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Stillwater wrote:

reload141 wrote:

Stillwater wrote:Won't be surprised if Memphis is end of the lottery or the 8th seed 15-16 with a healthy Conley, and Sac is probably a little better than last season around 9-12.
Ainge screwed up getting all those picks in a weak draft, better flip 'em soon before the frosh crop confirms the bad projections.

Yeah, no way.

Sacramento hasn't picked out of the bottom 8 in 10 years and looks to be either 2nd last or last in the West.

Memphis will battle for a playoff seed for sure but will most likely fall short. They are relying on health for Conley & Gasol which isn't the best.

Sac will finish bottom 6 and Memphis should be around the 12-14 mark, if they suffer a couple of injuries they could fall to the 10-12 mark for sure.

Care to recant your previous statement?

I have a disorder where I mix up teams, what I meant was Memphis 6th and Sac 12-14.

Stillwater wrote:

reload141 wrote:

Stillwater wrote:Won't be surprised if Memphis is end of the lottery or the 8th seed 15-16 with a healthy Conley, and Sac is probably a little better than last season around 9-12.
Ainge screwed up getting all those picks in a weak draft, better flip 'em soon before the frosh crop confirms the bad projections.

Yeah, no way.

Sacramento hasn't picked out of the bottom 8 in 10 years and looks to be either 2nd last or last in the West.

Memphis will battle for a playoff seed for sure but will most likely fall short. They are relying on health for Conley & Gasol which isn't the best.

Sac will finish bottom 6 and Memphis should be around the 12-14 mark, if they suffer a couple of injuries they could fall to the 10-12 mark for sure.

Care to recant your previous statement?

Lol dude. You are the king of bad takes. Calling out someone who typically has solid takes because he misses by a few picks is pretty sad. Yes the picks are not going to be as good expected Memphis looks like 8 ish and Sac looks like 12 ish. Barely halfway through the season though.

brackdan70 wrote:

Stillwater wrote:

reload141 wrote:
Yeah, no way.

Sacramento hasn't picked out of the bottom 8 in 10 years and looks to be either 2nd last or last in the West.

Memphis will battle for a playoff seed for sure but will most likely fall short. They are relying on health for Conley & Gasol which isn't the best.

Sac will finish bottom 6 and Memphis should be around the 12-14 mark, if they suffer a couple of injuries they could fall to the 10-12 mark for sure.

Care to recant your previous statement?

Lol dude. You are the king of bad takes. Calling out someone who typically has solid takes because he misses by a few picks is pretty sad. Yes the picks are not going to be as good expected Memphis looks like 8 ish and Sac looks like 12 ish. Barely halfway through the season though.

Just a light-hearted stab at all Boston homers not just this guy. Nothing more pathetic too me than someone claiming another is the king of bad takes when no amount of truth backs it up. I don't pay attention to your takes very often as your own opinion is usually a trace artists level of original thinking.

