The Official 2011 Cammo Mock Draft Thread

[Cammo101]

If the Knicks take Markieff Morris, I'll loose it

Why? A rugged big willing to do the dirty work is exactly what NY needs. They had Shawn Williams covering big men last year.

[Curtis Lemansky]

What's your take on Reggie Jackson and Travis Leslie?

[Cammo101]

What's your take on Reggie Jackson and Travis Leslie?

Jackson is a talented tweener who could carve out a Jason Terry type role if the team that picks him is smart enough to not try to force him to be a playmaking PG. I do not see him as a PG at the NBA level. He has some point guard skills, but he is definitely an undersized SG IMO. He has all the tools to be a big time scorer though.

Leslie is another guy who possesses a ton of athleticism, but not nearly the basketball skills to go with it that Jackson has. He is a little taller and more ready to be a SG right out of the gate. The question though is if he has the basketball skill to become a player or if he is the SG version of Stanley Robinson. All athleticism, no basketball. If he can put it all together and continue to improve his skills, he could be a poor man's Dwyane Wade. He is a similar athlete and has a similar body type to Wade and plays with the same kind of hoop attacking abandon. He will need a lot of work though to get to that point. His handle and his shooting need to improve to play SG at the NBA level.

[Sloopy]

Furkan Aldemir said he'll enter the draft next year to improve his game and to be picked at the first round. I only have a Turkish source though.

http://fanatik.ekolay.net/Furkan-NBA-Dr ... 228403.htm

[Cammo101]

Furkan Aldemir said he'll enter the draft next year to improve his game and to be picked at the first round. I only have a Turkish source though.

http://fanatik.ekolay.net/Furkan-NBA-Dr ... 228403.htm

Yeah, I have to update the mock today and get rid of a couple second round Euros who pulled out.

[Curtis Lemansky]

What's your take on Reggie Jackson and Travis Leslie?

Jackson is a talented tweener who could carve out a Jason Terry type role if the team that picks him is smart enough to not try to force him to be a playmaking PG. I do not see him as a PG at the NBA level. He has some point guard skills, but he is definitely an undersized SG IMO. He has all the tools to be a big time scorer though.

Leslie is another guy who possesses a ton of athleticism, but not nearly the basketball skills to go with it that Jackson has. He is a little taller and more ready to be a SG right out of the gate. The question though is if he has the basketball skill to become a player or if he is the SG version of Stanley Robinson. All athleticism, no basketball. If he can put it all together and continue to improve his skills, he could be a poor man's Dwyane Wade. He is a similar athlete and has a similar body type to Wade and plays with the same kind of hoop attacking abandon. He will need a lot of work though to get to that point. His handle and his shooting need to improve to play SG at the NBA level.

Thanks for the info, both are projected to be late 1sts-early 2nds with Jackson having a chance to go in early 20's. Right?

[Cammo101]

What's your take on Reggie Jackson and Travis Leslie?

Jackson is a talented tweener who could carve out a Jason Terry type role if the team that picks him is smart enough to not try to force him to be a playmaking PG. I do not see him as a PG at the NBA level. He has some point guard skills, but he is definitely an undersized SG IMO. He has all the tools to be a big time scorer though.

Leslie is another guy who possesses a ton of athleticism, but not nearly the basketball skills to go with it that Jackson has. He is a little taller and more ready to be a SG right out of the gate. The question though is if he has the basketball skill to become a player or if he is the SG version of Stanley Robinson. All athleticism, no basketball. If he can put it all together and continue to improve his skills, he could be a poor man's Dwyane Wade. He is a similar athlete and has a similar body type to Wade and plays with the same kind of hoop attacking abandon. He will need a lot of work though to get to that point. His handle and his shooting need to improve to play SG at the NBA level.

Thanks for the info, both are projected to be late 1sts-early 2nds with Jackson having a chance to go in early 20's. Right?

I'd say both will go somewhere between 25 and 40.

[Kirsten19]

Cammo, since Biyombi is recently measured at 6'8.31" without shoes and thats the same height as Amare Stoudemire, Blake Griffin n Al Jefferson's barefoot, will he be better to list him at 6'10" instead?

