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Post#901 Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0
Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:38 pm by hands11

Nick and McGee are going to have good games. That is not a negative for the Wizards. They had good games and good runs of games here as well.

As for Mack, I don't have a huge problem with how it played out. Hopefully the DL has helped him hone his skills. But we are talking an average back up PG. For that, they went with Price who is quicker and a better defender. Its just he is hurt now.

I think the bigger problem was not having anything near a starting PG to replace Wall while he was out. Price wasn't it. Best they could have done was make Crawford that player but they didn't do that early enough.

But then again. That is assuming Ted didn't want another tank year under his belt. Which its looking more and more like he did/do.

You don't start a back up PG like Price ( or Mack if he was here) with a 19 year old kid and no #1 or #2 scoring options unless you are outright stupid or you are looking to tank.
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Post#902 Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0
Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:01 pm by hands11

Nivek wrote:Grunfeld must have some kind of Jedi mind thing over team owners. My guess is that they've convinced themselves that the problem is injuries to Wall and Nene and that everyone would play better if those two were in the lineup.


So your position is that they wouldn't play better with Wall and Nene in the line up ?

Hey, I know it is cathartic and all to beat on Ted and EG. Lord knows we are all frustrated. Specially since they have accumulated some pieces.

But come on now. Of course they would be better with those two out there. No Wall and Nene to start the year had a huge effect on this season. And to make it worse, Kevin was injured preseason as well. And now they don't have Trevor A, Price and Booker on top of that.

This has been a train wreck. But at least we are probably behind the worst of Beals play. He should start to rebound now. Kevin S is someone who's development will be fun to watch. He could still be a beast if they keep developing him well. There are still pieces that will be fun to watch get better. But the season... the season is shot. Its a tank. And that sucks. You can no longer count on them doing anything logical to win because winning is bad for the tank. God I hate tank years. Takes all the fun out of expecting them to do anything good or logical. Gotta put your tank logic hat on to predict their next moves.
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Post#903 Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0
Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:07 pm by TGW

Nick Young didn't have a good game against the Lakers...alot of garbage buckets and typical Nick Young iso-shot jacking.
milellie111 wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
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Post#904 Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0
Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:06 pm by Halcyon

Josh Howard cut, apparently torn ACL.
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Post#905 Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0
Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:03 pm by Induveca

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/12/29/he-got-paid-so-where-is-javale-mcgee/

Ouch, McGee called a "20 minute player" by Karl. Article slams McGee pretty badly as a disappoint,emt, essentially calling him "not so bright" and unreliable, but not in those exact words.
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Post#906 Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0
Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:20 pm by Dat2U

Induveca wrote:http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/12/29/he-got-paid-so-where-is-javale-mcgee/

Ouch, McGee called a "20 minute player" by Karl. Article slams McGee pretty badly as a disappoint,emt, essentially calling him "not so bright" and unreliable, but not in those exact words.


The article needs to be slammed too. McGee is the best center on that roster. And it's not even close.

22.4 PER
.597 TS%
113 ORtg
104 DRtg
.163 WS/48

Maybe Karl needs to re-evaluate who he's giving minutes to. I've read many folks around the league, including scouts who believe McGee should be playing more. Even with his asthma he should be getting 26-28 minutes a night.
hands11 wrote:Of course Dray was an idiot. So were the fans for endlessly booing him. Had they not done that, they could have actually keep him around and traded him when his value wasn't rock bottom.
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Post#907 Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0
Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:22 pm by Induveca

He made a good point, Karl doesn't allow him to shoot. He only gets layups and dunks.
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Post#908 Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0
Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:25 pm by Dat2U

Induveca wrote:He made a good point, Karl doesn't allow him to shoot. He only gets layups and dunks.


Which is fine. I don't mind Karl being a hard ass on McGee. McGee likely needs that type of motivation, but he certainly deserves more minutes as well.
hands11 wrote:Of course Dray was an idiot. So were the fans for endlessly booing him. Had they not done that, they could have actually keep him around and traded him when his value wasn't rock bottom.
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Post#909 Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0
Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:26 pm by FAH1223

Great leader of men has been benched.

“Fifteen years,” the Lakers forward said, recapping his career. “My only thing is let me know why. I don’t think you go from starting and 30-something minutes to not in the rotation whatsoever. And not explaining to me what exactly happened, that’s the toughest thing. There’s nothing you can do but be positive and support your teammates. The only reason I came here was they said I was going to play and to win a championship.”

“There’s a competitor in me that wants to compete and I know I can help the team,” Jamison said. “Whenever I get answers, I guess I’ll feel more better about the situation but nothing has been told to me why nothing has happened or that I did anything wrong.

“DNPs for the first time in my career. I have not had a conversation with [D’Antoni] about anything about the situation.”


Lakers' Antawn Jamison unhappy about being benched - latimes.com
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Post#910 Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0
Fri Jan 4, 2013 5:40 pm by closg00

McGuire has been waived again, probably for the last time. When your a defensive-minded player who can't shot *cough Vesely*, it makes it hard to stick in this league.
Guys on a message board could do a better job managing the Wizards than Ernie Grunfeld.
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Post#911 Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0
Fri Jan 4, 2013 6:01 pm by Chocolate City Jordanaire

Dat2U wrote:
Induveca wrote:http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/12/29/he-got-paid-so-where-is-javale-mcgee/

Ouch, McGee called a "20 minute player" by Karl. Article slams McGee pretty badly as a disappoint,emt, essentially calling him "not so bright" and unreliable, but not in those exact words.


The article needs to be slammed too. McGee is the best center on that roster. And it's not even close.

