Andrew Wiggins - can he force his way to the Raptors?

[Scoot McGroot]

Wiretap just posted a story that Wiggins will likely sign a $140-180 million endorsement deal for 10 years. As I said, he'll be set the day he announces for the draft. If Yi Jianlian can force a team to trade him Andrew Wiggins can absolutely force a team to trade him.

Go ahead and plan on it. Put all your eggs in that basket. Count on it as fact.

Good luck.


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[Damon_3388]

Presumably this is how Xavier Henry got the Grizz to up his offer by holding out for the full 120%...that and having Arn Tellem as your agent.

Lol, Soulja Boy Tellem.

[mup]

Wiretap just posted a story that Wiggins will likely sign a $140-180 million endorsement deal for 10 years. As I said, he'll be set the day he announces for the draft. If Yi Jianlian can force a team to trade him Andrew Wiggins can absolutely force a team to trade him.

If such an endorsement deal exists, I guarantee it has a clause that says he has to play in the NBA to get the money. You think Nike or whomever is gonna shell out 9 figures to some kid playing in Istanbul?

[Quake Griffin]

the fact that the only way to the NBA is by entering the NBA draft first should be challenged by someone as a violation of the antitrust laws.

would be interesting to see how it would turn out.

[DBoys]

the fact that the only way to the NBA is by entering the NBA draft first should be challenged by someone as a violation of the antitrust laws.

would be interesting to see how it would turn out.

No chance. It is exempt from antitrust challenge since it's a product of a collective bargaining agreement negotiated by employees (players) and owners.

[Quake Griffin]

the fact that the only way to the NBA is by entering the NBA draft first should be challenged by someone as a violation of the antitrust laws.

would be interesting to see how it would turn out.

No chance. It is exempt from antitrust challenge since it's a product of a collective bargaining agreement negotiated by employees (players) and owners.

If they reach impasse at the next CBA negotiation and the players decertify its possible.

[Scoot McGroot]

the fact that the only way to the NBA is by entering the NBA draft first should be challenged by someone as a violation of the antitrust laws.

would be interesting to see how it would turn out.

No chance. It is exempt from antitrust challenge since it's a product of a collective bargaining agreement negotiated by employees (players) and owners.

If they reach impasse at the next CBA negotiation and the players decertify its possible.

Probably not since past history has shown that decertification is merely a short term tactic to enable a deal and immediate decertification.

[DBoys]

the fact that the only way to the NBA is by entering the NBA draft first should be challenged by someone as a violation of the antitrust laws.

would be interesting to see how it would turn out.

No chance. It is exempt from antitrust challenge since it's a product of a collective bargaining agreement negotiated by employees (players) and owners.

If they reach impasse at the next CBA negotiation and the players decertify its possible.

Is the NBA operating a draft without a CBA in place? Nope. So your idea that the draft "should be challenged" is asking someone to waste their time and money.

End of story.

[Quake Griffin]

there's no need for an argumentative tone at all.

somebody should challenge it eventually...given the proper time and opportunity.

[DBoys]

there's no need for an argumentative tone at all.

somebody should challenge it eventually...given the proper time and opportunity.

Why "should" they challenge it? To destroy the goose that is laying the golden eggs? That's pure absurdity.

The implication that a challenge to the draft is just waiting for a moment of convenience, is not at all insightful. The legal principles under which a draft is allowed, or not allowed, have existed for many years (20 years? more?) and yet we still have a draft. The league has gone through plenty of transitions, lots of CBA negotiations, and yet the draft still goes on without missing a turn.

It's not by accident.

It's due to very careful negotiating by owners and players who have a huge financial pie they don't want to destroy. When they don't have a CBA in place, do they conduct a draft? Of course not. Instead they get a new CBA done first. Any thought that they'll suddenly lose their minds at some point in the future and tear it all down (ie, not have a CBA) in order to remove the ability to have the talent-balancing (and hope-bestowing) mechanism of the draft is silly.

[MarkDeeks]

The whole franchise/collegiate system and draft thing is kind of messed up when you think about it, though. But hey ho.

[Damon_3388]

the fact that the only way to the NBA is by entering the NBA draft first should be challenged by someone as a violation of the antitrust laws.

would be interesting to see how it would turn out.

Players can always be signed and enter the league as free agents. Plenty of NBA rookie free agents each year, from both the US and overseas. Just have to be at least 19 years old and/or one year removed from high school.

[DBoys]

the fact that the only way to the NBA is by entering the NBA draft first should be challenged by someone as a violation of the antitrust laws.

would be interesting to see how it would turn out.

Players can always be signed and enter the league as free agents. Plenty of NBA rookie free agents each year, from both the US and overseas. Just have to be at least 19 years old and/or one year removed from high school.

In a very simplified explanation ...

FYI no player can sign with a team in the NBA, including a signing as a free agent, without first having gone through at least one NBA draft. In fact, the technical name of the draft is The NBA Player Entry Draft, a name which describes its function.