1/25/19

1. Cleveland - Zion Williamson (6'7'', PF, Duke, Fresh.)
2. New York - RJ Barrett (6'6'', SG, Duke, Fresh.)
3. Phoenix - Ja Morant (6'3'', PG, Murray State, Soph.)
4. Chicago - Nassir Little (6’6’’, SF, North Carolina, Fresh.)
5. Atlanta - Cameron Reddish (6'7'', SF, Duke, Fresh.)
6. Memphis - Jarrett Culver (6'5'', SG, Texas Tech, Soph.)
7. Orlando – Darius Garland (6'1'', PG, Vanderbilt, Fresh.)
8. Washington - Bol Bol (7'2'', C, Oregon, Fresh.)
9. Atlanta - Romeo Langford (6'6'', SG, Indiana, Fresh.)
10. Detroit - Keldon Johnson (6’6’’, SG, Kentucky, Fresh.)
11. New Orleans - Kevin Porter (6'5'', SG, USC, Fresh.)
12. Boston - Sekou Doumbouya (6'9'', PF, France)
13. Minnesota - Rui Hachimura (6’8’’, SF, Gonzaga, Jr.)
14. LA Lakers – Jaxson Hayes (6'11'', C, Texas, Fresh.)
15. Miami - DeAndre Hunter (6’7’’, SF, Virginia, Soph.)
16. Charlotte – Jontay Porter (6'11'', PF, Missouri, Soph.)
17. Brooklyn - KZ Okpala (6'9'', PF, Stanford, Soph.)
18. Boston - Daniel Gafford (6’11’’, C, Arkansas, Soph.)
19. San Antonio - Brandon Clarke (6'9'', PF, Gonzaga, Jr.)
20. Utah - Goga Bitadze (6’11’’, C, Georgia)
21. Houston - Dedric Lawson (6'8'', PF, Kansas, Jr.)
22. Portland - Jaylen Hoard (6’8’’, SF, Wake Forest, Fresh.)
23. Oklahoma City - Nickeil Alexander-Walker (6'5'', SG, Virginia Tech, Soph.)
24. Boston - Grant Williams (6'7'', PF, Tennessee, Jr.)
25. Philadelphia - Luguentz Dort (6'4'', SG, Arizona State, Fresh.)
26. Brooklyn - Louis King (6'8'', SF, Oregon, Fresh.)
27. Indiana - Bruno Fernando (6'10'', C, Maryland, Soph.)
28. Golden State – Jalen Smith (6'10'', PF, Maryland, Fresh.)
29. San Antonio - Deividas Sirvydis (6'8'', SF, Lithuania)
30. Milwaukee - Coby White (6'5'', PG, North Carolina, Fresh.)

31. Orlando - Jalen Lecque (6'4'', SG, High School)
32. Brooklyn - Charles Bassey (6’11’’, C, Western Kentucky, Fresh.)
33. Phoenix - Nazreon Reid (6'10'', PF, LSU, Fresh.)
34. Philadelphia - PJ Washington (6'8'', PF, Kentucky, Soph.)
35. Atlanta - Sagaba Konate (6'8'', PF, West Virginia, Jr.)
36. Chicago - Carsen Edwards (6’1’’, PG, Purdue, Jr.)
37. Sacramento - Admiral Schofield (6’6’’, SF, Tennessee, Sr.)
38. Charlotte - Ty Jerome (6'5'', SG, Virginia, Jr.)
39. Detroit - Markus Howard (5'11'', PG, Marquette, Jr.)
40. Dallas - Jalen McDaniels (6'10'', PF, San Diego State, Soph.)
41. New Orleans - Darius Bazley (6’9’’, SF, G-League)
42. Minnesota - Killian Tillie (6'10'', PF, Gonzaga, Jr.)
43. Atlanta - Luka Samanic (6'10'', PF, Croatia)
44. Sacramento - Austin Wiley (6'10'', C, Auburn, Jr.)
45. Philadelphia - Marko Simonovic (6'11'', PF, Montenegro)
46. Atlanta - Charles Matthews (6'6'', SG, Michigan, Jr.)
47. Orlando - Ethan Happ (6’9’’, PF, Wisconsin, Sr.)
48. LA Clippers - Eric Paschall (6’8’’, PF, Villanova, Sr.)
49. Utah - Shamorie Ponds (5'11'', PG, St. John's, Jr.)
50. San Antonio - Paul Eboua (6'7'', SF, Italy)
51. New York - Ky Bowman (6’1’’, PG, Boston College, Jr.)
52. LA Clippers - Jessie Govan (6'10'', C, Georgetown, Sr.)
53. Boston - Aric Holman (6’10’’, PF, Mississippi State, Sr.)
54. Charlotte - Udoka Azubuike (7'0'', C, Kansas, Jr.)
55. Philadelphia - Kerwin Roach (6'4'', SG, Texas, Sr.)
56. Milwaukee - Caleb Martin (6’6’’, SG, Nevada, Sr.)
57. Indiana - Terance Mann (6'6'', SG, Florida State, Sr.)
58. Dallas - Tyus Battle (6'6'', SG, Syracuse, Jr.)
59. Toronto - Kostja Mushidi (6’5’’, SG, Belgium)
60. Sacramento - Marial Shayok (6'6'', SG, Iowa State, Sr.)

