EMG's Mock Lottery

[EMG518]

Most international prospects have been left off my big board due to not having seen them play yet.

Big Board v1.0




1.Jahlil Okafor
2.Emmanuel Mudiay
3.Kristaps Porzingis
4.Karl Towns
5.Cameron Payne
6.Mario Hezonja
7.Stanley Johnson
8.Willie Cauley-Stein
9.Justise Winslow
10.Kris Dunn
11.D'Angelo Russell
12.Jacob Poetl
13.Kelly Oubre
14.Trey Lyles
15.Delon Wright
16.Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
17.Bobby Portis
18.Frank Kaminsky
19.Robert Upshaw
20.Myles Turner
21.Jordan Mickey
22.Demetrius Jackson
23.Jarrell Martin
24.Sam Decker
25.Justin Anderson
26.Cliff Alexander
27.Jerian Grant
28.Kevon Looney
29.Devin Booker
30.Terry Rozier

When I saw Russell at 11, you lost all credibility with me...don't have to read any more of your mocks....

You never had to read any to begin with but most do so for enjoyment. As far as the rankings, these guys are not all going to meet expectations, it never happens. Every year there are a bunch of guys ranked wrong by the consensus and considered misses. You would do best to figure out which ones are instead of just assuming that these tiers of rankings by the consensus are right. What ever credibility I had I guess will either remain lost or possibly regained in the future. Yet to be seen.

[ColdBlooded]

EMG, i don't mind your ballsy stance. Its cool, but at least provide some reasoning so people can understand your point of view.


Mind explaining why the drop with DRuss? Probably the first mock i've seen without him in the top-5.

[EMG518]

EMG, i don't mind your ballsy stance. Its cool, but at least provide some reasoning so people can understand your point of view.


Mind explaining why the drop with DRuss? Probably the first mock i've seen without him in the top-5.

This was my big board, not a mock. The prior ones were mocks. That is why he is lower. If I was to do another mock he would be higher than on my big board currently.

[EMG518]

Just posted my first big board pretty recently which was really just an initial post. This is a closer representation of my big board after taking some more time. Most international players were not included due to the limited exposure I have had.

Big Board v1.1




1.Jahlil Okafor
2.Emmanuel Mudiay
3.Kristaps Porzingis
4.Mario Hezonja
5.Cameron Payne
6.Kris Dunn
7.Stanley Johnson
8.Justise Winslow
9.Karl Towns
10.Willie Cauley-Stein
11.D'Angelo Russell
12.Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
13.Christian Wood
14.Robert Upshaw
15.Jacob Poetl
16.Frank Kaminsky
17.Justin Anderson
18.Kelly Oubre
19.Myles Turner
20.Terry Rozier
21.Delon Wright
22.Sam Decker
23.Jarrell Martin
24.Kevon Looney
25.Trey Lyles
26.Jerian Grant
27.Cliff Alexanader
28.Jordan Mickey
29.Bobby Portis
30.Demetrius Jackson

[Dinai]

Karl Towns at 9? Are you serious?

[EMG518]

Karl Towns at 9? Are you serious?

Yea, I am. Not seeing a number 1 pick when watching him. At the moment, to me he really isnt athletic compared to other centers in the league. He has one move in the post which isnt a reliable move to go to in the NBA right now, a developing jumper which is the one thing I think will be solid offensively for him. He should be a good passer. I think he reacts a bit slow though to everything going on. Defensively I dont think he is anywhere near what people think he is. I think he will have trouble guarding bigs and staying out of foul trouble. That is just me though. If I wind up being wrong well I will reassess my opinion on him and see what I am judging incorrectly so I can try and not make the same mistake evaluating in the future.

[EMG518]

Put together a full mock for the competition here. Will probably come out with another big board soon, honestly I think most people will be calling me crazy after posting the next one but I will none the less.

