Mcgee Rookie Comparison

[forthepeople]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... udy09-Rose
I saw this article on espn suggesting which nba vet these rookies should study to improve there game. I don't have insider can anyone tell me who Thorpe suggests for Mcgee?

[Rafael122]

Andris Biedrins.

[JWizmentality]

Ewww...nothing against Andris but get the **** outta here. Java better be studying D.Howard, while under Haywood's watch.

[nate33]

I think Biedrins is a pretty good selection. Like McGee, Biedrins is a pretty fierce rebounder despite being somewhat thin and wiry. I think Tyson Chandler is the right kind of role model.

[hands11]

I think Biedrins is a pretty good selection. Like McGee, Biedrins is a pretty fierce rebounder despite being somewhat thin and wiry. I think Tyson Chandler is the right kind of role model.

That is the first time in World History that statement has ever been uttered.

[nate33]

I think Biedrins is a pretty good selection. Like McGee, Biedrins is a pretty fierce rebounder despite being somewhat thin and wiry. I think Tyson Chandler is the right kind of role model.

That is the first time in World History that statement has ever been uttered.

Touche.

I suppose "role model" is overstating it. I'd be happy if McGee could play like Chandler on defense. McGee has much better potential on offense though.

Man, how many alley oop dunks could McGee get playing alongside Chris Paul?

[tkunit]

I don't see it, Biedrins didn't come into the league built like a tall girl. He was killing all the str stuff in pre draft blah blah. I think Chandler is probably more like it. Although McGee does seem much better on the O.

[doclinkin]

I think Biedrins is a pretty good selection. Like McGee, Biedrins is a pretty fierce rebounder despite being somewhat thin and wiry. I think Tyson Chandler is the right kind of role model.

That is the first time in World History that statement has ever been uttered.

Touche.

I suppose "role model" is overstating it. I'd be happy if McGee could play like Chandler on defense. McGee has much better potential on offense though.

Man, how many alley oop dunks could McGee get playing alongside Chris Paul?

Very few, if he can't stay on court long enough due to porous defense. Frankly McGee has all the mentor/role model he needs in Brendan Haywood, provided Wood gets a contract extension and doesn't have to worry about his status with the team, feels comfortable enough teaching him how to defend. Learning all the tricks, hitting the weights, getting shoved off the blocks in practice and being forced to get a stronger base and fundamental footwork.

But yeah, if we ended up with Ricky Rubio these two would make hella highlight reels, whatever the defensive shortcomings. Shoot Gilbert and his 20-1 assist to TO ratio will make the Big Kid look good whenever he develops enough that he's no liability at the back end. With his speed, length, body control and hands, he can dammsure both challenge a shot and still leakout to finish an outlet break. There's a nice future here if he can learn quickly. Love to see what Gil and the JV look like after an offseason together.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

For all the Blake Griffin talk, I'm thinking if the Wizards don't end up with Griffin they might already have their PF of the future in McGee.

Javale reminds me of Larry Nance. Tall enough to play some C, but really a PF.

[RickRoll_inDC]

I would have to say that he compares more to Tyson Chandler or Marcus Camby. He's a rebounding machine and blocks a lot of shots. He can easily become as good as either of them, if not better.

[AgentOvechkin08]

Just think of a front court of McGee and Griffin for the next decade...with their potentials reached

[Ruzious]

For all the Blake Griffin talk, I'm thinking if the Wizards don't end up with Griffin they might already have their PF of the future in McGee.

Javale reminds me of Larry Nance. Tall enough to play some C, but really a PF.

Do you really think he has the skills to play PF at the offensive end? I tried picturing it when Pam said he and Brendan could play together, and I could maybe see it defensively, but offensively... I'm at a loss - you'd have to draw pictures for me. I think I could pick his pocket if he's holding the ball facing the basket. If he's so confused playing the position he's always played, how is he going to learn a new position - much less play it well enough to start at?

[go'stags]

I agree with CCJ. McGee was hit some threes in summer league, and showed good form. He also has a very goos touch. There is no reason he cant consistently hit a 15 footer. Then when you consider he has shown flashes of a post game,how he is a great finisher, and his crazy athleticism and size, there is no reason he cant play PF.

Thats not even considering ther havoc he and Haywood would cause on defense once he learns how to rotate and stay on his feet.

I too would like Griffin, but I wont be horribly upset because I think McGee can be a mix of David West and Tyson Chandler.

[hands11]

I think Biedrins is a pretty good selection. Like McGee, Biedrins is a pretty fierce rebounder despite being somewhat thin and wiry. I think Tyson Chandler is the right kind of role model.

That is the first time in World History that statement has ever been uttered.

Touche.

I suppose "role model" is overstating it. I'd be happy if McGee could play like Chandler on defense. McGee has much better potential on offense though.

Man, how many alley oop dunks could McGee get playing alongside Chris Paul?

