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How does Calipari recruit like this?

Postby Laimbeer on Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:38 pm

I know the quick answer for some will be rule breaking. For those, exactly what do you think is going on that's breaking the rules?

Other factors? Do kids just see Kentucky as the ultimte one-and-done stop? Does Cal do a better job preparing them for the NBA?
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Re: How does Calipari recruit like this?

Postby Jake0890 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:33 pm

Kentucky is the ultimate one stop to NBA shop. You go there, get A+ facilities, good coaching, national attention, and other good players around you, and then leave for the NBA.

pure speculation, but I would have to say he is breaking the rules, or at leat bending them. of course, the NCAA will never investigate Kentucky because they mean too much to their money making system.
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Re: How does Calipari recruit like this?

Postby ManualRam on Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:33 pm

Jake0890 wrote:Kentucky is the ultimate one stop to NBA shop. You go there, get A+ facilities, good coaching, national attention, and other good players around you, and then leave for the NBA.



i agree with everything except the good coaching.
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Re: How does Calipari recruit like this?

Postby StojkoVrankovic on Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:55 pm

ManualRam wrote:
Jake0890 wrote:Kentucky is the ultimate one stop to NBA shop. You go there, get A+ facilities, good coaching, national attention, and other good players around you, and then leave for the NBA.



i agree with everything except the good coaching.

Very much agree. Cal is a great cheerleader, but certainly not a good coach
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Re: How does Calipari recruit like this?

Postby jman3134 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:18 am

Disagree. How do you balance all of those egos and get them to improve as much as they do year in and year out? He isn't the best X's and O's coach, but his player development is good.
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Re: How does Calipari recruit like this?

Postby ManualRam on Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:24 am

jman3134 wrote:Disagree. How do you balance all of those egos and get them to improve as much as they do year in and year out? He isn't the best X's and O's coach, but his player development is good.

i'd say it's more player management than player development. a lot of of his one-and-dones leave the program just as raw as they entered it. another thing that doesn't help develop the players for the next level is his offensive system, which is very basic and doesn't involve a lot of pro sets. he makes things simple so that the transition from AAU and HS ball (mostly AAU) to college is easier, but i don't think it prepares them any more for the pros than other highly touted coaches' systems.

i wouldn't call him a great cheerleader either.
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Re: How does Calipari recruit like this?

Postby themaster07 on Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:07 am

Coach Cal is a player's coach. He knows how to sell his program. As mentioned, it's the ultimate one and done location. Every year the guy ensures that he brings on 3 to 4 five star talents (lottery talent). He throws these kids in and let their basketball skills win him games as opposed to really drawing X and O's. Coach Cal has mentioned it on numerous occasion that if his players want to leave after a year, he strongly encourages them.

Selling points to a player
- Nike and facility
- Coach Cal's credential of putting players in the NBA. Esp lottery position.
- Coach Cal's track record of winning/reaching final 4 and championship/national attention
- Playing w/ other great freshmen and potentially winning it all (Fab Five mentality)
- There's a lot of freedom in his offense (Go on and light these boys up as long as you dominate and win)

If you think about it. Coach Cal is selling the ultimate college basketball experience. A player's mindset might be:

McDonald All American game > Winning/Reaching championship game and national exposure > NBA lottery
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Re: How does Calipari recruit like this?

Postby ManualRam on Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:36 pm

themaster07 wrote:Coach Cal is a player's coach. He knows how to sell his program. As mentioned, it's the ultimate one and done location. Every year the guy ensures that he brings on 3 to 4 five star talents (lottery talent). He throws these kids in and let their basketball skills win him games as opposed to really drawing X and O's. Coach Cal has mentioned it on numerous occasion that if his players want to leave after a year, he strongly encourages them.

Selling points to a player
- Nike and facility
- Coach Cal's credential of putting players in the NBA. Esp lottery position.
- Coach Cal's track record of winning/reaching final 4 and championship/national attention
- Playing w/ other great freshmen and potentially winning it all (Fab Five mentality)
- There's a lot of freedom in his offense (Go on and light these boys up as long as you dominate and win)

If you think about it. Coach Cal is selling the ultimate college basketball experience. A player's mindset might be:

McDonald All American game > Winning/Reaching championship game and national exposure > NBA lottery

if my ultimate goal was to improve as a player as much as i can during my short stay in college, playing under coach cal wouldn't be my first choice.
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Re: How does Calipari recruit like this?

