MeloMax

[ibraheim718]

What does that break down to should he opt out after this season and NY maxes him out?

Thanks.

[Dunkenstein]

Melo can get a five-year, $129 million maximum offer from the Knicks in July, while other teams can offer him a four-year, $96 million deal.

[Durins Baynes]

No way Melo turns down that money.

[ibraheim718]

Melo can get a five-year, $129 million maximum offer from the Knicks in July, while other teams can offer him a four-year, $96 million deal.

You wouldn't happen to know what it breaks down to per year would you? Roughly.

[DBoys]

Melo can get a five-year, $129 million maximum offer from the Knicks in July, while other teams can offer him a four-year, $96 million deal.

You wouldn't happen to know what it breaks down to per year would you? Roughly.

It's easy math with a calculator. His max for the initial year on a contract would be based on the final year of his prior contract (he gets 21,388,954 this season) and would be 105% no matter who he signs with. Max raises would be a percentage of the 1st season of the new contract - signing with the same team (presumably NY) he could get a 7.5% per year increase and a 5 year deal, with a new team 4.5% per year and 4 years.

[Americafkya]

Melo can get a five-year, $129 million maximum offer from the Knicks in July, while other teams can offer him a four-year, $96 million deal.

You wouldn't happen to know what it breaks down to per year would you? Roughly.

It's easy math with a calculator. His max for the initial year on a contract would be based on the final year of his prior contract (he gets 21,388,954 this season) and would be 105% no matter who he signs with. Max raises would be a percentage of the 1st season of the new contract - signing with the same team (presumably NY) he could get a 7.5% per year increase and a 5 year deal, with a new team 4.5% per year and 4 years.

I have a question about this .....

The new CBA was really about getting rid of these crazy big contracts and bringing the max down to something more manageable .... Does this mean that all players with a massive contract are basically grandfathered in and the max contract stipulation doesn't apply to them ? For instance , Melo will be guaranteed 21.5 + 105% for the rest of his career in terms of the max he is allowed to receive ?

Also , what about someone like Kobe? IF the Lakers the hard cap room to sign him , and he wanted max could he get his 30 +105%?

Thanks

[Americafkya]

Also.... Is there an actually # on the max contract ? Like does it say anywhere in the CBA that free agents are allowed to make such n such number ?

[DBoys]

Yes players over the listed max can get more than the max ...if some team can and will pay it. But no guarantee someone will offer it. So next summer Kobe is eligible for a new deal starting at 105% of this year's number.

The CBA has specific guidelines for calculating each player's max salary, based on the cap, their years in the league, their last contract, their free agency situation, and so on. It does not say $___ but rather is always a number derived by applying the proper formula for each player. See Coon's FAQ for an outline of all the details.

[Damon_3388]

Does anyone else think there needs to be some sort of cap or ceiling on how much players can earn on these max deals after, say, the age of 32? Like you can allow them to sign the same deal, but it would need to be front-loaded so that the majority of the earnings still come while they're in their prime, and they're "worth" that money. It seems like the majority of situations where teams are hamstrung by these big contracts occur when a guy has passed his prime, but is still on a big contract they signed when they were 28-29 and were still worth that big money.

[Dunkenstein]

Does anyone else think there needs to be some sort of cap or ceiling on how much players can earn on these max deals after, say, the age of 32?

I don't.

[d-train]

Does anyone else think there needs to be some sort of cap or ceiling on how much players can earn on these max deals after, say, the age of 32? Like you can allow them to sign the same deal, but it would need to be front-loaded so that the majority of the earnings still come while they're in their prime, and they're "worth" that money. It seems like the majority of situations where teams are hamstrung by these big contracts occur when a guy has passed his prime, but is still on a big contract they signed when they were 28-29 and were still worth that big money.

The maximum limit on salary to individual players is the biggest problem with the CBA. I get the argument for having limits on team salaries but the limit on individual player salary completely neutralizes the legitimate benefits of the team salary cap.

[Damon_3388]

The maximum limit on salary to individual players is the biggest problem with the CBA. I get the argument for having limits on team salaries but the limit on individual player salary completely neutralizes the legitimate benefits of the team salary cap.

It's to stop teams being hamstrung by an enormous individual deal, and allow them to afford to fill out a roster. I don't think you can realistically say there are too many guys that deserve to be paid more than the current max anyway.

[d-train]

The maximum limit on salary to individual players is the biggest problem with the CBA. I get the argument for having limits on team salaries but the limit on individual player salary completely neutralizes the legitimate benefits of the team salary cap.

It's to stop teams being hamstrung by an enormous individual deal, and allow them to afford to fill out a roster. I don't think you can realistically say there are too many guys that deserve to be paid more than the current max anyway.

Tell that to the Cavs. The Cavs would have preferred the chance to offer LeBron $35M/year so that the Heat couldn't steal him and 2 other superstars for $14M each. Without the help of the maximum salary, the Heat wouldn't have been able to sign more than 1 of those 3 players. How does the CBA promote competitive balance while enabling a team to sign 3 underpaid superstars because the maximum salary prohibits the best players from earning their true market value?

[Damon_3388]

Tell that to the Cavs. The Cavs would have preferred the chance to offer LeBron $35M/year so that the Heat couldn't steal him and 2 other superstars for $14M each. Without the help of the maximum salary, the Heat wouldn't have been able to sign more than 1 of those 3 players. How does the CBA promote competitive balance while enabling a team to sign 3 underpaid superstars because the maximum salary prohibits the best players from earning their true market value?

So the Cavs sign LeBron for $35m, then they're stuck in the same position that made him leave in reality in the first place, because they're unable to surround him with enough talent to win, because they've only got $23m or so to divide between 11-12 other players. See how it doesn't make sense?

[d-train]

See how it doesn't make sense?

Yeah, I see how easy it is to lead socialist knuckleheads over a cliff.

So the Cavs sign LeBron for $35m, then they're stuck in the same position that made him leave in reality in the first place, because they're unable to surround him with enough talent to win, because they've only got $23m or so to divide between 11-12 other players.

The Cavs would love to be stuck in the situation they were in before they lost LeBron. And, I think LeBron would be happier earning $20+ million per year closer to his true market value. My heart aches for LeBron's overpaid teammates that would get less of the money that should be LeBron's.

I also believe the Cavs would have had an easier time building a talented supporting cast around LeBron if the CBA didn't prevent them from paying LeBron a more equitable salary relative to his value. The Cavs were always under the gun scrambling for short-term fixes and could never take the more practical long-term view that is needed to build a proper team. The Cavs always had to win now or lose LeBron. The CBA made it easier for any team other than the Cavs to build a team around LeBron. The winning plan was to gut a roster of all salary and attract LeBron with the best package of underpaid stars that should be earning more money on their own team.