2/1/19 - Tiered Big Board


Tier 1:

1. Zion Williamson (6'7'', PF, Duke, Fresh.)
2. RJ Barrett (6'6'', SG, Duke, Fresh.)

Tier 2:

3. Ja Morant (6'3'', PG, Murray State, Soph.)
4. Cameron Reddish (6'7'', SF, Duke, Fresh.)
5. Nassir Little (6’6’’, SF, North Carolina, Fresh.)
6. Jarrett Culver (6'5'', SG, Texas Tech, Soph.)

Tier 3:

7. Bol Bol (7'2'', C, Oregon, Fresh.)
8. Rui Hachimura (6’8’’, PF, Gonzaga, Jr.)
9. Romeo Langford (6'6'', SG, Indiana, Fresh.)
10. Keldon Johnson (6’6’’, SG, Kentucky, Fresh.)
11. Kevin Porter (6'5'', SG, USC, Fresh.)
12. Jaxson Hayes (6'11'', C, Texas, Fresh.)
13. Darius Garland (6'1'', PG, Vanderbilt, Fresh.)
14. Sekou Doumbouya (6'9'', PF, France)
15. Daniel Gafford (6’11’’, C, Arkansas, Soph.)
16. DeAndre Hunter (6’7’’, SF, Virginia, Soph.)

Tier 4:

17. Jontay Porter (6'11'', PF, Missouri, Soph.)
18. Coby White (6'5'', PG, North Carolina, Fresh.)
19. KZ Okpala (6'9'', PF, Stanford, Soph.)
20. Dedric Lawson (6'8'', PF, Kansas, Jr.)
21. Nickeil Alexander-Walker (6'5'', SG, Virginia Tech, Soph.)
22. Brandon Clarke (6'9'', PF, Gonzaga, Jr.)
23. Jaylen Hoard (6’8’’, SF, Wake Forest, Fresh.)
24. Jalen Smith (6'10'', PF, Maryland, Fresh.)
25. Jalen Lecque (6'4'', SG, High School)
26. Bruno Fernando (6'10'', C, Maryland, Soph.)
27. Goga Bitadze (6’11’’, C, Georgia)
28. Charles Bassey (6’11’’, C, Western Kentucky, Fresh.)
20. Louis King (6'8'', SF, Oregon, Fresh.)
30. Grant Williams (6'7'', PF, Tennessee, Jr.)
31. Luguentz Dort (6'4'', SG, Arizona State, Fresh.)
32. Deividas Sirvydis (6'8'', SF, Lithuania)
33. Nazreon Reid (6'10'', PF, LSU, Fresh.)

Tier 5:

34. Markus Howard (5'11'', PG, Marquette, Jr.)
35. PJ Washington (6'8'', PF, Kentucky, Soph.)
36. Killian Tillie (6'10'', PF, Gonzaga, Jr.)
37. Sagaba Konate (6'8'', PF, West Virginia, Jr.)
38. Darius Bazley (6’9’’, SF, G-League)
39. Luka Samanic (6'10'', PF, Croatia)
40. Carsen Edwards (6’1’’, PG, Purdue, Jr.)
41. Jalen McDaniels (6'10'', PF, San Diego State, Soph.)
42. Admiral Schofield (6’6’’, SF, Tennessee, Sr.)
43. Ty Jerome (6'5'', SG, Virginia, Jr.)
44. Shamorie Ponds (5'11'', PG, St. John's, Jr.)
45. Jessie Govan (6'10'', C, Georgetown, Sr.)
46. Charles Matthews (6'6'', SG, Michigan, Jr.)
47. Eric Paschall (6’8’’, PF, Villanova, Sr.)
48. Ethan Happ (6’9’’, PF, Wisconsin, Sr.)
49. Kerwin Roach (6'4'', SG, Texas, Sr.)
50. Caleb Martin (6’6’’, SG, Nevada, Sr.)