Mock V4.0


- Jahlil Okafor
- Emmanuel Mudiay
- D'Angelo Russell
- Karl Towns
- Willie Cauley-Stein
- Justise Winslow
- Mario Hezonja
- Kristaps Porzingis
- Cameron Payne
- Stanley Johnson
- Frank Kaminsky
- Myles Turner
- Trey Lyles
- Devin Booker
- Kelly Oubre
- Christian Wood
- Sam Dekker
- Jerian Grant
- Bobby Portis
- Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
- Tyus Jones
- Justin Anderson
- Montrezl Harrell
- Jordan Mickey
- Kevon Looney
- Timothe Luwawu
- Rashad Vaughn
- Alpha Kaba
-Terry Rozier
- Delon Wright

[EMG518]

People are really going to think I am crazy with this board but just remember none of these guys have stepped on the court yet in an NBA game. There are surprises every year whether it be top talents under achieving or becoming busts or lower ranked players over achieving or becoming stars. The Jury is still out on all of these players.


Big Board v2.0



1.Jahlil Okafor
2.Emmanuel Mudiay
3.Cameron Payne
4.D'Angelo Russell
5.Mario Hezonja
6.Christian Wood
7.Robert Upshaw
8.Kristaps Porzingis
9.Willie Cauley-Stein
10.Timothe Luwawu
11.Alpha Kaba
12.Stanley Johnson
13.Devin Booker
14.Trey Lyles
15.Justise Winslow
16.Karl Towns
17.R.J. Hunter
18.Justin Anderson
19.Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
20.Frank Kaminsky
21.Jerian Grant
22.Jarrell Martin
23.Cedi Osman
24.Terry Rozier
25.Moussa Diagne
26.Kevon Looney
27.Vince Hunter
28.Delon Wright
29.Jordan Mickey
30.Michael Qualls

[EMG518]

This is likely my last update before I post my final mock next week assuming anything changes in the next week.

Mock V5.0


- Karl Towns
- Jahlil Okafor
- Emmanuel Mudiay
- D'Angelo Russell
- Kristaps Porzingis
- Willie Cauley-Stein
- Justise Winslow
- Stanley Johnson
- Mario Hezonja
- Devin Booker
- Cameron Payne
- Myles Turner
- Frank Kaminsky
- R.J. Hunter
- Trey Lyles
- Justin Anderson
- Jarell Martin
- Tyus Jones
- Kelly Oubre
- Jerian Grant
- Sam Dekker
- Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
- Bobby Portis
- Montrezl Harrell
- Delon Wright
- Rashad Vaughn
- Kevon Looney
- Christian Wood
-Terry Rozier
- Richaun Holmes

[EMG518]

Revisting my big boards top 10

1.Jahlil Okafor
2.Emmanuel Mudiay
3.Cameron Payne
4.Devin Booker (13)
5.Stanley Johnson(12)
6.Robert Upshaw (7)
7.Willie Cauley-Stein (9)
8.Mario Hezonja (5)
9.Timothe Luwawu (10)
10.Trey Lyles (14)

The most significant drop from my top 10 was Christian Wood who fell quite a bit, I did not understand why he went undrafted but it became more apparent watching him in summer league. He has a ton of bad habits and likely wont have the mental fortitude to forge a path in the league. Biggest riser was Devin Booker, he has grown on me over the course of the draft process.

[skywalker33]

Karl Towns at 9? Are you serious?

Yea, I am. Not seeing a number 1 pick when watching him. At the moment, to me he really isnt athletic compared to other centers in the league. He has one move in the post which isnt a reliable move to go to in the NBA right now, a developing jumper which is the one thing I think will be solid offensively for him. He should be a good passer. I think he reacts a bit slow though to everything going on. Defensively I dont think he is anywhere near what people think he is. I think he will have trouble guarding bigs and staying out of foul trouble. That is just me though. If I wind up being wrong well I will reassess my opinion on him and see what I am judging incorrectly so I can try and not make the same mistake evaluating in the future.

So, this says a lot about your talent evaluations if you saw KAT that low

Looking back at the drastic changes between your May 28 and Jun 17 "Big Boards" also really make me pay less attention, hard to take you seriously if you can't even stay with your own convictions.

[EMG518]

Karl Towns at 9? Are you serious?

Yea, I am. Not seeing a number 1 pick when watching him. At the moment, to me he really isnt athletic compared to other centers in the league. He has one move in the post which isnt a reliable move to go to in the NBA right now, a developing jumper which is the one thing I think will be solid offensively for him. He should be a good passer. I think he reacts a bit slow though to everything going on. Defensively I dont think he is anywhere near what people think he is. I think he will have trouble guarding bigs and staying out of foul trouble. That is just me though. If I wind up being wrong well I will reassess my opinion on him and see what I am judging incorrectly so I can try and not make the same mistake evaluating in the future.

