rationale for keeping him. I just have a bad taste in my mouth from his on and off court issues over the past few years and I'm tired of seeing him continue to make the same mistakes.
Hey, if we had just signed him this summer and I'd never seen him play before, I'd probably be more supportive. But knowing that the mistakes he's making are the same dumb plays he's been making since day one sours it for me. I just don't see enough mental growth to make me think he'll be a reliable starter on a winning team for any great length of time. And if that's the case, trading him before the rest of the league figures that out is in our longterm best interests - especially if we draft a PF this summer.
hands11 wrote:JWizmentality wrote:gowiz999 wrote:Mike James is so awful. Why does Dixon never see the light of day anymore?
I never understood that. He gets in like every 10 games or so, lights it up then we never see him again. WTH??
He doesn't have much trade value and his contract is expiring.
He won't be here next year.
They need to play James, NY, Crit and DMAC.
MJG wrote:mhd wrote:Those advocating getting rid of Blatche IMO are cluless. He's signed to a dirt cheap contract, he's young, and he's played prettty darn well this year. A Haywood Blatche frontcourt is going to be a solid defensive froncourt next year.
What I find so weird is that it's not like people are just open to trading him; rather, many seem to actively want the guy gone. I just flat out don't get it. My best guess is that some cannot separate his potential from his reality, and thus consider him a failure because he isn't living up to the maximum that he can be. If he were instead some D-League callup who came in and produced at the same level, people would be thrilled with him.
Blatche certainly has his flaws. He's inconsistent, prone to stupid fouls, and likely leads the team in facepalm plays. But why isn't that mitigated by the fact that he's a big making only $3 million per for another three years? How many PF/Cs in the league make less than that (on a non-rookie contract) while still being at all productive? It wouldn't surprise me if there were none.
JWizmentality wrote:Kanyewest wrote:
The rookies played against the scrubs in the 4th quarter.
So, it was scrubs against scrubs. Equally matched. The same scrubs that torched the vet lineup.
LyricalRico wrote: I just have a bad taste in my mouth from his ... off court issues over the past few years and I'm tired of seeing him continue to make the same mistakes.
Hey, if we had just signed him this summer and I'd never seen him play before, I'd probably be more supportive. But knowing that the mistakes he's making are the same dumb plays he's been making since day one sours it for me. I just don't see enough mental growth to make me think he'll be a reliable starter on a winning team for any great length of time. And if that's the case, trading him before the rest of the league figures that out is in our longterm best interests - especially if we draft a PF this summer.