2/1/19 - 2020 Big Board

1. Jaden McDaniels (6'10'', SF, High School/Undecided)
2. Anthony Edwards (6'4'', SG, High School/Undecided)
3. James Wiseman (7'0'', C, High School/Memphis)
4. Vernon Carey (6'10'', C, High School/Duke)
5. Cole Anthony (6'2'', PG, High School/Undecided)
6. Bryan Antoine (6'5'', SG, High School/Villanova)
7. Khalil Whitney (6'8'', SF, High School/Kentucky)
8. Isaiah Stewart (6'9'', PF, High School/Washington)
9. Nico Mannion (6'2'', PG, High School/Arizona)
10. Josh Green (6'6'', SG, High School/Arizona)
11. Theo Maledon (6'5'', PG, France)
12. Quentin Grimes (6'5'', SG, Kansas, Fresh.)
13. Deni Avdijia (6'8'', SF, Israel)
14. Tyrese Maxey (6'3'', SG, High School/Kentucky)
15. Filip Petrusev (6'11'', C, Gonzaga, Fresh.)
16. Moses Brown (7'1'', C, UCLA, Fresh.)
17. Scottie Lewis (6'5'', SG, High School/Florida)
18. Simi $hittu (6'8'', PF, Vanderbilt, Fresh.)
19. Ashton Hagans (6'3'', PG, Kentucky, Fresh.)
20. EJ Montgomery (6'10'', PF, Kentucky, Fresh.)
21. LaMelo Ball (6'5'', PG, USA)
22. Chuma Okeke (6'8'', PF, Auburn, Soph.)
23. Kris Wilkes (6'8'', SF, UCLA, Soph.)
24. Kenny Wooten (6'9'', PF, Oregon, Soph.)
25. Tyler Bey (6'7'', SF, Colorado, Soph.)
26. Brandon Randolph (6'5'', SG, Arizona, Soph.)
27. Talen Horton-Tucker (6'4'', SG, Iowa State, Fresh.)
28. Tre Jones (6'3'', PG, Duke, Fresh.)
29. Zach Norvell (6'5'', SG, Gonzaga, Soph.)
30. Jahvon Quinerly (6'1'', PG, Villanova, Fresh.)
31. Javonte Smart (6'4'', SG, LSU, Fresh.)
32. Oshae Brissett (6'8'', SF, Syracuse, Soph.)
33. Jaylen Hands (6'3'', PG, UCLA, Soph.)
34. Herb Jones (6'7'', SF, Alabama, Soph.)
35. Ignas Brazdeikis (6'7'', SF, Michigan, Fresh.)
36. Devon Dotson (6'2'', PG, Kansas, Fresh.)
37. John Petty (6'5'', SG, Alabama, Soph.)
38. Nick Weatherspoon (6'2'', PG, Mississippi State, Soph.)
39. Jaylen Nowell (6'4'', SG, Washington, Soph.)
40. Silvio De Souza (6'8'', PF, Kansas, Soph.)
41. Immauel Quickley (6'3'', PG, Kentucky, Fresh.)
42. Chris Smith (6'8'', SF, UCLA, Soph.)
43. Jordan Nwora (6'7'', SF, Louisville, Soph.)
44. Lindell Wiggington (6'2'', PG, Iowa State, Soph.)
45. Quinton Rose (6'8'', SF, Temple, Jr.)
46. Brian Bowen (6'7'', SG, USA)
47. Omer Yurtseven (7'0'', C, Georgetown, Jr.)
48. Mustapha Heron (6'5'', SG, St. John's, Jr.)
49. Javin DeLaurier (6'9'', PF, Duke, Jr.)
50. Josh Langford (6'5'', SG, Michigan State, Jr.)

Not a hagans fan?

Justwar wrote:Not a hagans fan?

He has talent, but is still crazy inconsistent.