Postby Jake0890 on Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:12 pm

ManualRam wrote:
themaster07 wrote:Coach Cal is a player's coach. He knows how to sell his program. As mentioned, it's the ultimate one and done location. Every year the guy ensures that he brings on 3 to 4 five star talents (lottery talent). He throws these kids in and let their basketball skills win him games as opposed to really drawing X and O's. Coach Cal has mentioned it on numerous occasion that if his players want to leave after a year, he strongly encourages them.

Selling points to a player
- Nike and facility
- Coach Cal's credential of putting players in the NBA. Esp lottery position.
- Coach Cal's track record of winning/reaching final 4 and championship/national attention
- Playing w/ other great freshmen and potentially winning it all (Fab Five mentality)
- There's a lot of freedom in his offense (Go on and light these boys up as long as you dominate and win)

If you think about it. Coach Cal is selling the ultimate college basketball experience. A player's mindset might be:

McDonald All American game > Winning/Reaching championship game and national exposure > NBA lottery

if my ultimate goal was to improve as a player as much as i can during my short stay in college, playing under coach cal wouldn't be my first choice.


But that's not the focus of most players.
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Re: How does Calipari recruit like this?

Postby Jay10 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:13 pm

Playing for Cal pretty much guarantees a recruit getting drafted in the first round.
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Re: How does Calipari recruit like this?

Postby ManualRam on Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:43 pm

Jay10 wrote:Playing for Cal pretty much guarantees a recruit getting drafted in the first round.

talented players get drafted high. the majority of the kids he's gotten wouldve been selected in the first regardless.
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Re: How does Calipari recruit like this?

Postby ManualRam on Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:45 pm

Jake0890 wrote:
ManualRam wrote:
themaster07 wrote:Coach Cal is a player's coach. He knows how to sell his program. As mentioned, it's the ultimate one and done location. Every year the guy ensures that he brings on 3 to 4 five star talents (lottery talent). He throws these kids in and let their basketball skills win him games as opposed to really drawing X and O's. Coach Cal has mentioned it on numerous occasion that if his players want to leave after a year, he strongly encourages them.

Selling points to a player
- Nike and facility
- Coach Cal's credential of putting players in the NBA. Esp lottery position.
- Coach Cal's track record of winning/reaching final 4 and championship/national attention
- Playing w/ other great freshmen and potentially winning it all (Fab Five mentality)
- There's a lot of freedom in his offense (Go on and light these boys up as long as you dominate and win)

If you think about it. Coach Cal is selling the ultimate college basketball experience. A player's mindset might be:

McDonald All American game > Winning/Reaching championship game and national exposure > NBA lottery

if my ultimate goal was to improve as a player as much as i can during my short stay in college, playing under coach cal wouldn't be my first choice.


But that's not the focus of most players.


now this is true.
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Re: How does Calipari recruit like this?

Postby ItSternsWhenI_P on Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:18 pm

They go to the school knowing that he gets you to where you want to be within a year or two. And they pay really really well in the NBA. He has a proven track record and thats all these young kids see is the Evans, Rose, Wall, Cousins etc. in the NBA after 1 year and they have that same type of talent so it works for both of them.
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Re: How does Calipari recruit like this?

Postby Doctor MJ on Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:46 pm

I think the relationship with Worldwide West is instructive:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... _Wes_Began

It's certainly possibly to overstate what Wes does single-handedly, but at this point here's the rep Calipari has:

1) He treats his players well outside of basketball (arguably too well).

2) He is willing to completely overhaul his system from year-to-year to fit in with new talent. Don't underestimate how much work that is, and how risky it is. The risk is why Kentucky can't be expected to have a true dynasty really ever, even with having the best talent at all times, and that's something Calipari is giving up with this approach.

3) He's had great team success with these overhauls with very different teams.

4) And most importantly, a track record of player's maxing out their draft stock only a year later where elsewhere the results have been much more spotty.
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Re: How does Calipari recruit like this?

Postby wiff on Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:03 pm

So far Calipari's one and done system has been working really well for the kids and Kentucky. I only have one question and I don't think we'll know the answer until next season.

Kentucky has 3 of the top 6 high school players committed for next year and two who are uncommitted have Kentucky on their "list".

BUT.........What happens when Kentucky doesn't have 6 guys go to the NBA draft and you have all this top end talent coming in? How are these kids going to deal playing 15-20 minutes a night instead of 30? Or what happens when a stud freshman comes in better than a stud sophomore and Calipari sits the sophomore?

So far it's been a recipe for success and I think what he has been doing is amazing I just see potential for it to get really ugly.

Oh and how does he do it? Money. Look at the dudes track record. Look at UMASS and Memphis. The guy bends the rules. I think his previous experiences speak loud and clear.
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