22.4 PER
.597 TS%
113 ORtg
104 DRtg
.163 WS/48

Maybe Karl needs to re-evaluate who he's giving minutes to. I've read many folks around the league, including scouts who believe McGee should be playing more. Even with his asthma he should be getting 26-28 minutes a night.


McGee's comments are as good as they could be.

McGee had all the right answers after Friday’s game when it came to his limited playing time. Perhaps three-plus seasons in Washington will do that to any player.

“As long as we win, I can’t feel any way about it,” McGee said. “I’m just trying to help the team win and do everything I can to make sure that we win games. It’s definitely a blessing being on a wining team. It’s a lot more positive. Just happy to be here.”
Will the Wizards' success be sustained or was it fool's gold?
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Post#912 Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0
Fri Jan 4, 2013 6:39 pm by DCZards

Here's a few excerpts from a column in today's Denver Post about McGee that was posted on another thread.

For $10 million, you would think Nuggets center JaVale McGee could buy a clue.
You would be dead wrong. It's impossible to make a basketball player smarter by overpaying him.

In a single 7-foot bundle of confusion, McGee and his unfulfilled potential represent everything that's wrong with the Nuggets, a team coach George Karl labeled as arrogant and immature after a putrid home loss Thursday night against Minnesota.

With 5 minutes, 8 seconds remaining in the fourth period of a tie game, Timberwolves guard J.J. Barea, who's about as physically imposing as JWoww from "Jersey Shore," drove the lane to the rim. McGee stood there and did nothing, as Barea made an uncontested layup. Karl called timeout. McGee took a seat on the bench. The Big Tease never returned to the court.

I would give McGee a one-way bus ticket to Altoona, Pa. Trade his unfulfilled potential in a heartbeat. Don't let the door hit you on the way out of town, big fella.

But, based primarily on a single, amazing 21-point playoff game against the Los Angeles Lakers, Nuggets general manager Masai Ujiri gave McGee a four-year, $44 million contract, in effect doubling down on a bet that money can instill passion in a tall guy who doesn't particularly love basketball (e.g. Nene).

There are advanced hoops metrics that suggest McGee is the team's most productive player. But as I watched McGee struggle like a frustrated third-grader, as he stubbornly tried to pull on a dress shirt and a sweater over his head at the same time following the loss to Minnesota, my lone thought was: Wow, can stats tell a real doozy of a lie.
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Post#913 Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0
Fri Jan 4, 2013 6:48 pm by Dat2U

Meanwhile in DC we can celebrate the fact we've got Nene instead of McGee and were 4-26! Whoop Whoop!
hands11 wrote:Of course Dray was an idiot. So were the fans for endlessly booing him. Had they not done that, they could have actually keep him around and traded him when his value wasn't rock bottom.
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Post#914 Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0
Fri Jan 4, 2013 10:46 pm by nate33

Dat2U wrote:Meanwhile in DC we can celebrate the fact we've got Nene instead of McGee and were 4-26! Whoop Whoop!

C'mon Dat2U. That's not fair. The 4-26 record certainly isn't Nene's fault. He has been awesome all season. His on/off numbers continue to be insane. When Nene is on the floor, the Wizards are an above-average ball club with a +6 point differential (that's about 55 wins or so). When he is off the floor, they're literally the worst team of all time.
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Post#915 Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0
Fri Jan 4, 2013 11:06 pm by Dat2U

nate33 wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Meanwhile in DC we can celebrate the fact we've got Nene instead of McGee and were 4-26! Whoop Whoop!

C'mon Dat2U. That's not fair. The 4-26 record certainly isn't Nene's fault. He has been awesome all season. His on/off numbers continue to be insane. When Nene is on the floor, the Wizards are an above-average ball club with a +6 point differential (that's about 55 wins or so). When he is off the floor, they're literally the worst team of all time.


For all of his awesomeness the fact is were still 4-26. Maybe if he played more than 18 games at 23 minutes per those numbers would mean more.
hands11 wrote:Of course Dray was an idiot. So were the fans for endlessly booing him. Had they not done that, they could have actually keep him around and traded him when his value wasn't rock bottom.
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Post#916 Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0
Sat Jan 5, 2013 12:44 am by DCZards

Dat2U wrote:For all of his awesomeness the fact is were still 4-26. Maybe if he played more than 18 games at 23 minutes per those numbers would mean more.


Healthwise, it's probably a good idea to limit Nene minutes. The Zards season isn't going anywhere and it makes no sense to overuse a top player with a foot injury that needs rest.
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Post#917 Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0
Tue Jan 8, 2013 12:34 pm by sashae

Andray was questioned subsequent to the Nets game in Philly with regards to the report of a rape by a Nets player.
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Post#918 Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0
Tue Jan 8, 2013 12:38 pm by keynote

Man, if any of that is true... That fool seems to be incapable of staying out of trouble.

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Post#919 Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0
Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:17 pm by closg00

Proceed cautiously here, this tap story has all the makings of a classic honey-trap. The female was dragged upstairs to the hotel room? This will end with a "settlement"
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Post#920 Re: Tracking Former Wizards 3.0
Tue Jan 8, 2013 1:58 pm by keynote

closg00 wrote:Proceed cautiously here, this tap story has all the makings of a classic honey-trap. The female was dragged upstairs to the hotel room? This will end with a "settlement"


That's entirely possible. That's *still* "trouble," though. Blatche was *still* up at 4 AM (with a game that night, if I have the time line right), hanging w/ a crowd and in an environment where he'd be susceptible to a "honey-trap."

Some players can live like that and get away with it. Blatche has not shown the ability thus far in his career to live that way and remain unscathed.
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