Keep you eye on the new Gil and you will see

[hands11]

For all the Blake Griffin talk, I'm thinking if the Wizards don't end up with Griffin they might already have their PF of the future in McGee.

Javale reminds me of Larry Nance. Tall enough to play some C, but really a PF.

Now your talking. I just hope we get to see some of it soon so we can get a glimpse.

Haywood, McGee, Blatche, NY, Gilberrrrrt
or
Haywood, McGee, AJ, CB, Gilberrrrrt

Something like that. Just to see what they can do.

There was already a Haywood and Blatche sighting in the MEM game. Something I have been waiting forever to see. Line up were

Haywood, Blatche, CB, NY, Crit +1
Haywood, Blatche, AJ, NY, Crit +9

We even got some
Haywood, Blatche, CB, DMAC, NY +1

Tapps was mixing it up. Love it.

Just a warning. If Gil keeps this up, I'm going hunting for the people that jumped me when I said he could be a Chris Paul type PG. Sorry but pay backs are hell.

[hands11]

For all the Blake Griffin talk, I'm thinking if the Wizards don't end up with Griffin they might already have their PF of the future in McGee.

Javale reminds me of Larry Nance. Tall enough to play some C, but really a PF.

Do you really think he has the skills to play PF at the offensive end? I tried picturing it when Pam said he and Brendan could play together, and I could maybe see it defensively, but offensively... I'm at a loss - you'd have to draw pictures for me. I think I could pick his pocket if he's holding the ball facing the basket. If he's so confused playing the position he's always played, how is he going to learn a new position - much less play it well enough to start at?

Save this somewhere on your computer so you can look it up later and laugh at yourself.

I heard this same kind of stuff when people used to complain about Blatche taking an outside shot or dribble. Now you see AB do some awesome behind the back, crossovers with step back on people.

McGee actually has an outside shot. The game just has to slow down for him. Just wait. He will start to show the outside shot next year. He is going to get minutes there as a back up so maybe you will get to see the vision with your own eyes and save us some drawing.

[pancakes3]

On half-court sets McGee does like to hang around outside and slash his way in rather than establish himself deep in the paint. I think defensively though is where McGee would really thrive. He won't be dealing with hefty centers and get thrown around anymore in the post. Plus, even on the perimeter, he's athletic enough to keep up with most any PF in the league off the dribble.

David Thorpe might say Biedrins, but I personally hope he plays more like Marcus Camby. They both have that ugly catapulting-action shooting mechanic, they both are long and skinny with decent springs and freak wingspans, and what's more they have comparable per 36 rookie numbers. Javale just couldn't get on the court this season despite us being piss poor and center-less. I'm telling you... Camby...

[fishercob]

For all the Blake Griffin talk, I'm thinking if the Wizards don't end up with Griffin they might already have their PF of the future in McGee.

Javale reminds me of Larry Nance. Tall enough to play some C, but really a PF.

Do you really think he has the skills to play PF at the offensive end? I tried picturing it when Pam said he and Brendan could play together, and I could maybe see it defensively, but offensively... I'm at a loss - you'd have to draw pictures for me. I think I could pick his pocket if he's holding the ball facing the basket. If he's so confused playing the position he's always played, how is he going to learn a new position - much less play it well enough to start at?

Save this somewhere on your computer so you can look it up later and laugh at yourself.

I heard this same kind of stuff when people used to complain about Blatche taking an outside shot or dribble. Now you see AB do some awesome behind the back, crossovers with step back on people.

McGee actually has an outside shot. The game just has to slow down for him. Just wait. He will start to show the outside shot next year. He is going to get minutes there as a back up so maybe you will get to see the vision with your own eyes and save us some drawing.

While it's somewhat off topic, I have to respond to this. I think that one of the main things that has held Blatche's progress back is the lack of development of his face-up J, and his persistence in putting the ball on the floor when does nothing. You can tell that he had enough talent in high school to dominate, and since he didn't have the benefit of any college coaching.

Name another PF who uses behind the back dribbles and step backs to create -- and make -- jumpers consistently. They don't exist. Meanwhile, Andray continues to shoot way to flat-looking a ball, and I believe make a poor percentage of his jumpers (can someone tell me where to find this).

Andray would be so much better if he just perfected the 15-18 foot face-up J off the pass, like a PJ Brown, Horace Grant, or Haslem. All his over-dribbling creates unnecessary risk and leads to turnovers.

Blatche makes some highlight plays for sure, but he'd be a much better player if he simplified his game and became more consistent. I think Javale can play the 4 down the road, but not because of anything I've seen Blatche do.

[nate33]

Blatche's eFG% on jumpers is .348.

For comparison:
Joe Smith .427.
Drew Gooden .412.
Udonis Haslem .429.
Marcus Camby .353.
Kenyon Martin .373.
Darius Songaila .458
Jared Jeffries .264 (just had to throw that in there for comic relief)

[fishercob]

Thanks nate. Where do you grab that from?