2/19/19

1. Phoenix - Zion Williamson (6'7'', PF, Duke, Fresh.)
2. New York - RJ Barrett (6'6'', SG, Duke, Fresh.)
3. Cleveland - Ja Morant (6'3'', PG, Murray State, Soph.)
4. Chicago - Cameron Reddish (6'7'', SF, Duke, Fresh.)
5. Atlanta - Jarrett Culver (6'5'', SG, Texas Tech, Soph.)
6. Memphis - Nassir Little (6’6’’, SF, North Carolina, Fresh.)
7. Washington - Rui Hachimura (6’8’’, SF, Gonzaga, Jr.)
8. New Orleans - Romeo Langford (6'6'', SG, Indiana, Fresh.)
9. Atlanta - Bol Bol (7'2'', C, Oregon, Fresh.)
10. Orlando – Keldon Johnson (6’6’’, SG, Kentucky, Fresh.)
11. Miami - DeAndre Hunter (6’7’’, SF, Virginia, Soph.)
12. Minnesota - Brandon Clarke (6'9'', PF, Gonzaga, Jr.)
13. LA Lakers – Jaxson Hayes (6'11'', C, Texas, Fresh.)
14. Boston - Bruno Fernando (6'10'', C, Maryland, Soph.)
15. Detroit - Darius Garland (6'1'', PG, Vanderbilt, Fresh.)
16. Charlotte – Jontay Porter (6'11'', PF, Missouri, Soph.)
17. Brooklyn - KZ Okpala (6'9'', PF, Stanford, Soph.)
18. Boston - Sekou Doumbouya (6'9'', PF, France)
19. San Antonio - Kevin Porter (6'5'', SG, USC, Fresh.)
20. Utah - Coby White (6'5'', PG, North Carolina, Fresh.)
21. Cleveland - Daniel Gafford (6’11’’, C, Arkansas, Soph.)
22. Portland - Louis King (6'8'', SF, Oregon, Fresh.)
23. Philadelphia - Grant Williams (6'7'', PF, Tennessee, Jr.)
24. Boston - Goga Bitadze (6’11’’, C, Georgia)
25. Oklahoma City - PJ Washington (6'8'', PF, Kentucky, Soph.)
26. Indiana - Nickeil Alexander-Walker (6'5'', SG, Virginia Tech, Soph.)
27. Brooklyn - Jalen Lecque (6'4'', SG, High School)
28. Golden State – Jalen Smith (6'10'', PF, Maryland, Fresh.)
29. San Antonio - Deividas Sirvydis (6'8'', SF, Lithuania)
30. Milwaukee - Charles Bassey (6’11’’, C, Western Kentucky, Fresh.)

31. Phoenix - Markus Howard (5'11'', PG, Marquette, Jr.)
32. Brooklyn - Jaylen Hoard (6’8’’, SF, Wake Forest, Fresh.)
33. Philadelphia - Luguentz Dort (6'4'', SG, Arizona State, Fresh.)
34. Philadelphia - Luka Samanic (6'10'', PF, Croatia)
35. Atlanta - Dedric Lawson (6'8'', PF, Kansas, Jr.)
36. Chicago - Ty Jerome (6'5'', SG, Virginia, Jr.)
37. Charlotte - Sagaba Konate (6'8'', PF, West Virginia, Jr.)
38. New Orleans - Nazreon Reid (6'10'', PF, LSU, Fresh.)
39. Dallas - Jalen McDaniels (6'10'', PF, San Diego State, Soph.)
40. Sacramento - Cameron Johnson (6'8'', SF, North Carolina, Sr.)
41. Detroit - Charles Matthews (6'6'', SG, Michigan, Jr.)
42. Minnesota - Caleb Martin (6’6’’, SG, Nevada, Sr.)
43. Atlanta - Darius Bazley (6’9’’, SF, G-League)
44. Sacramento - Shamorie Ponds (5'11'', PG, St. John's, Jr.)
45. Atlanta - Tadas Sedekerskis (6'7'', SF, Lithuania)
46. Orlando - Carsen Edwards (6’1’’, PG, Purdue, Jr.)
47. Philadelphia - Eric Paschall (6’8’’, PF, Villanova, Sr.)
48. LA Clippers - Admiral Schofield (6’6’’, SF, Tennessee, Sr.)
49. San Antonio - Marko Simonovic (6'11'', PF, Montenegro)
50. Utah - Jessie Govan (6'10'', C, Georgetown, Sr.)
51. New York - Austin Wiley (6'10'', C, Auburn, Jr.)
52. LA Clippers - Udoka Azubuike (7'0'', C, Kansas, Jr.)
53. Boston - Paul Eboua (6'7'', SF, Italy)
54. Philadelphia - Aric Holman (6’10’’, PF, Mississippi State, Sr.)
55. Charlotte - Kerwin Roach (6'4'', SG, Texas, Sr.)
56. Indiana - Ethan Happ (6’9’’, PF, Wisconsin, Sr.)
57. New Orleans - Ky Bowman (6’1’’, PG, Boston College, Jr.)
58. Dallas - Tyus Battle (6'6'', SG, Syracuse, Jr.)
59. Toronto - Kostja Mushidi (6’5’’, SG, Belgium)
60. Sacramento - Marial Shayok (6'6'', SG, Iowa State, Sr.)

