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Post#101 Re: Possible Arbitration on Bird Rights after
Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:41 pm by d-train

It might be that some waived players claimed off waivers will have option to choose free agency. Maybe Hickson gets full free agency because he didn't get chance to choose
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Post#102 Re: Possible Arbitration on Bird Rights after
Sun Jul 1, 2012 7:10 am by HartfordWhalers

d-train wrote:It might be that some waived players claimed off waivers will have option to choose free agency. Maybe Hickson gets full free agency because he didn't get chance to choose


I don't understand this. None of them got a chance to choose free agency, all were claimed. Either Hickson is early Bird and the settlement cut some difference between the sides, or Hickson is full bird and the settlement was a complete win for the union.

That said, Hickson didn't even have his q/o picked up, so the difference between the two for Hickson won't matter. However, going forward waiver without amnesty is going to be more of an issue then waiver with the one time amnesty for pre-existing contracts, so its potentially not a moot question.
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Post#103 Re: Possible Arbitration on Bird Rights after
Sun Jul 1, 2012 12:28 pm by Dunkenstein

An NBA exec emailed me the following info on Hickson:
"As part of the settlement, Hickson was awarded what the arbitrator initially
ruled. Then going forward for future free agent classes, the new rules of
the settlement overwrite the initial ruling. So that's how Hickson was
granted full Bird rights over and above the settlement."
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Post#104 Re: Possible Arbitration on Bird Rights after
Sun Jul 1, 2012 12:39 pm by HartfordWhalers

Dunkenstein wrote:An NBA exec emailed me the following info on Hickson:
"As part of the settlement, Hickson was awarded what the arbitrator initially
ruled. Then going forward for future free agent classes, the new rules of
the settlement overwrite the initial ruling. So that's how Hickson was
granted full Bird rights over and above the settlement."


Awesome to get that info, thanks!!!
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Post#105 Re: Possible Arbitration on Bird Rights after
Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:49 am by Garf

Silly question: so the Knicks now must be able to match every theoretical offer for Lin with the Early Bird Exception? Arenas still applies? What would be the max contract?

To my understanding, it's:
average salary
average salary + 4.5%
13.67M + 4.5% + 4.5%
13.67M + 4.5% + 4.5% + 4.5% (e.g. as a Player Option, to make it even more attractive)

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Post#106 Re: Possible Arbitration on Bird Rights after
Fri Jul 13, 2012 5:53 pm by Dunkenstein

Garf wrote:Silly question: so the Knicks now must be able to match every theoretical offer for Lin with the Early Bird Exception? Arenas still applies? What would be the max contract?

The first-year salary of an offer sheet cannot be greater than the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, which this year is $5M. The original team can use either the NTMLE (if available) or the EBE to match.

The second-year salary equals the first-year salary plus 4.5%.

Today Houston offered Lin $5M in the first year and $5.225M in year two.

The third-year salary is limited by the maximum amount that the player would have been eligible to receive in that year. Since Lin was offered $14.898M, I'll assume that's what the league determined his maximum salary would be in 2014-15.

The CBA says that the players salary for any subsequent year can increase by no more than 4.1% of the third-year salary. Therefore, the most Lin could have been offered in year four would have been $15,508M.

That of course assumes that team offering Lin a max offer sheet has $10,158M in available cap room this year, the average of the $40,631M total of the four-year max offer sheet.
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Post#107 Re: Possible Arbitration on Bird Rights after
Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:42 am by Garf

Dunkenstein wrote:The first-year salary of an offer sheet cannot be greater than the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, which this year is $5M. The original team can use either the NTMLE (if available) or the EBE to match.


Then what did the arbitration change? Only introduced an alternative way of matching, allowing the Knicks to become a tax-paying team by signing a couple of 50-year-olds to massive contracts?

Dunkenstein wrote:The third-year salary is limited by the maximum amount that the player would have been eligible to receive in that year. Since Lin was offered $14.898M, I'll assume that's what the league determined his maximum salary would be in 2014-15.


I think you're wrong and it's maximum year 3 salary (the he could have gotten if it wasn't for Arenas) plus two raises. Compare with Asik.
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Post#108 Re: Possible Arbitration on Bird Rights after
Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:11 am by DBoys

Garf wrote:
I think you're wrong and it's maximum year 3 salary (the he could have gotten if it wasn't for Arenas) plus two raises. Compare with Asik.


You're probably saying the same thing with Dunkenstein, and vice versa.

If 13.67 is the rounded off version of a max salary in year 1, then the max possible offer for yr 3 is the max he would have otherwise gotten if no restrictions were in place - ie, 13.67 + 9%, or 14.9.

Or, if being more precise, 13,668,750 x 1.09 = 14,898,937.

Dunkenstein is correct in noting that year 4 limit is a 4.1% raise over year 3 (15,509,793) rather than a 13.5% raise over the year 1 max of 13,668,750 (15,514,031).
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Post#109 Re: Possible Arbitration on Bird Rights after
Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:14 am by DBoys

Garf wrote:
Dunkenstein wrote:The first-year salary of an offer sheet cannot be greater than the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, which this year is $5M. The original team can use either the NTMLE (if available) or the EBE to match.


Then what did the arbitration change?


The arbitration had nothing to do with the allowable size of an offer sheet. It had to do with what cap exception a team has available to re-sign a player they claim from waivers (or amnesty-waivers).
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Post#110 Re: Possible Arbitration on Bird Rights after
Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:38 am by Three34

Garf wrote:
Dunkenstein wrote:The first-year salary of an offer sheet cannot be greater than the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, which this year is $5M. The original team can use either the NTMLE (if available) or the EBE to match.


Then what did the arbitration change? Only introduced an alternative way of matching, allowing the Knicks to become a tax-paying team by signing a couple of 50-year-olds to massive contracts?


Pretty much. Lucky them. The arbitration did however have a very significant impact re: Steve Novak, who got $15 million whereas he would have otherwise only been able to get pittance.
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Post#111 Re: Possible Arbitration on Bird Rights after
Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:00 am by Garf

Sham wrote:Pretty much. Lucky them. The arbitration did however have a very significant impact re: Steve Novak, who got $15 million whereas he would have otherwise only been able to get pittance.


I know, right?

Btw, are you by any chance THE Sham of ShamSports.com?
If so, I'm a fan! Your work is amazing! Especially the alternative name for the Pistons :P
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Post#112 Re: Possible Arbitration on Bird Rights after
Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:29 pm by Three34

Yeah I am. Are you Gar Forman?
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Post#113 Re: Possible Arbitration on Bird Rights after
Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:39 am by Garf

No no, my name is Daniel and I'm just a random guy doing enough nerdy stuff online (like this mathematical experiment my signature links to) to acknowledge and appreciate the amount of work maintaining your site must cost you! Thanks for that!
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Post#114 Re: Possible Arbitration on Bird Rights after
Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:20 pm by Three34

I knew you were Gar Forman. Hey Gar!
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Post#115 Re: Possible Arbitration on Bird Rights after
Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:42 am by Dunkenstein

He's not Gar Forman. And I should know. I'm John Paxson. Or is it Jim Paxson. All I know is that I'm one of them. I'm so confused.
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Post#116 Re: Possible Arbitration on Bird Rights after
Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:56 am by Garf

Sham wrote:I knew you were Gar Forman. Hey Gar!


Well, this is funny, I'm not sure how to prove I'm not someone I've never even heard of :)
Anyway, Garf is short from Garfield, my cartoony role model.
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Post#117 Re: Possible Arbitration on Bird Rights after
Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:23 am by Three34

He's the GM of the Bulls. But you already know this because YOU ARE HIM.
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