The legality of the proposed Utah / Cleveland deal

[Hedda Gambler]

Help me out here, CBA experts.

As far as I can tell, Derrick Favors` outoing value will be this years salary - just over 6 million - and incoming value will be just below ten, as it is calculated as an average between this years and the next for years salary. Taking back Jarret Jack will not be enough as Cleveland do not have the cap room to do this before the draft, let alone adding Alec Burks too. If I understand this correctly, more has got to be coming back from CLE to make this deal legal?

[giberish]

As both Cleveland and Utah look to be under the cap next year, they could simply arrange a deal that's agreed to before the draft and only official in July if they can't work around the PPP issues with Favors.

Unlike the frequently proposed but never executed June draft pick + July S&T deals this wouldn't be contingent on anything, just the passing of time (and deals like that have happened before, though not with a #1 overall pick).

[Hedda Gambler]

Wouldn`t Cleveland have to renounce Deng and Hawes first? If I understand this correctly, Cleveland have to add either Waiters/Thompson/Bennet or a combination of two of Gee, Karasev and Zeller to make this work now.

[DBoys]

It would be helpful if you would post the exact details of the rumor that you heard and want to discuss. Lots of stuff is flying around this time of year.

[Hedda Gambler]

It would be helpful if you would post the exact details of the rumor that you heard and want to discuss. Lots of stuff is flying around this time of year.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... erall-Pick

#5
Derrick Favors
Alec Burks or # 23

for

#1
Jarrett Jack

[DBoys]

#5
Derrick Favors
Alec Burks or # 23

for

#1
Jarrett Jack

Easily solved if they want to do that deal. CLE just adds Gee (who can be waived at no cost, once the deal is consummated) to go to Utah. Should work with either variation, Burks or 23.

[Scoot McGroot]

Wouldn`t Cleveland have to renounce Deng and Hawes first?

That's one possibility. Or agree to the deal in principle, have each team draft for the other, and add in Gee and Hopson after the moratorium when Hopson's trade restriction is up. At that point, it can be a straight up deal without technically using cap space to consummate the deal.

[Hedda Gambler]

Wouldn`t Cleveland have to renounce Deng and Hawes first?

That's one possibility. Or agree to the deal in principle, have each team draft for the other, and add in Gee and Hopson after the moratorium when Hopson's trade restriction is up. At that point, it can be a straight up deal without technically using cap space to consummate the deal.

The cap holds come into effect after July 1st? There is a difference of around 1,5 million in salary between #1 and #5 that also needs to be adressed if they decide to do it after this date.

[DBoys]

Wouldn`t Cleveland have to renounce Deng and Hawes first?

That's one possibility. Or agree to the deal in principle, have each team draft for the other, and add in Gee and Hopson after the moratorium when Hopson's trade restriction is up. At that point, it can be a straight up deal without technically using cap space to consummate the deal.

Is there a reason to make it so complex? I don't see the point of drafting for each other, waiting until after the moratorium, having to fiddle with cap space, and all the rest.

You just trade

Favors, Burks, and 23
FOR
Jack, Gee, and 1

It can be a simple, very ordinary swap, done at any time. Just a matter of whether both sides like the value in the deal, really.