So, this says a lot about your talent evaluations if you saw KAT that low

Looking back at the drastic changes between your May 28 and Jun 17 "Big Boards" also really make me pay less attention, hard to take you seriously if you can't even stay with your own convictions.

Im trying to think about how I want to respond and I think I decided I will just be blunt, I still see KAT the exact same way and if im wrong in a couple of years then I am wrong and will look back and try and figure out what I was or wasnt seeing and how it translated. There have been plenty of top pick whom havent panned out so not really sure where you get off making a judgement that im wrong before it has even been decided. We wont know for a couple of years.

As far as big boards, May 28th was my last big board, I only posted 2 the whole draft season and just a couple of weeks ago posted a slightly different top 10 after some things came to light for me. So youre getting mock drafts and big boards mixed up, they arent the same thing.

Honestly though I am not surprised you would say something like that as you cant seem to understand the difference between a mock and a big board, just look at my 2016 mock thread and it is littered with your posts claiming it is a big board when I said multiple times it was a mock. It is hard to take you serious when you cant even understand the difference, especially when it is labeled mock and big board.

[skywalker33]

Wikipedia refers this to a mock draft as this:

"Mock draft is a term used by sports websites and magazines in reference to a simulation of a sports league draft or fantasy sports league's draft."

"A Big Board" is a list of ranked players available for selection within a sports draft."

You say I have some confusion over the difference between a mock draft and a big board,

viewtopic.php?f=38&t=1395490#start_here

yet you CLEARLY state here in this thread you have only TWO mocks (those assigned to teams), while you have a few other big boards within this thread. Seems YOU are the one confused about the differences.

As for judging, I see it as more of an observation based on your projections vs. the actual draft. Hence, when you state that Chrisian Woods was in your top 10 and in reality he didn't even get drafted exemplifies that observation. I do know it takes courage to put together a thread that doesn't follow or leans towards what the PRO's are putting out, but they do have insight that should be useful in your endeavor. But if you want to ignore it, you are just opening yourself up to these types of observations.

[EMG518]

Wikipedia refers this to a mock draft as this:

"Mock draft is a term used by sports websites and magazines in reference to a simulation of a sports league draft or fantasy sports league's draft."

"A Big Board" is a list of ranked players available for selection within a sports draft."

You say I have some confusion over the difference between a mock draft and a big board,

viewtopic.php?f=38&t=1395490#start_here

yet you CLEARLY state here in this thread you have only TWO mocks (those assigned to teams), while you have a few other big boards within this thread. Seems YOU are the one confused about the differences.

As for judging, I see it as more of an observation based on your projections vs. the actual draft. Hence, when you state that Chrisian Woods was in your top 10 and in reality he didn't even get drafted exemplifies that observation. I do know it takes courage to put together a thread that doesn't follow or leans towards what the PRO's are putting out, but they do have insight that should be useful in your endeavor. But if you want to ignore it, you are just opening yourself up to these types of observations.

Please, just stop, it is so ridiculous. I have all my mocks and big boards labeled. They fit in perfectly under the criteria of your wiki definition. You are the one who came in my 2016 mock thread claiming it wasnt a mock, even draftexpress had the exact same format as me. You then came in here and got mixed up between big boards and mocks that were clearly labeled, and are telling me now that I am confused. Its alright, you can just say I made a mistake, my bad, and move on like a mature adult instead of just continuing this charade.

As far as judging, most people had Christian Wood as a 1st rounder, all the mocks had him around that range and it came as a shock he went undrafted to pretty much everyone. I had him top 10 due to upside being higher in my opinion than many of the others ranked behind him. Like I said in my revision, I have him now significantly lower but it has nothing to do with his talent, it has to do with his mental immaturity and poor mental fortitude which was not apparent to me until after the draft watching him in summer league. That is something I now know to be more careful looking at in the future, I disregarded it and it clearly was the reason why he went undrafted. It was not due to the talent, he had the talent of a 1st rounder. See how I took ownership for a mistake I made and learned from it, you should try it.