Kevin Love who's 6'7.75" barefoot is listed at 6'10"; Tyrus Thomas is 6'7.25" barefoot is listed at 6'10"; Turiaf who's 6'8" barefoot and Chris Wilcox who's 6'8.25" barefoot are both listed at 6'10". In fact Biyombo's height in shoes is 6'9.6" which is pretty close(less than 1cm) to 6'10"

[Cammo101]

2011 Big Board (With Tiers)


Tier 1: Star Potential

1. Kyrie Irving (6'2'', PG, Duke, Fresh.)
2. Derrick Williams (6'9'', SF, Arizona, Soph.)


Tier 2: Very Good NBA Starters

3. Enes Kanter (6'11'', C, Turkey)
4. Jonas Valanciunas (6'10'', C, Lithuania)
5. Alec Burks (6'6'', SG, Colorado, Soph.)
6. Brandon Knight (6'3'', PG, Kentucky, Fresh.)
7. Bismack Biyombo (6'9'', PF, Congo)
8. Jan Vesely (6'11'', SF, Czech Republic)


Tier 3: Good NBA Starters

9. Kemba Walker (6'0'', PG, UConn, Jr.)
10. Tristan Thompson (6'9'', PF, Texas, Fresh.)
11. Klay Thompson (6'6'', SG, Washington State, Jr.)
12. Kawhi Leonard (6'7'', SF, San Diego State, Soph.)
13. Marshon Brooks (6'5'', SG, Providence, Sr.)
14. Jimmer Fredette (6'2'', PG, BYU, Sr.)
15. Marcus Morris (6'9'', PF, Kansas, Jr.)


Tier 4: Solid NBA Role Players

16. Chris Singleton (6'8'', SF, Florida State, Jr.)
17. Donatas Motiejunas (7'0'', PF, Lithuania)
18. Jordan Hamilton (6'7'', SF, Texas, Soph.)
19. Markieff Morris (6'9'', PF, Kansas, Jr.)


Tier 5: Potential Starters (But, With Risk)

20. Tobias Harris (6'8'', SF, Tennessee, Fresh.)
21. Davis Bertans (6'10'', SF, Latvia)
22. Tyler Honeycutt (6'8'', SF, UCLA, Soph.)
23. Darius Morris (6'4'', PG, Michigan, Soph.)
24. Reggie Jackson (6'3'', SG, Boston College, Jr.)


Tier 6: Solid Rotation Players

25. Nikola Vucevic (7'0'', C, USC, Jr.)
26. Kenneth Faried (6'8'', PF, Morehead State, Sr.)
27. Travis Leslie (6'4'', SG, Georgia, Jr.)
28. Justin Harper (6'10'', PF, Richmond, Sr.)
29. Iman Shumpert (6'5'', PG, Georgia Tech, Jr.)
30. Keith Benson (6'11'', C, Oakland, Sr.)
31. JaJuan Johnson (6'10'', PF, Purdue, Sr.)


Tier 7: Possible Rotation Players (Eventually)

32. Josh Selby (6'2'', SG, Kansas, Fresh.)
33. Norris Cole (6'2'', PG, Cleveland State, Sr.)
34. Cory Joseph (6'3'', PG, Texas, Fresh.)
35. Jordan Williams (6'10'', C, Maryland, Soph.)
36. Malcolm Lee (6'5'', SG, UCLA, Jr.)
37. Kyle Singler (6'9'', SF, Duke, Sr.)
38. Jeremy Tyler (6'10'', C, USA)
39. Trey Thompkins (6'9'', PF, Georgia, Jr.)
40. Nolan Smith (6'3'', PG, Duke, Sr.)
41. Jereme Richmond (6'7'', SF, Illinois, Fresh.)
42. Scottie Hopson (6'7'', SF, Tennessee, Jr.)
43. Charles Jenkins (6'3'', SG, Hofstra, Sr.)
44. Nikola Mirotic (6'10'', PF, Montenegro)
45. Jimmy Butler (6'7'', SF, Marquette, Sr.)
46. Shelvin Mack (6'2'', PG, Butler, Jr.)
47. Jon Leuer (6'10'', PF, Wisconsin, Sr.)
48. Andrew Goudelock (6'3'', PG, College of Charleston, Sr.)
49. Greg Smith (6'10'', C, Fresno State, Soph.)
50. Jamie Skeen (6'9'', PF, VCU, Sr.)