Why are you so high on Rui?

EvanZ wrote:Why are you so high on Rui?

What's not to like? He's a combo forward who can defend both positions. Can score from multiple levels. Has an NBA ready body and plays hard on both ends. He won't be elite, but that drop off in this draft is after pick 2 or 3. Rui does however have a high likelihood of being a quality starter/rotational player from day one IMO.

Cammo101 wrote:

EvanZ wrote:Why are you so high on Rui?

What's not to like? He's a combo forward who can defend both positions. Can score from multiple levels. Has an NBA ready body and plays hard on both ends. He won't be elite, but that drop off in this draft is after pick 2 or 3. Rui does however have a high likelihood of being a quality starter/rotational player from day one IMO.

There's a lot not to like. I'm not sure he really even defends a single position well enough in the NBA. Not a 3pt shooter or a playmaker. Not a rim protector. Already pretty old. There are very few upperclassmen ever worth taking that high. Most have been disappointments. I don't see it. For me he's mid to late first round. But different strokes, as they say.

What's one, just one thing that grant williams is better at then pj washington

Justwar wrote:What's one, just one thing that grant williams is better at then pj washington

Passing. By a lot.

EvanZ wrote:

Justwar wrote:What's one, just one thing that grant williams is better at then pj washington

Passing. By a lot.

not really. PJ is actually developing into a really good passer. especially on the entry looks.

EvanZ wrote:

Cammo101 wrote:

EvanZ wrote:Why are you so high on Rui?

What's not to like? He's a combo forward who can defend both positions. Can score from multiple levels. Has an NBA ready body and plays hard on both ends. He won't be elite, but that drop off in this draft is after pick 2 or 3. Rui does however have a high likelihood of being a quality starter/rotational player from day one IMO.

There's a lot not to like. I'm not sure he really even defends a single position well enough in the NBA. Not a 3pt shooter or a playmaker. Not a rim protector. Already pretty old. There are very few upperclassmen ever worth taking that high. Most have been disappointments. I don't see it. For me he's mid to late first round. But different strokes, as they say.

He will have to continue to develop his outside shot, but there is no reason to think he can't do so. I think there are plenty of drafts where he'd be a mid-round guy, I just think this is a weak draft that pushes him up my personal board. There are few players in this draft without significant flaws.

EvanZ wrote:

Justwar wrote:What's one, just one thing that grant williams is better at then pj washington

Passing. By a lot.

Passes out of double teams well. Is he gonna be doubled in the nba? Nope.

Justwar wrote:

EvanZ wrote:

Justwar wrote:What's one, just one thing that grant williams is better at then pj washington

Passing. By a lot.

Passes out of double teams well. Is he gonna be doubled in the nba? Nope.

Doesn't matter, he has the skill/vision.

EvanZ wrote:

Justwar wrote:

EvanZ wrote:
Passing. By a lot.

Passes out of double teams well. Is he gonna be doubled in the nba? Nope.

Doesn't matter, he has the skill/vision.

I like both of them at the next level in different roles,with both having pretty high floors.Williams is a better scorer with a higher court awareness, whereas Washington is the better athlete and not far behind

I think as far as what you contribute to the nba in terms of translating, pj is a much better scorer. Grant can't do what he does in the nba. Pj shoots, drives and finishes. Much better shooting.