They go through the process of being able to be drafted that one time, the 60 that are drafted each year are subject to the rights rules that apply to draftees, and the unpicked leftovers can negotiate to sign with any team as a free agent.

[Damon_3388]

In a very simplified explanation ...

FYI no player can sign with a team in the NBA, including a signing as a free agent, without first having gone through at least one NBA draft. In fact, the technical name of the draft is The NBA Player Entry Draft, a name which describes its function.

They go through the process of being able to be drafted that one time, the 60 that are drafted each year are subject to the rights rules that apply to draftees, and the unpicked leftovers can negotiate to sign with any team as a free agent.

I'm failing to see the problem...

[DBoys]

In a very simplified explanation ...

FYI no player can sign with a team in the NBA, including a signing as a free agent, without first having gone through at least one NBA draft. In fact, the technical name of the draft is The NBA Player Entry Draft, a name which describes its function.

They go through the process of being able to be drafted that one time, the 60 that are drafted each year are subject to the rights rules that apply to draftees, and the unpicked leftovers can negotiate to sign with any team as a free agent.

I'm failing to see the problem...

You made the statement that "Players can always be signed and enter the league as free agents" and "always" is simply not correct.

A player who has never been signed by any NBA team can only sign as a free agent after they have first given teams a chance to draft them by being eligible for and going through the draft. That is always the case.

If they are selected, they are not a free agent and can only sign their initial contract with the one team that drafted them; but if not selected, then they can sign their first NBA deal with any NBA team and at any time thereafter as a free agent.

[The preceding is the simplified and normal process. There are unusual exceptions, under which a draftee might have to go through the draft more than once, or might be able to sign as a free agent after being drafted but without ever signing with the team that drafted him. But those exceptions occur very rarely.]

[Damon_3388]

In a very simplified explanation ...

FYI no player can sign with a team in the NBA, including a signing as a free agent, without first having gone through at least one NBA draft. In fact, the technical name of the draft is The NBA Player Entry Draft, a name which describes its function.

They go through the process of being able to be drafted that one time, the 60 that are drafted each year are subject to the rights rules that apply to draftees, and the unpicked leftovers can negotiate to sign with any team as a free agent.

I'm failing to see the problem...

You made the statement that "Players can always be signed and enter the league as free agents" and "always" is simply not correct.

A player who has never been signed by any NBA team can only sign as a free agent after they have first given teams a chance to draft them by being eligible for and going through the draft. That is always the case.

If they are selected, they are not a free agent and can only sign their initial contract with the one team that drafted them; but if not selected, then they can sign their first NBA deal with any NBA team and at any time thereafter as a free agent.

[The preceding is the simplified and normal process. There are unusual exceptions, under which a draftee might have to go through the draft more than once, or might be able to sign as a free agent after being drafted but without ever signing with the team that drafted him. But those exceptions occur very rarely.]

I think you're taking the "always" in the sentence too literally. It was simply used as a figure of speech, and could be interchanged with the word "just" or "simply" or "also" in the same context.

If a player isn't good enough to get selected during the draft process, it's possible that at that time they simply might not be good enough to be in the league. However, if they go through a draft process and remain undrafted, teams then have the option of signing them as a free agent if they're good enough. I don't really see how any player is really disadvantaged or "misses out" with the current process.

[DBoys]

I think you're taking the "always" in the sentence too literally. It was simply used as a figure of speech, and could be interchanged with the word "just" or "simply" or "also" in the same context.

Ah, I see. If that's the case, then regard what I wrote as a rule clarification intended for others - for those who might not have recognized that your statement wasn't written to be taken "literally."

[Damon_3388]

I think you're taking the "always" in the sentence too literally. It was simply used as a figure of speech, and could be interchanged with the word "just" or "simply" or "also" in the same context.

Ah, I see. If that's the case, then regard what I wrote as a rule clarification intended for others - for those who might not have recognized that your statement wasn't written to be taken "literally."

Thought by the way it was worded, it was pretty obvious what I meant, but anyway...

[DBoys]

the fact that the only way to the NBA is by entering the NBA draft first should be challenged by someone as a violation of the antitrust laws.

would be interesting to see how it would turn out.

Players can always be signed and enter the league as free agents. Plenty of NBA rookie free agents each year, from both the US and overseas. Just have to be at least 19 years old and/or one year removed from high school.

In light of your clarification just discussed ...what exactly is the point you are trying to make above, in response to QG?

[Damon_3388]

In light of your clarification just discussed ...what exactly is the point you are trying to make above, in response to QG?

As I said, if a player goes through a draft process and remains undrafted, teams then have the option of signing them as a free agent if they're good enough. I don't really see how any player is really disadvantaged or "misses out" with that process. If you're good enough, you make it one way (draft) or another (sign as a free agent).