http://www.nbadraftguru.blogspot.com

[Kirsten19]

Not sure about Vesely. I doubt he'll have any impact on the defensive n offesive end in NBa. too skinny and his offensive skill s are too raw. He pretty much depends entriely on ahtleticism, that doesnt work in NBA. especially at SF

Keith Benson higher than Jeremy Tyler??

[Warspite]

Not sure about Vesely. I doubt he'll have any impact on the defensive n offesive end in NBa. too skinny and his offensive skill s are too raw. He pretty much depends entriely on ahtleticism, that doesnt work in NBA. especially at SF

Keith Benson higher than Jeremy Tyler??

Turn around fade away from either shoulder
Up and under McHale move
Dream Shake
Mid range jumper

Thats too raw?

6'11" 245lbs is just not skinny IMHO. I just dont see Vesely as a SF in his prime. Maybe in his early 20s but he plays much more like Kevin McHale or Shawn Kemp than Pippen and Mullin.

[Cammo101]

6/18/11

1. Cleveland - Kyrie Irving (6'2'', PG, Duke, Fresh.)
2. Minnesota - Derrick Williams (6'9'', SF, Arizona, Soph.)
3. Utah - Brandon Knight (6'3'', PG, Kentucky, Fresh.)
4. Cleveland - Enes Kanter (6'11'', C, Turkey)
5. Toronto - Kemba Walker (6'0'', PG, UConn, Jr.)
6. Washington - Jan Vesely (6'11'', SF, Czech Republic)
7. Sacramento - Kawhi Leonard (6'7'', SF, San Diego State, Soph.)
8. Detroit - Jonas Valanciunas (6'10'', C, Lithuania)
9. Charlotte - Bismack Biyombo (6'9'', PF, Congo)
10. Milwaukee - Marcus Morris (6'9'', PF, Kansas, Jr.)
11. Golden State - Klay Thompson (6'6'', SG, Washington State, Jr.)
12. Utah - Chris Singleton (6'8'', SF, Florida State, Jr.)
13. Phoenix - Jimmer Fredette (6'2'', PG, BYU, Sr.)
14. Houston - Alec Burks (6'6'', SG, Colorado, Soph.)
15. Indiana - Marshon Brooks (6'5'', SG, Providence, Sr.)
16. Philadelphia - Tristan Thompson (6'9'', PF, Texas, Fresh.)
17. New York - Iman Shumpert (6'5'', PG, Georgia Tech, Jr.)
18. Washington - Markieff Morris (6'9'', PF, Kansas, Jr.)
19. Charlotte - Jordan Hamilton (6'7'', SF, Texas, Soph.)
20. Minnesota - Donatas Motiejunas (7'0'', PF, Lithuania)
21. Portland - Nikola Vucevic (7'0'', C, USC, Jr.)
22. Denver - Tobias Harris (6'8'', SF, Tennessee, Fresh.)
23. Houston - Darius Morris (6'4'', PG, Michigan, Soph.)
24. Oklahoma City - Tyler Honeycutt (6'8'', SF, UCLA, Soph.)
25. Boston - Jeremy Tyler (6'10'', C, USA)
26. Dallas - Davis Bertans (6'10'', SF, Latvia)
27. New Jersey - Reggie Jackson (6'3'', SG, Boston College, Jr.)
28. Chicago - Justin Harper (6'10'', PF, Richmond, Sr.)
29. San Antonio - Kenneth Faried (6'8'', PF, Morehead State, Sr.)
30. Chicago - Travis Leslie (6'4'', SG, Georgia, Jr.)

31. Miami - JaJuan Johnson (6'10'', PF, Purdue, Sr.)
32. Cleveland - Trey Thompkins (6'9'', PF, Georgia, Jr.)
33. Detroit - Josh Selby (6'2'', SG, Kansas, Fresh.)
34. Washington - Malcolm Lee (6'5'', SG, UCLA, Jr.)
35. New Jersey - Kyle Singler (6'9'', SF, Duke, Sr.)
36. Sacramento - Nolan Smith (6'3'', PG, Duke, Sr.)
37. LA Clippers - Keith Benson (6'11'', C, Oakland, Sr.)
38. Houston - Jordan Williams (6'10'', C, Maryland, Soph.)
39. Charlotte - Norris Cole (6'2'', PG, Cleveland State, Sr.)
40. Milwaukee - Jimmy Butler (6'7'', SF, Marquette, Sr.)
41. LA Lakers - Nikola Mirotic (6'10'', PF, Montenegro)
42. Indiana - Cory Joseph (6'3'', PG, Texas, Fresh.)
43. Chicago - Charles Jenkins (6'3'', SG, Hofstra, Sr.)
44. Golden State - Jon Leuer (6'10'', PF, Wisconsin, Sr.)
45. New Orleans - Scottie Hopson (6'7'', SF, Tennessee, Jr.)
46. LA Lakers - Andrew Goudelock (6'3'', PG, College of Charleston, Sr.)
47. LA Clippers - Jereme Richmond (6'7'', SF, Illinois, Fresh.)
48. Atlanta - Greg Smith (6'10'', C, Fresno State, Soph.)
49. Memphis - DeAndre Liggins (6'6'', SG, Kentucky, Jr.)
50. Philadelphia - Chandler Parsons (6'8'', SF, Florida, Sr.)
51. Portland - Shelvin Mack (6'2'', PG, Butler, Jr.)
52. Detroit - Bojan Bogdanovic (6'7'', SF, Croatia)
53. Orlando - Diante Garrett (6'4'', PG, Iowa State, Sr.)
54. Cleveland - Justin Holiday (6'6'', SF, Washington, Sr.)
55. Boston - Jamie Skeen (6'9'', PF, VCU, Sr.)
56. LA Lakers - Julyan Stone (6'7'', PG, UTEP, Sr.)
57. Dallas - Michael Dunigan (6'10'', C, USA)
58. LA Lakers - Malcolm Thomas (6'9'', PF, San Diego State, Sr.)
59. San Antonio - Isaiah Thomas (5'10'', PG, Washington, Jr.)
60. Sacramento - E'Twaun Moore (6'4'', SG, Purdue, Sr.)

http://www.nbadraftguru.blogspot.com

[RTM]

I'm surprised to see Jenkins so low. As far as I have been able to gather, he's considered a better prospect by most than guys like Selby, Joseph and even Norris and Smith. I would love to see Detroit grab him instead of the malcontent Selby at 33.

I'm starting to feel like it would be a mistake for Vernon Macklin not to get drafted. I think he's a guy that could actually make an NBA roster and have a shot at contributing.

I think the Kings would grab Jimmer over Leonard, and I'd say if Detroit passes on him, Biyombo's best chance is at 11, but that's just my 2 cents.

[Cammo101]

I'm surprised to see Jenkins so low. As far as I have been able to gather, he's considered a better prospect by most than guys like Selby, Joseph and even Norris and Smith. I would love to see Detroit grab him instead of the malcontent Selby at 33.

I'm starting to feel like it would be a mistake for Vernon Macklin not to get drafted. I think he's a guy that could actually make an NBA roster and have a shot at contributing.

I think the Kings would grab Jimmer over Leonard, and I'd say if Detroit passes on him, Biyombo's best chance is at 11, but that's just my 2 cents.

I don't totally disagree with anything you have said here. The undersized SG's in the late first, early second are pretty much interchangeable. It will be a case of beauty being in the eye of the beholder with these guys.

I'd take Macklin over ahandful of guys I currently have mocked, but I am not so sure he would actually make a team.

Sacramento will take Kemba, Jimmer, or Kawhi. Which is a big mystery.

[KAHN_SWITCH]

Cammo, I just saw Andy Katz on Sportscenter state that there is a real chance that Cleveland selects Williams with the #1... I know there is always a chance for everything, but do you see it happening? It would put Minny in a bad situation imo..